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Hi, I know this is probably a dumb question but I am trying to change into a raw food person, however I'm finding a hard time trying to eat hot food, which I enjoy. I know cooking food sucks up its nutrients such as they do at fast food restaurants, but I was wondering does microwaving food have the same effects? I like to microwave pancakes in the morning and I don't want to give that up. |
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Certainly eating more raw foods will be a good change to make! I believe that cooking is better than microwaving because from what I understand, microwaving more profoundly changes the properties of the food than does cooking. Here is an article that explains the effects more specifically: Microwave Cooking is Killing You! If I want to warm some food without even using my oven, I put it in my dehydrator. I rarely eat bread but occasionally I will get some high quality whole grain bread and toast it in the dehydrator! |
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Microwaving foods actually make them much worse for you, because the nutrients become toxic. The food becomes toxic. Irradiating food is one of the worst things you can do to it. I may have used a microwave 5 times in the last 2 years. And it doesn't taste good either.
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I've never really understood why microwave cooking would be any different than using a stove or a regular oven. All heat is a form of radiation, microwaves just heat things up faster than more traditional methods. So when I saw this thread, I remembered that I have access to a lot of academic databases. I found a couple interesting things (I'm just reading abstracts): One study (Effect of enzyme inactivation by microwave and oven heating on preservation quality of green tea), in the Journal of Food Engineering (Volume 78, Issue 2, January 2007), showed that "both spring and autumn tea possessed by microwave heating had significantly higher vitamin C content and less loss during storage than that by oven heating," "chlorophyll content of spring and autumn tea by microwave heating was higher and more stable than that by oven heating followed by storage, which indicated that microwave-heating treatment could reduce the decomposition of chlorophyll," and "the preservation qualities of green tea harvested in spring and autumn were greatly enhanced by microwave heating." Another (Nutrient retention in foods after earth-oven cooking compared to other forms of domestic cooking), Journal of Food Composition and Analysis (Volume 19, Issue 4, June 2006): Retention of retinol: "Generally higher retention of this vitamin was observed in microwave cooked samples whereas the lowest retentions were characteristic of earth-oven cooked samples." Thiamin and riboflavin: "Highest losses were usually observed with oven roasting, slightly more than the losses with earth-oven cooking. Microwave cooking caused the least loss of these two B vitamins." "Niacin was quite stable to all the cooking methods with the retentions ranging from 63% to 95%. Retention values were comparable between similar samples cooked by different methods." |
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Raw food diets are completely innecessary, require more work than non-raw (even Steve found it a waste of time) and really, no big deal. Micro waving does not make food toxic :/ I wouldn't worry about nutrient sucking. Although it does change the moisturity and texture of some food and consume more energy than normal coccion methods. If the taste is not good for you , do a change, if it is ok for you then there's no reason to change Microwave ovens are cool stuff. The dielectric heating causes water molecules to vibrate (it also does it to metals and that's the reason you don't put metals in it) which generates heat. Do not take the word "radiation" for granted and assume it is the same radiation from Chernobyl :P . The microwave radiation in ovens is non-ionizing. The waves themselves are of course dangerous and hence the shield protection in the door, but they are dangerous because they generate heat and would produce burns on you if you were exposed to them. Actual burns caused by heat. If you were directly exposed to a microwave oven's radiation, you would burn but your DNA would not mutate nor would your inner chemicals suffer nuclear changes and all that stuff that is related to alpha, beta or gamma radiation, thanks for reading. Does cooking itself "suck nutrients" ? I think it is dubious. Although in some food it reduces the nutrients, it also makes the food easier to digest. Digestion requires energy, so it makes food more efficient. Also, in some food, it will actually boost the nutrients making them more suitable for us. (Not to mention that you will get rid of bacteria...) Edit: From the 'article' linked above: Quote:
Edit: Ok, I found a interesting article: Microwave Cooking - Does it Destroy Nutrients in Vegetables? Edit: Hey, for more info refer to the comments section in this blog post: Dangers of Microwave Cooking Edit: I... can't.. stop... finding... links: Cooking in The Microwave Oven: Is It Safe? Last edited by SheldonCooper; 08-06-2010 at 11:28 PM. | |
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See, IF God had wanted you to digest foods just like them, don't you think He'd create your Digestive-system identical Of course, Fresh/Raw veggies & fruits are a different matter, these you can enjoy raw... Quote:
