What Should I Eat to Replace Meat?

[blissfulpeace]

Hi Everyone,

I've decided to stop eating any kind of meat. I just can't do it anymore.
Yesterday while eating a fried chicken it occured to me that I'm eating an animal that now lies dead on my plate.

It may sound silly but that's how I felt. I felt like throwing up.

So what can I eat to replace meat?
Also, do you have any recommedation for this kind of nutrition? A book or something?

Thank you

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Tofu, seitan, beans and legumes, grains, plenty of vegetables, mushrooms, plenty of vegetables (did I say that twice? It's very important), fruit, more fruit.

Are you considering following a vegan or a vegetarian eating style?

[blissfulpeace]

I'm not considering the vegan option for now. For now I'll just stick to eating anything except any kind of meat....

[aelle]

Like blissfulpeace said, up the beans, tofu, seitan for the proteins and the greens for iron. And don't make the mistake of going heavy on the carbs and dairy to compensate for "comfort food" you miss. You may need to build new comfort foods.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Eat some eggs too then. I'd recommend staying away from dairy as it is not nearly as useful as those Got Milk? adverts make it out to be. Lactose is indigestible to most human beings, casein is a difficult protein to digest and can actually strip calcium away from bones (so much for building strong teeth and bones).

Eat plenty of beets, they're wicked tasty and are incredibly good for the fleshy components of the body. It's good to eat a variety of color in fruits and vegetables. Try to include some of every color if you can. The pigment of the fruit/veggie is rich in phytochemicals that are highly useful to the body depending on the color. The skin of many fruits and veggies is the most nutritionally valuable part, such as in blueberries. Be careful though, some skin is toxic and should not be ingested (like orange peel).

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

Eat some eggs too then. I'd recommend staying away from dairy as it is not nearly as useful as those Got Milk? adverts make it out to be. Lactose is indigestible to most human beings, casein is a difficult protein to digest and can actually strip calcium away from bones (so much for building strong teeth and bones).

Eat plenty of beets, they're wicked tasty and are incredibly good for the fleshy components of the body. It's good to eat a variety of color in fruits and vegetables. Try to include some of every color if you can. The pigment of the fruit/veggie is rich in phytochemicals that are highly useful to the body depending on the color. The skin of many fruits and veggies is the most nutritionally valuable part, such as in blueberries. Be careful though, some skin is toxic and should not be ingested (like orange peel).

Right, wrong, and wrong. Eggs are great. Eat as many as you want. You aren't killing any animals, as eggs are technically a chickens period, lol which some might see as worse, but hey. Yummy and healthy. Plenty of protein, and even better for you if they are raw ( and preferable free range).
Milk in the raw is great for you, and just about anyone can drink it. Lactose is NOT indigestible to most people. The lactose in cooked milk, which doesn't have the enzymes in to produce lactase, which is what digests lactose, is indigestible to most people. The whole casein thing is crap too. Casein is "difficult" in that it's a slow digesting protein. Doesn't mean it's hard for the body to digest it tho. It's just made to be digested very slowly, which is great for your body, instead of one straight shot of protein. It does not strip calcium from your teeth and bones. That is only if you consume excess proteins. There is a whole thread on it.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Right, wrong, and wrong. Eggs are great. Eat as many as you want. You aren't killing any animals, as eggs are technically a chickens period, lol which some might see as worse, but hey. Yummy and healthy. Plenty of protein, and even better for you if they are raw ( and preferable free range).
Milk in the raw is great for you, and just about anyone can drink it. Lactose is NOT indigestible to most people. The lactose in cooked milk, which doesn't have the enzymes in to produce lactase, which is what digests lactose, is indigestible to most people. The whole casein thing is crap too. Casein is "difficult" in that it's a slow digesting protein. Doesn't mean it's hard for the body to digest it tho. It's just made to be digested very slowly, which is great for your body, instead of one straight shot of protein. It does not strip calcium from your teeth and bones. That is only if you consume excess proteins. There is a whole thread on it.

This is off the topic of whether it is humane or not, but each egg has about 250 mg of cholesterol and that is a lot for an animal food. Eggs have nothing that you can't get from other foods except a unique taste. As for as humane, there is the question of whether it is worse to kill an animal or torture it. The places that kill animals say that they try to do it in a humane way that does not torture the animal.

