1 month long Water Fast

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by metamorph

Your suggestion to use distilled water while the OP has no food intake means: input is H20, output (sweat, urine etc) is water+electrolytes etc. So the OP will essentially deplete himself off those electrolytes which really is not healthy - in fact it is dangerous.

Consider that Dr. Shelton fasted 40,000 to 60,000 patients with distilled water and no supplements and the majority of other fasting experts recommend the same. I myself did 3 recent fasts of 30 days or longer (30+30+36.5)with distilled water only and each with amazing results. I don't think it's as unhealthy or as dangerous as you believe, contrary to what every grain of your common sense is telling you.

Originally Posted by metamorph

If the OP drinks isotonic solutions or mineral water while he does his fast, he can go ahead, but not eating for a month while still doing his job is certainly not healthy.

I'll stand by my position and that of the majority of fasting experts and of Dr. Kennedy that drinking unchelated dissolved rocks in a fast is not the least bit helpful, is most certainly not necessary, and in fact would only prove a hinderance... and that our body will provide the necessary minerals to carry us through the fast from it's substantial nutritional reserves.

Originally Posted by metamorph

The guys that did a hunger strike in prisons did not work, they just sat in their cell, remember.

I agree that the ideal fast is accompanied by rest, though i did walk briskly for 2 hours per day in the first of the three fasts and felt great. Months later i became convinced that a fast with extreme rest accomplishes more so i laid down 23 hours per day in the 2nd and 3rd. Some fasting experts, particularly in Russia advocate 3 hours of walking per day while drinking only (distilled) water. Both types of fasts (resting and active) achieve amazing results, but it becomes a question of "which works the very best?".

I felt strongest during the fast that i did the 2 hours of daily brisk walking, but i believe in the teaching that maximal cleansing and healing takes place in a fast where our level of activity is as light as possible. Often feeling good is a sign that you are doing something right, however, aggressive cleansing can be an unpleasant ordeal and feeling better in this instance (while exercising in a fast instead of resting) is one evidence that the body is cleansing itself at a reduced pace.

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

I'll stand by my position and that of the majority of fasting experts and of Dr. Kennedy that drinking unchelated dissolved rocks in a fast is not the least bit helpful, is most certainly is not necessary, and in fact would only prove a hinderance... and that our body will provide the necessary minerals to carry us through the fast from it's substantial nutritional reserves.

You can do and think what you want. Yet, if you post stuff on here that is potentially harmful, you should be prepared to take some accountability for it, when things go tits up when someone follows your advice. When it comes to medical conditions, people on this forum automatically say sth like "go to your doctor", "I am not a medical expert" or some other disclaimer. But when it comes to fasting or nutrition people are happy to blindly lead others into trouble. Why? It is just as dangerous potentially.

Just because one wacky doctor out there promotes sth, does not mean it is right. There are so many ruthless wackos out there, who abuse their M.D. or Ph.D just to make some money. All of them have some followers. It does not prove anything.

Just remember distilled water is probably the most unnatural thing on earth. It simply does not exist in nature unless man artifically produces it. There is a good reason why it is sold in the aisle with stuff for ironing and washing and not in the food and beverages section.

I will leave it at that.

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by metamorph

Yet, if you post stuff on here that is potentially harmful, you should be prepared to take some accountability for it, when things go tits up when someone follows your advice.

And you should hold yourself to the same standard while you are recommending mineral supplements in a fast against what the vast majority of experts in the field advocate which is distilled water only and nothing else.

Originally Posted by metamorph

When it comes to medical conditions, people on this forum automatically say sth like "go to your doctor", "I am not a medical expert" or some other disclaimer. But when it comes to fasting or nutrition people are happy to blindly lead others into trouble.

I'm not sure how blind it is when it is based entirely on the knowledge and experience of experts in the field and further supported by a substantial amount of personal experience.

Originally Posted by metamorph

There is a good reason why it is sold in the aisle with stuff for ironing and washing and not in the food and beverages section.

Not sure where you are coming from on this point. I don't see distilled water with the motor oil, i see it with the other types of water on the shelves.

Originally Posted by metamorph

Just remember distilled water is probably the most unnatural thing on earth. It simply does not exist in nature unless man artifically produces it.

I had never considered that Rain water and the water in vegetables and fruits was probably the most unnatural thing on earth. Interesting perspective.

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

I had never considered that Rain water and the water in vegetables and fruits was probably the most unnatural thing on earth. Interesting perspective.

That is my point. You do not understand what you are talking about if you think the water in fruits and vegetables is distilled water....

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

And you should hold yourself to the same standard while you are recommending mineral supplements in a fast against what the vast majority of experts in the field advocate which is distilled water only and nothing else.

Usually it is peers in the profession that determine if you are an expert, and not lay followers or the people themselves. I would be really curious to see how many keynote lectures Dr. Kennedy has done in front of medical colleagues at real international academic physiological or gastroenterological conferences. How many of his so called 40000 clients has he followed medically (with blood tests, hormone tests etc) and where are published results in sicentific journals?

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

I had never considered that Rain water and the water in vegetables and fruits was probably the most unnatural thing on earth. Interesting perspective.

Originally Posted by metamorph

That is my point. You do not understand what you are talking about if you think the water in fruits and vegetables is distilled water....

Originally Posted by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond; from their book "Fit for Life"

"When you eat a piece of fruit or a vegetable, you are consuming distilled water. The minerals are taken from the soil, the plant distills them..."