that otherwise have the advantage to kill you. Other foods, such as beans, & high-fiber foods, etc. need to be cooked so you can benefit from them. Water-soluble vitamins are the nutrients that get harmed by enough heat, not minerals. Quote:
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Hell, even raw meat is twice as easy to digest then cooked meat. who says humans were meant to eat beans and grains and etc? If "god" wanted us to, "he" would have created us with the capability to digest it. What food that we NEED, needs to be heated for us to consume it? as far as microbes. I've been eating raw fruit for awhile now. Raw fish. Raw meat. Raw eggs. Barely ever wash my fruit, even tho people say how that will kill you. Yet, I get sick a lot less then everyone else I know, who "protects" themselves from those scary things in foods, by cleaning or cooking them to death. It's all much to do about nothing. "god" created us a lot more resilient then people give us credit for. Last edited by russianrocket; 08-07-2010 at 01:07 PM. | |
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Maybe the main factor here is that they WORRY about it where as you don't. I think it's the worrying that can cause people to get sick...which may be why so many health conscious vegan/vegetarians end up dying an early death from cancer. They all worry about it too much. People who smoke a pack a day and don't worry about it can often live longer than those who don't touch cigarettes. Of course, they are not as self-respecting of their bodies, but then, they don't worry about it either, and thus, don't get sick! Then again, your constitution may be genuinely more resilient than most people you know RR? Coming from Russia, I'd imagine that your immune system would have had to fight a lot harder than most people in say America or Australia, doe to the climate difference and cold. Just a theory...? Quote:
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oh and, now that I think about it. Another factor of me living in Russia, is that we didn't sterilize everything. We didn't have anti bacterial soap and sprays in every aspect of our lives. We didn't take antibiotics for every single thing, nor did we fill ourselves up with drugs every time we had a sniffle. Everyone in America gets sick, because they worry about getting sick and try to protect themselves from it. If only they could see the irony. When all you eat are things that are dead and heated, then of course your immune system isn't gonna handle anything. Personally, I've always wondered if I'd be willing to get vaccines to travel some place, as I personally don't think I'd get sick. Last edited by russianrocket; 08-07-2010 at 02:18 PM. | |
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Well that explains alot. You've been sick as a child alot, and so your immune system had a fighting chance of strengthening from an early age. And yeah, hospitals can be some of the sickest places around...ironically. The only way our immune system can get strong is BY GETTING SICK! The more times we get sick in our life, the more our immunity fights and strengthens. If we suppress it with so many 'medicines', our system doesn't get a chance to do what it is supposed to do...which is fight for our health and immunity The fact that you got so sick as a child is the reason you are so immune from most things that make others around you sick. Then again, you may just eat more garlic than they do I knew a woman about 10 years ago who was fighting Hodgkins Lymphoma...and she was strictly vegan. After a while she admitted that she herself believed that she brought on the cancer cells (that lie dormant in all of us) by just worrying so much about health and what she was eating all the time. You may be right about not needing vaccines...but I personally wouldn't risk it in malaria zones. Quote:
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I took an interest in what his or her had to say and tried to give it a chance. After all- it's my health. Then I scrolled down and saw ear candles. Yeah.... definitely fear mongering. Microwave radiation only heats up the food. It doesn't turn it into toxic. Who's word are you going to take for that? Those fear mongering people or real scientists? | |
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Some of the 'real' scientists who release this information into the general public do work for the fear-mongering government though...just had to throw that in. There have been extensive studies done by both sides that have come up with equally compelling arguments saying it both is and isn't harmful to humans. Who to believe? Personally I like to always listen to my body, which is far wiser and more trustworthy than any scientist or anyone else for that matter...and I have always felt sick around the stomach area whenever I am in the presence of a microwave that is cooking something? I don't know why exactly, but my instincts tell me to stay clear...that's gotta count for something. At least to me it does...I don't care if anyone else thinks I'm crazy. Quote:
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I like some of tests people have done like giving plants water and microwaved water and all the plants getting only microwaved water dying, while the other plants are OK. After I learned about it, I called my friends to tell them about it. They never tell me anything. They had stopped using it years ago. |
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So that is when I quoted with links around 7 different sites the scientific method stating that. Then there was no more arguments offered. These sites were like for kids. It is the first thing you learn about scientific testing. | |