But the chickens that are kept to lay eggs are treated in a very bad way and even tortured like having their beaks cut off if it is not free range chickens. Here is big breasted (according to Borat) Pamela Anderson showing how the chickens are treated. YouTube - kentucky fried chicken - chicken abuse by pamela anderson

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by blissfulpeace

Hi Everyone,

I've decided to stop eating any kind of meat. I just can't do it anymore.
Yesterday while eating a fried chicken it occured to me that I'm eating an animal that now lies dead on my plate.

It may sound silly but that's how I felt. I felt like throwing up.

So what can I eat to replace meat?
Also, do you have any recommedation for this kind of nutrition? A book or something?

Thank you

You do not need to replace the meat. A college textbook on nutrition (Understanding Nutrition) says that protein deficiency is rare in the world and non-existant in this part of the world (it is politically incorrect to say non-third world countries). The American Dietetic Association says that vegans get twice the protein that they need and that is too much. Excess protein cannot be stored.

As far as taste, Boca burgers were tested in Texas and the people said that it tasted good, and then they were told that they have no meat. There are many Chinese restarants that have great tasting fake meat dishes. Health food stores have all sorts of fake meat like the very famous Tofurkey and Fakin Bacon.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

This is off the topic of whether it is humane or not, but each egg has about 250 mg of cholesterol and that is a lot for an animal food. Eggs have nothing that you can't get from other foods except a unique taste. As for as humane, there is the question of whether it is worse to kill an animal or torture it. The places that kill animals say that they try to do it in a humane way that does not torture the animal.

But the chickens that are kept to lay eggs are treated in a very bad way and even tortured like having their beaks cut off if it is not free range chickens. Here is big breasted (according to Borat) Pamela Anderson showing how the chickens are treated. YouTube - kentucky fried chicken - chicken abuse by pamela anderson

omg this is getting old

What don't you get about the words " FREE RANGE". I'd never touch an egg from places like the ones you are mentioning.
An egg from a free range chicken farm is as humane of an animal protein as you can get. And cholesterol from eggs? How many times does it have to be pounded into your head by multiple people on this site? I swear, you have your way of thinking, and essentially ignore anything that contradicts it. . But how can i expect anything more, from someone who thinks an UNFERTILIZED EGG, is an animal fetus.
EGG CHOLESTEROL DOES NOT EFFECT BLOOD CHOLESTEROL
PERIOD

Dietary cholesterol isn’t bound to blood cholesterol. There’s no relation to cholesterol & saturated fat intake to higher cholesterol levels.

"However, a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, in addition to several other studies, refute this. This study looked at the effects of egg consumption in 100,000 men and women, and concluded that eggs alone do not contribute to high cholesterol. In fact, when cholesterol was omitted from the diet of these subjects, their total cholesterol levels decreased only by 1%."

" A research team from the University of Surrey led by professor of nutritional metabolism Bruce Griffin fed two eggs per day to overweight but otherwise healthy volunteers for 12 weeks while they followed a reduced-calorie diet prescribed by the British Heart Foundation. A second group followed the BHF diet also but cut out eggs altogether.

Both groups lost between 3 to 4 kg (7- 9 lbs) and saw a fall in the average level of blood cholesterol, the research, to be published in the European Journal of Nutrition, found.

When blood cholesterol was measured at both six weeks and 12 weeks, both groups showed either no change or a reduction, particularly in their LDL (bad) cholesterol levels. That was despite the fact that the egg group had increased their dietary cholesterol intake to around four times that of the non-egg group. "

Eggs are high in cholesterol, but they contain lecithin and phosphatidylcholine which keep the body from absorbing very much (not that dietary cholesterol is a problem). Most studies have not been able to find any link with egg consumption and heart problems or any other health concerns.


Dietary cholesterol versus cholesterol that's produced in the body


Myth 2. Eating eggs raises your cholesterol levels.

Truth: Dietary cholesterol found in eggs has little to do with the amount of cholesterol in your body.

The confusion can be boiled down to semantics: The same word, "cholesterol," is used to describe two different things. Dietary cholesterol the fat-like molecules in animal-based foods like eggs doesn't greatly affect the amount of cholesterol circulating in your bloodstream. Your body makes its own cholesterol, so it doesn't need much of the kind you eat.[**]

Good news: Eggs of all kinds are fine.

