Will it work?

[zouga623]

I am a 23 year old male who lives a pretty sedentary lifestyle. No exercise, have a job where I pretty much sit all day. I am 5'10 and weigh about 237 lbs. For the last 2 to 3 years I haven't really gained or lost any weight. I've been fluctuating between 230-240. Recently I have started doing 30 minutes of cardio at least 5 days a week, and have been trying for 10,000 steps. I haven't really changed my diet that much, just trying to eat less. Will this work for losing weight?

[RomanHD]

Probably it will help, slightly. However, proper diet is much more important when losing fat. Focus on that.

[sirkinm]

Roger Ebert lost a bunch of weight (this is prior to his recent medical complications) by counting steps with a pedometer, so it worked for him...

[Groundless]

Here come the IFS.

If you do not add ANY extra calories as compared to what you were eating. I mean exact, as in weigh and measure your food it is likely you will get closer to your ideal weight for height. the body compensates energy expenditure with a hormonal response to increase hunger. Fighting hunger can be difficult. Ideally, start with small exercises and add until you start to feel hunger. Then cut back a bit on the exercise and you should see some small results in the right direction.

Appetite will kick in once exercising and eating an extra 250 calories is very easy to do.

[Orecle]

Originally Posted by zouga623

I am a 23 year old male who lives a pretty sedentary lifestyle. No exercise, have a job where I pretty much sit all day. I am 5'10 and weigh about 237 lbs. For the last 2 to 3 years I haven't really gained or lost any weight. I've been fluctuating between 230-240. Recently I have started doing 30 minutes of cardio at least 5 days a week, and have been trying for 10,000 steps. I haven't really changed my diet that much, just trying to eat less. Will this work for losing weight?

No, it wont

Unless you are an ex-bodybuilder, you are massively overweight, but something tells me you already know that.


Let me ask you something? Are you serious about losing weight? or are you looking to do the easiest weight loss possible

I bet you googled weight loss before posting on this thread. Did you see anybody lose 50 plus pounds doing 30 minutes cardio, without a change in diet???????????

I will answer for you

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo

So do you want to spend the next few mths/yrs trawling the internet oor are you willing to do whatever it takes to get your way down to your ideal weight?

your lack of physical exercise partially contributed to your present weight but mostly your diet contributed to it more. You ate your way to 240 pds, you are going to have to correctly eat and exercise your way back down. How fast and how much solely depends on your desire, discipline and strategy

peace

[Groundless]

Pick your poison

Low fat/high carb high exercise.

High fat/low carb no exercise.

There is some success in both camps. Enough to say they both can help you achieve your fat loss goal.

[zouga623]

Originally Posted by Orecle

No, it wont

Unless you are an ex-bodybuilder, you are massively overweight, but something tells me you already know that.


Let me ask you something? Are you serious about losing weight? or are you looking to do the easiest weight loss possible

I bet you googled weight loss before posting on this thread. Did you see anybody lose 50 plus pounds doing 30 minutes cardio, without a change in diet???????????

I will answer for you

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo

So do you want to spend the next few mths/yrs trawling the internet oor are you willing to do whatever it takes to get your way down to your ideal weight?

your lack of physical exercise partially contributed to your present weight but mostly your diet contributed to it more. You ate your way to 240 pds, you are going to have to correctly eat and exercise your way back down. How fast and how much solely depends on your desire, discipline and strategy

peace

You know nothing about me. Don't assume my problem is simply over eating. I never said that my diet is bad, in fact my diet is not that bad at all. I am not your typical fat person who sits around with bags of chips and donuts and all that stuff. My problem is my sedentary lifestyle since I get close to no physical exercise at all. I eat pretty healthy, and I don't really eat very much at all. My problem is I tend to eat one meal a day, and my metabolism is horrible. I know how to eat properly, and most of the time I do eat pretty healthy. Problem is with no exercise and no metabolism it didn't matter how healthy I ate, because my body was just not burning the calories.