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The vibe from your post is we shouldn't trust any scientific theory because either it will be disproven later on or it's split 50/50 in the community. That's just not the case. | |
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I learned a little about this issue a while back. I became quite convinced (and still am) that microwaves are something that you should attempt to avoid in your cooking as much as you possibly can, and not just because of the arguments against the health effects on the food, but also because of my own taste testing. Go to the grocery store and get two boxed, frozen, lasagna-type dinners of the same kind. They don't need to be healthy for the sake of this experiment. Cook one in a conventional gas oven, then cook the other one in a microwave oven. (most dishes have instructions for both) Then just taste both of them. Assuming you didn't burn either one horribly, I can guarantee you that the lasagna from the oven will taste many, many times better than the microwaved one. I've found this to be true in just about everything I've tried through both cooking mediums. Microwaved food tastes incredibly bland to me now unless they have it loaded with seasonings. I don't think it makes your food toxic, though. I think it does scramble the molecules inside the food to the point where anything beneficial (enzymes, vitamins, ect.) that used to be in it gets destroyed. So what you end up with is a hunk of food-something that your body really can't process well. I also believe that your body has a way of telling you what foods are good for you based on flavor. Some people like and dislike certain foods, and that's because everyone needs slightly different nutrients to maintain our individual health. |
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Global cooling, turned global warming, turned global climate change. All with in how many decades? If that's not a clear cut case of " from true to false" then I honestly don't know what is. Instead of proven wrong, as no theory is considered "fact", lets go with revised, and revised, to the point where it's the complete opposite of the original theory. oh oh , another one. Awhile ago, scientists figured out that the human body needs so much salt. Decades later, we found out they were off by a decimal point. Science is tricky business, and with how much money and bias is involved these days, forgiven me for not wanting to trust any scientists. Last edited by russianrocket; 08-08-2010 at 09:20 AM. | |
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A philanthropist is not trusted with billions of dollars if he has a criminal record. So Bernie Madoff must have had a clean record when he stole billions of dollars from people. A crimnal does not get to become governor of Illinois and that guy broke the law for money. So if the scientist has an experiment in something that he has money involved in, it is a conflict of interest but that is not against the law. I was reading a book by a physicist in Great Britain and he said the physicits there make around the same wages as a trash collector. It even used to be less. He said that this comes from the old practice in England that only wealthy people can become scientists and they do not get paid to do it. This brilliant physicist cannot research what he thinks holds promise but what they tell him to research. He loves science but hates all the bureaucracy. In the 2008 book, Anticancer, the author is an MD and gets cancer. He quickly learns that he cannot trust other doctors to treat him. They make the same whether they save him or kill him. So he had to go out on his own and learn about cancer treatment since it was a matter of life and death for him. The experiement that I mentioned with giving water to plants, you can try it yourself but only if you trust yourself to be honest and give both sides an equal chance. And then if you can do the above then you can trust your results. Say that I say that I have proven that if you fast for one day, you will have the ability to move objects with your mind. Are you going to give me studies disproving it? There aren't any. But you can try it yourself and see. Last edited by ginkgo; 08-08-2010 at 10:35 AM. | |
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| Yes that's the real problem. Between the pharmaceutical and food industries, the pile of "scientific" lies from studies they have financed is stacked quite high. Imagine how different it might be if there was no greed-induced bias and everybody sought only the truth.
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Microwaves were banned for a while in the USSR. Unfortunately, most of what I eat these days is microwaved (I should learn to really cook one of these days). It's better than fast food....I guess. Last edited by GhostGoat; 08-08-2010 at 08:38 PM. |
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Gingko seemed to trail off onto a pretty vague sounding , totally different wavelength to where I was heading with my question...almost with a defensive tone to his post?? Not sure why? If radiated water was added to plants that weren't receiving enough light, then there may have been "óther factors"as to why they died. That's all I'm saying. | |
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I stopped eating microwave food cause this is what "metatron" said about it.. but I still miss it and I acknowledge I can go back.. Quote:
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