Originally Posted by Paul Bragg; from "Water: The Shocking Truth"

: "If you drink rain water, or the fresh juices of fruits and vegetables, remember that all of this liquid has been distilled by Mother Nature. If you drink rain water or snow water, there are no inorganic minerals in it. It is 100% mineral-free. If you drink fruit and vegetable juices, you are drinking distilled water plus certain nutrients such as fruit sugars, organic minerals and vitamins."

Thus nature distills water through the metabolic functions of the plant.

Originally Posted by Author Unknown

"Found in the plant kingdom is the link for getting mineral into human life the most efficiently. The plants can take in mineral directly. Once in the plant, the minerals become a part of the cell structure after going through a recombining process in the energy cycles of the plant (photosynthesis). These energy cycles convert the mineral into a chelated form. The mineral ends up linked with amino acid complexes in the plants structural tissue. When man eats the plant, the mineral complexes in the plant amino acids can then be easily converted by human enzyme activity into molecular structures on the human frequency."

Rain: The distillation process emulates the process of ocean water (or other surface waters) evaporating leaving impurities behind, collecting in clouds then coming down as rain.

Analogously, with a distiller, tap water is boiled so the impurities are separated from the water as the water becomes steam. This steam rises and is then collected and condensed back into pure liquid form. The impurities remain behind as residue leaving pure h2o. The problem with distilled water in the form of rain is that it travels through the polluted atmosphere, so it will contain more contaminants than water from a distiller.

Originally Posted by metamorph

Usually it is peers in the profession that determine if you are an expert, and not lay followers or the people themselves.

Yeah we can really go around and around with this. Dr. Shelton is widely considered to be a master in the field of fasting among his peers. If you are serious about studying fasting, eventually all roads lead to Dr. Shelton and his work. Ghandi himself sought fasting advice from him. But in the end as in many areas of life where conflicting opinions indeed exist, it really comes down to each individual needing to do their own research and make their own decisions as to what they will believe and what they will choose to do.

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

Thus nature distills water through the metabolic functions of the plant.

As to your sources and quotes: sorry, but this is complete quackery.


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Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

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The problem with distilled water in the form of rain is that it travels through the polluted atmosphere, so it will contain more contaminants than water from a distiller.

I agree with you on that. Yet, the point remains that rain water as you collect it is not pure H20, as you rightly say.

My points about this being unhealthy in a fast that long remain.

I appreciate your good intentions. Can we agree that the OP (being an overweight man doing a quite radical fast) should rather do his fast under the supervision of a doctor than to seek out tipps on forums or pseudo-science books?

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by metamorph

As to your sources and quotes: sorry, but this is complete quackery.

Perhaps you have a quote from what you consider to be a reputable source to contradict this? Your posts have been consistently devoid of any such amenities.

Originally Posted by metamorph

My points about this being unhealthy in a fast that long remain.

And my point remains that inorganic mineral supplements largely unassimilable to our bodies would only make it worse.

Originally Posted by metamorph

I appreciate your good intentions.

Kind and unexpected, thanks. Same to you .

Originally Posted by metamorph

Can we agree that the OP (being an overweight man doing a quite radical fast) should rather do his fast under the supervision of a doctor than to seek out tipps on forums or pseudo-science books?

To absolutely minimize his risk Samson could undergo supervision from a fasting expert, yes, but this is his decision to make. It's not something i chose to do over my 3 long fasts, though i did monitor my vitals every day. This is not to say i am recommending the same for Samson... again, that's entirely up to him.

As to seeking tips on the forum, you have to keep in mind that you are offering them too.

As to your opinion of what pseudo science is and what is not, i think you would be doing yourself a big favor to take a deeper look into the benefits of fasting with an open heart, something most people will not do. Fasting really does get results and here is one example:

Originally Posted by Stephen Harrod Buhner

Fasting has been found to help a number of disease conditions, often
permanently. There have been a number of intriguing clinical trials and studies treating numerous disease conditions with fasting. Here are some of those findings.

* In one clinical trial of hypertension and fasting, 174 people with hypertension were prefasted for 2-3 days by eating only fruits and vegetables. They then participated in a 10-11 day water only fast, followed by a 6-7 day post fast in which they ate only a low-fat, low- sodium vegan diet. Initial blood pressure in the participants was either in excess of 140 millimeters of mercury (mm HG) systolic or 90 diastolic or both. Ninety percent of the participants achieved blood pressure less than 140/90 by the end of the trial. The higher their initial blood pressure the more their readings dropped. The average drop for all participants was 37/13. Those with stage 3 hypertension (over 180/110) had an average reduction of 60/17. All those taking blood pressure medication prior to fasting were able to discontinue it. Fasting has been shown in a number of trials like this one to be one of the most effective methods for lowering blood pressure and normalizing cardiovascular function. Blood pressure tends to remain low in all those using fasting for cardiovascular disease once fasting is completed....

from: The Health Benefits of Water Fasting by Stephen Harrod Buhner

Just curious and this is not an attack, but i was wondering what is your personal expeience with fasting and have you read any books on the subject?

[neilpage]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Start working out and eating healthy, and your next fast will be easier. Keep in mind, that fat holds a lot of toxins. So the cleaner your body is before your fast, the less toxins your body will have to deal with from the fat.

SWEET!... more confindence I have; I didn't think about the foods before hand.
I'll stick with fresh fruits before I start again.
THANK YOU!