The kind of cholesterol found in eggs doesn't affect the cholesterol in your blood, so go ahead and enjoy eggs for breakfast, lunch, or dinner, guilt-free. In healthy people, "the research with eggs has never shown any link of egg consumption with blood lipids or with risk of heart disease," says Don Layman, professor emeritus in the Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

** Unless you don't eat enough. Your body produces about 75% of the cholesterol it needs; the rest has to come from diet.

Cholesterol is important—it provides stability to cell membranes (keeps them from being floppy); maintains the structure of blood vessels; is necessary for brain & memory function (which is why cholesterol-lowering statin drugs can cause memory loss); is the precursor to all steroid hormones: estrogen, progesterone, cortisol, DHEA, and testosterone. For this reason, cholesterol is for lovers!

ARE WE DONE?

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

omg this is getting old


ARE WE DONE?

I said that if it was not free range. Does every store that sells eggs offer free range eggs? Are they just as easy to buy as the other kind? Also did the posts above mine say make sure to only get free range eggs? No! Why didn't you say to only get free range eggs, before I mentioned it? Am I supposed to follow you around and clean up the mess that you made (American saying)?

Also I know the above about cholesterol. I did not say that it was bad to consume cholesterol. If you think that I did then quote it. I created a thread all about cholesterol, where I think that your only comment was about which came first-- the chicken or the egg.

Let's say that someone says that masturbating 10 times a day is a lot. Did he say that it was bad to masturate? No. He said that it was a lot. Say someone says that Bill Gates makes a lot of money. Is he saying that it is bad to make that much? No!

Although I did read about the vanishing middle class that said (in America) 30 years ago the top people in a corporation would make 30 times what the workers made. Now they make 300 times what the workers make.

So why did I say the above? According to Joel Fuhrman, MD, who created the ANDI scale and created the word, nutritatrian, the only time cholesterol in the diet makes a difference (according to a studiy) is when someone has a diet of almost no cholesterol and this guy is talking about not eating any more dead animals.

As far as are we done, that guy on the fast is done with you. He said that he will not reply to you anymore. But I am not running out of patience. If I was, then I would say "Are we done?"

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Right, wrong, and wrong. Eggs are great. Eat as many as you want. You aren't killing any animals, as eggs are technically a chickens period, lol which some might see as worse, but hey. Yummy and healthy. Plenty of protein, and even better for you if they are raw ( and preferable free range).
Milk in the raw is great for you, and just about anyone can drink it. Lactose is NOT indigestible to most people. The lactose in cooked milk, which doesn't have the enzymes in to produce lactase, which is what digests lactose, is indigestible to most people. The whole casein thing is crap too. Casein is "difficult" in that it's a slow digesting protein. Doesn't mean it's hard for the body to digest it tho. It's just made to be digested very slowly, which is great for your body, instead of one straight shot of protein. It does not strip calcium from your teeth and bones. That is only if you consume excess proteins. There is a whole thread on it.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

I said that if it was not free range. Does every store that sells eggs offer free range eggs? Are they just as easy to buy as the other kind? Also did the posts above mine say make sure to only get free range eggs? No! Why didn't you say to only get free range eggs, before I mentioned it? Am I supposed to follow you around and clean up the mess that you made (American saying)?

Also I know the above about cholesterol. I did not say that it was bad to consume cholesterol. I created a thread all about cholesterol, where I think that your only comment was about which came first-- the chicken or the egg. So why did I say the above? According to Joel Fuhrman, MD, who created the ANDI scale and created the word, nutritatrian, the only time cholesterol in the diet makes a difference (according to a studiy) is when someone has diet of amost no cholesterol.

As far as are we done, that guy on the fast is done with you. He said that he will not reply to you anymore. But I am not running out of patience. If I was, then I would say "Are we done?"

Just about every store that sells eggs, does offer free range organic eggs. And if he doesn't have one around him, which I highly doubt
and if he's SOOO concerned with animals, then he will be more then willing to go out of his way to get them. Most vegans and vegetarians go plenty out of their way for their lifestyle choices.

But yes, they are just as easy to buy as the other kind. They might cost more, but eating healthy always costs more. You get better taste, you get better nutritional value, and you get to say you care about the chickens. Don't forget to mention why you think unfertilized chicken eggs are chicken fetus'... I'd love to hear your reasoning for that one.