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by zouga623

You know nothing about me. Don't assume my problem is simply over eating. I never said that my diet is bad, in fact my diet is not that bad at all. I am not your typical fat person who sits around with bags of chips and donuts and all that stuff. My problem is my sedentary lifestyle since I get close to no physical exercise at all. I eat pretty healthy, and I don't really eat very much at all. My problem is I tend to eat one meal a day, and my metabolism is horrible. I know how to eat properly, and most of the time I do eat pretty healthy. Problem is with no exercise and no metabolism it didn't matter how healthy I ate, because my body was just not burning the calories.

Small amounts of aerobic exercise is not likley to fix your metabolism.

Possible solutions are anaerobic exercise and changing your carbohydrate to fat macronutrient ratio.

[ginkgo]

It is impossible to tell the future. If you have cancer and the doctor gives you chemotherapy, will it work? It does not matter. If it does, then they keep doing it. If it does not, then they try something else. If 5 billion people say it will work and it does not then will you keep doing it? No.

So see if it works. Doing bodybuilding is better at losing weight. See site under signature about this under exercise for full explanation. But just because it is better has nothing to do if what you are doing will work.

[RomanHD]

Originally Posted by zouga623

You know nothing about me. Don't assume my problem is simply over eating. I never said that my diet is bad, in fact my diet is not that bad at all. I am not your typical fat person who sits around with bags of chips and donuts and all that stuff. My problem is my sedentary lifestyle since I get close to no physical exercise at all. I eat pretty healthy, and I don't really eat very much at all. My problem is I tend to eat one meal a day, and my metabolism is horrible. I know how to eat properly, and most of the time I do eat pretty healthy. Problem is with no exercise and no metabolism it didn't matter how healthy I ate, because my body was just not burning the calories.

I think you might have a medical condition, something with insulin resistance perhaps.

[Groundless]

Do you have HDL/triglycerides/LDL numbers from a blood workup? Any idea what your Hemoglobin A1c is?

An HDL/triglyceride ratio of greater than 2 suggests a possible insulin resistance problem. Good catch RomanHD.

[LostMyMap]

Originally Posted by zouga623

You know nothing about me. Don't assume my problem is simply over eating. I never said that my diet is bad, in fact my diet is not that bad at all. I am not your typical fat person who sits around with bags of chips and donuts and all that stuff. My problem is my sedentary lifestyle since I get close to no physical exercise at all. I eat pretty healthy, and I don't really eat very much at all. My problem is I tend to eat one meal a day, and my metabolism is horrible. I know how to eat properly, and most of the time I do eat pretty healthy. Problem is with no exercise and no metabolism it didn't matter how healthy I ate, because my body was just not burning the calories.

I've seen this before. And I've read about it although I can't quote a reference right now. When you eat one meal a day, even a good one, your body thinks you are starving. You eat, later you've gone through that but you don't get any more until the next day. So your body goes into this mode of deciding to pack on the fat when it can because you are in a situation where food supply is not often enough. Can't personally prove it but I've known guys who can't lose weight even with lots of exercise and eat once a day. The solution of course is to eat the same amount in smaller more frequent meals.

So you do 30 minutes/5 days per week. 2.5 hours isn't bad. But a 23 year old male should easily be able to do to or three times that amount. Of course you have to work up to it. It took you a long time to get to your weight, it will take a long time to get it off. Also remember that muscle is more dense than fat, so as you work out and your muscles grow some, you are gaining weight while you are losing!

Oh and how's your thyroid?