No, it's true, you did not come out and say that it was bad to consume cholesterol. You just implied ( like Dr.Campbell likes to do) something with out actually saying it. Not saying something is as bad as saying something. What someone would get from your post, is that too much cholesterol is bad. And that too much cholesterol from an ANIMAL source is bad. Yet, both of those are false, and pairing egg cholesterol with normal animal cholesterol is yet another way of making animal cholesterol look bad, yet it's been PROVEN that the amount of cholesterol in eggs does NOT cause any harm to your body, and actually lowers cholesterol levels. But you are right. I made the comment about the chicken or the egg, because you made a post, which clearly no one cares enough to respond to, because you had no new information that hasn't already been talked about on other threads which you participated in. So I didn't really bother.

The difference with patience, is that only you are the one that causes people on this forum to require patience. Everyone seems to have a fairly easy time with me. I've got enough things to worry about today, that require my patience, so I don't really feel like putting that effort towards you, but I AM willing to put my effort at dismissing your blatant bending of the truth.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Let's say that someone says that masturbating 10 times a day is a lot. Did he say that it was bad to masturate? No. He said that it was a lot. Say someone says that Bill Gates makes a lot of money. Is he saying that it is bad to make that much? No!

Oh stop.... You aren't fooling anyone. There was absolutely no reason for you to say it was a lot of cholesterol from animal sources, other then to point out that it was too much. Especially considering the source of who said it. Literally, NO reason.

If someone constantly brings up how bad cholesterol is for our health, and that we should be getting everything from plants, goes on to say " that's a lot of cholesterol from animal sources". It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that one out.

[secrets0stolen]

While I agree that eggs are the most humane source of animal food, the label 'free range' can sometimes be deceptive. All that's required for the producer to be able to smack that label on there is the chickens not *constantly* being in a cage--they can still do a whole host of inhumane things to them. If that your thing, it's really best to get eggs from someone local where you can find out the specific practices and observe the actual farm. There's also the plus that you get to know *exactly* what the chickens are eating, too.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by secrets0stolen

While I agree that eggs are the most humane source of animal food, the label 'free range' can sometimes be deceptive. All that's required for the producer to be able to smack that label on there is the chickens not *constantly* being in a cage--they can still do a whole host of inhumane things to them. If that your thing, it's really best to get eggs from someone local where you can find out the specific practices and observe the actual farm. There's also the plus that you get to know *exactly* what the chickens are eating, too.

Agree, but a little research, and it's easier to find which free range eggs actually are " free range". Because there are plenty of people out there that will literally go out to the producer, to find out exactly what's going on.

Luckily, I found a source locally, that provides eggs from a farm. Free range, non washed and non refrigerated . Can't get any closer to healthy then that.

[moonrambler]

Pasta!

*ducks*

[3afash]

These are the highest plant protein sources:

bee pollen
hemp seeds
raw rice protein
Maca
Goji Berry
marine phytoplankton
spirulina
blue-green algae
chlorella
Medicinal mushrooms (Reishi, chaga, lion's mane)

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Oh stop.... You aren't fooling anyone. There was absolutely no reason for you to say it was a lot of cholesterol from animal sources, other then to point out that it was too much. Especially considering the source of who said it. Literally, NO reason.

If someone constantly brings up how bad cholesterol is for our health, and that we should be getting everything from plants, goes on to say " that's a lot of cholesterol from animal sources". It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that one out.

That lawyer that no longer deals with you said that you do not read the entire post. I give the reason that I mentioned it and how it only applies to a very small number of people. But you must not have read it.

Like I have said many times, we are dealing with opinions. It is my opinion that that the cholesterol in the diet does not matter except only matters in the exception that I mentioned. It comes from Joel Fuhrman and a study that he talks about. That exeption may matter to the guy eating no meat. Now I may think that adultery is not a terrible thing since Abraham did it, but I may mention it, since many think that it is a terrible thing. Again it is about opinions.

Now here is the opinion of the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute (NHLBI). They are one of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) that receive billions of dollars of U.S. federal taxes. Just look at the URL of this site: NHLBI, High Blood Cholesterol: What You Need to Know

It says:

Saturated fat and cholesterol in the food you eat make your blood cholesterol level go up. Saturated fat is the main culprit, but cholesterol in foods also matters. Reducing the amount of saturated fat and cholesterol in your diet helps lower your blood cholesterol level.

Just like I know the difference, they clearly know the difference between cholesterol in the diet and in the blood. They are calling cholesterol in the diet a culprit. Again I disagree with this in the majority of cases (only in the tiny number I mentioned) but their opinion carries a lot of weight.