[Orecle]

Originally Posted by zouga623

You know nothing about me. Don't assume my problem is simply over eating. I never said that my diet is bad, in fact my diet is not that bad at all. I am not your typical fat person who sits around with bags of chips and donuts and all that stuff. My problem is my sedentary lifestyle since I get close to no physical exercise at all. I eat pretty healthy, and I don't really eat very much at all. My problem is I tend to eat one meal a day, and my metabolism is horrible. I know how to eat properly, and most of the time I do eat pretty healthy. Problem is with no exercise and no metabolism it didn't matter how healthy I ate, because my body was just not burning the calories.

i will bite


Pls post your average diet (95%) for the following periods

age high school - 20 - when you got to 240
age 20 - 23, when you maintained.

what weight were you ae 16?

Since you claim to have eaten healthy and been one of the few on the planet to eat healthy and get as big as fast as you did, i guess.....up till 20, your metabolism was super slow, .......then at 20, when your weight levelled out, I guess your metabolism sped up enough to not allow you to put on any more weight???????

sound right?



You by your own admittance state you have been 237 since age 19 - 20. you cant have been in that sedentry job more than 3 - 4 yrs, since you would have been in high school. So when you were in high school, and or work did it not occur to you that "how comes I eat better and less frequently than almost everyone I know and yet I put on the most weight the fastest"?

You dont get it!!!!

Most teens/ early twentys your height who abuse their diet dont even get as big as you did by 20. And yet you think a little change in activity will take you down to your ideal weight?

In high school when you were more active, were you at youur ideal weight? Did you put on your 50 plus pounds in this particular job?

Did it not occur to you to see your doctor?

If your metabolism is as sluggish as you suggest, you must have been overweight most of your life, also it means watching what you eat doesnt work for you like it does for 99% of the planet who dont eat as well or as frequent and yet have not put on nearly as much weight by 20 yrs old

ps. you are not healthy. there are billions of people that eat far healtier than you and they have not put on that kind of weight as fast by 20.

pss. why are you so sure it your lifestyle? Do you truely beleive that most of the 190 lbs plus 5ft 10in 20 - 23 yr olds who eat crap are that way because they are active??

let alone the 20 - 23 yr olds who actually watch what they eat?

If you truely have eaten healthy, AND ARE ACTUALLY HEALTHY. unless you are chaffeur driven to your desk and back home even with a subpar metabolism you would not have put on that much weight as fast. Go ask your MD. You must have one of the slowest metabolisms on the planet.

i am knowledgable on fat loss. even in starvation mode a typical persons metabolism will not slow down enough to put on 50, 60 plus pds of fat.... by 20 yrs old

calories in vs out

the average human needs 1500 - 2000 plus calories to stay alive. if you mostly eat 1 meal a fay nd healthy at that.... how many calories were in that one meal to enable you to put on that much weight by 20?

[Orecle]

Originally Posted by LostMyMap

I've seen this before. And I've read about it although I can't quote a reference right now. When you eat one meal a day, even a good one, your body thinks you are starving. You eat, later you've gone through that but you don't get any more until the next day. So your body goes into this mode of deciding to pack on the fat when it can because you are in a situation where food supply is not often enough. Can't personally prove it but I've known guys who can't lose weight even with lots of exercise and eat once a day. The solution of course is to eat the same amount in smaller more frequent meals.

So you do 30 minutes/5 days per week. 2.5 hours isn't bad. But a 23 year old male should easily be able to do to or three times that amount. Of course you have to work up to it. It took you a long time to get to your weight, it will take a long time to get it off. Also remember that muscle is more dense than fat, so as you work out and your muscles grow some, you are gaining weight while you are losing!

Oh and how's your thyroid?

I will bet dollars to donuts you cannot find one example, of someone who has truely eaten on average one healthy meal a day and yet has ballooned to 50 - 70lbs over their ideal weight.................... by the age 20

[Groundless]

Since I stayed at a holiday Inn I feel qualified to answer.

Severely obese women GAIN weight on a 6 month physical training regimen

Obese women were put on a 6 month physical training regime.

The reults showed that obese women with fewer fat cells decreased in weight during training whereas women with severe obesity and an increased number of fat cells even gained weight.

ScienceDirect - Metabolism : Effects of long-term physical training on body fat, metabolism, and blood pressure in obesity

Obese patients lose NO weight over a 6 week physical training regimen

Obese patients underwent physical training during a 6-wk period. Body weight, body fat, or fat cell size did not decrease during training.

ScienceDirect - Metabolism : Physical training in human hyperplastic obesity. IV. Effects on the hormonal status

Moderate aerobic exercise training during a 12-week period has no weight loss effect

This pretty much answers your original question directly.

The results of the study indicate that moderate aerobic exercise training during a 12-week period has no discernible effects on body composition but does improve cardiorespiratory fitness in dieting obese women.

Influence of diet and/or exercise on body composition and cardiorespiratory fitness in obese women.

[Trustme]

I monitor my food intake and I found out that when I do cardio workouts (in my case rowing) I automatically and without noticing eat more. That's probably the way of the body to compensate. Another thing is that I feel less guilty when I eat after a workout. This may apply to you as well.

So my advice is to monitor your food intake in a notebook or with a special application/website and try to establish a healthy calorie deficit.

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by Trustme

I monitor my food intake and I found out that when I do cardio workouts (in my case rowing) I automatically and without noticing eat more. That's probably the way of the body to compensate. Another thing is that I feel less guilty when I eat after a workout. This may apply to you as well.

So my advice is to monitor your food intake in a notebook or with a special application/website and try to establish a healthy calorie deficit.

ABSOLUTELY!!! think about our bodies as having evolved by tens of thousands of generations to be able to handle changes. our body is designed to compensate like that. Fat is an abnormal hormonal state, In fact, being fat is internal starvation (of the cells) and has little to do with calories in/ calories out. It's about the hormones.

BRILLIANT advice on the notebook idea. I would add, weight and measure so you know and are not guessing for at least a small period of time.

[zouga623]

I have not gone to the doctor, so I dont know if I have a medical condition, but I doubt it. I do plan, in the future, to add in more than 30 mins of cardio, but that is what I am starting off with, I don't want to overdo it and hurt my body when it is not used to it.

Orecle - There is no reason for you to respond anymore, I am not bothering to read anymore of your posts. I don't know about other people, but I came here for advice, and instead of advice you just criticize me and make assumptions of what I am doing. I don't know how you got to Senior Member level, because from what you've replied on my topic you are nearing the level of a forum troll.

[Orecle]

Originally Posted by zouga623

Orecle - There is no reason for you to respond anymore, I am not bothering to read anymore of your posts. I don't know about other people, but I came here for advice, and instead of advice you just criticize me and make assumptions of what I am doing. I don't know how you got to Senior Member level, because from what you've replied on my topic you are nearing the level of a forum troll.

Wat did i say that was not true?

According to you, you got to 240 lbs eating healthy, most of the time??????
do you know how incredibly rare it is for a person to put on that much weight eating healthy small amounts most of the time.

my advice (among other things) was to GO SEE YOUR DOC. If wat you say is true you probably require meds to speed up your metabolism.......


so wat about that is not helpful????????


I have done extreme fat loss, at least 3 times and find it rather easy. i have also coached others on it and i can tell you without a shadow of a doubt unless you are willing to make a much bigger sacrifice in terms of diet and exercise, you wont being seeing your abs anytime soon.

i could do the softly softly approach, but everyone else on this thread will do it

[zouga623]

Just an update I am down 6 lbs since last week thursday

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by zouga623

Just an update I am down 6 lbs since last week thursday

Congratz.

As long as it is fat loss that is great.

[zouga623]

Originally Posted by Groundless

Congratz.

As long as it is fat loss that is great.

I'm hoping it is. Ive been eating less food, more frequently. The past few days I've had 3 small meals with light snacks between them.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by zouga623

I'm hoping it is. Ive been eating less food, more frequently. The past few days I've had 3 small meals with light snacks between them.

It's not.

How many calories you consuming?