Many made a big deal of Tiger Woods committing adultery. I told you my opinion but many have a different opinion. Who is right? Of course everything thinks that they are right. It is possible that I am wrong so I mention other opinions.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by 3afash

These are the highest plant protein sources:

bee pollen
hemp seeds
raw rice protein
Maca
Goji Berry
marine phytoplankton
spirulina
blue-green algae
chlorella
Medicinal mushrooms (Reishi, chaga, lion's mane)

I mentioned how vegans get too much protein but you did not mention the most common foods that are high in protein like soy (soybeans), nuts, seeds and beans (legumes). Many veg* do not eat what you mentioned but who does not eat nuts, seeds and beans? I always eat beans with my brown rice.

I also eat everything that you mentioned but for things other than protein. For example chlorella has the chlorella growth factor causing this food to double in size every 2 or 3 days. Blue-green algae existed before plants and animals existed and put the oxygen in the air. It is the most ancient living thing. Goji berries have many times more lycopene than tomatoes.

Like maca I eat about 30 other herbal foods from the Amazon rainforest. The anti-aging Amazon supplement that I take has in it maca, suma, muira puama and stevia.

[Mabel]

Originally Posted by blissfulpeace

So what can I eat to replace meat?

The need for protein is overstated by traditional nutrition guidelines. There is plenty of protein in fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. What types of non-meat foods do you enjoy eating? That will be a good place to start to make specific recommendations. It is a good idea to create most of your meals from whole foods and better to eat more of it raw than cooked.

Cheers!

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Right, wrong, and wrong. Eggs are great. Eat as many as you want. You aren't killing any animals, as eggs are technically a chickens period, lol which some might see as worse, but hey. Yummy and healthy. Plenty of protein, and even better for you if they are raw ( and preferable free range).
Milk in the raw is great for you, and just about anyone can drink it. Lactose is NOT indigestible to most people. The lactose in cooked milk, which doesn't have the enzymes in to produce lactase, which is what digests lactose, is indigestible to most people. The whole casein thing is crap too. Casein is "difficult" in that it's a slow digesting protein. Doesn't mean it's hard for the body to digest it tho. It's just made to be digested very slowly, which is great for your body, instead of one straight shot of protein. It does not strip calcium from your teeth and bones. That is only if you consume excess proteins. There is a whole thread on it.

Yes, raw milk is excellent for the body but since it is illegal to purchase in many countries because of pasteurization laws, it's best to not bother with it as pasteurization neutralizes much of the nutritional value in raw milk. It becomes, like you said, indigestible. So therefore it's useless, unless you know a farmer. Also there is a gene for the digestion of lactose that is absent in many people, as the raising of cattle for livestock is a rather new practice in human evolution, many genetic lines simply haven't adapted yet.

[MsScoundress]

Originally Posted by blissfulpeace

Yesterday while eating a fried chicken it occured to me that I'm eating an animal that now lies dead on my plate.

hey there, no offense but what you mentioned seem more like a psychological, no? some nutritional disorder are psychological related too. anyhow, i would suggest that you eat fish and eggs. these protein however do not have adequate amount of iron as found in meat. you may want to take iron supplement to ensure you meet your RDI...

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by MsScoundress

hey there, no offense but what you mentioned seem more like a psychological, no? some nutritional disorder are psychological related too. anyhow, i would suggest that you eat fish and eggs. these protein however do not have adequate amount of iron as found in meat. you may want to take iron supplement to ensure you meet your RDI...

Some folks might consider fish to be dead animals on their plate too . Also, I don't think it's in any way fair to portray vegetarians as psychologically unsound because they don't want to eat animals.

[MsScoundress]

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

Also, I don't think it's in any way fair to portray vegetarians as psychologically unsound because they don't want to eat animals.

err, thats not what i meant....there are ppl out there who have such psychological related eating disorders though...just my thoughts ....

[anghel]

I enjoyed this thread... I learned more about eggs
We keep ducks before, they're freely rooming around our backyard and laying eggs anywhere. It's not inhumane to just get their eggs and cook it right? They're laying anywhere.

[munish]

I have never touched meat in my life.

You can eat Avocados, celery .

[Mabel]

Originally Posted by munish

I have never touched meat in my life.

You can eat Avocados, celery .

Wow--that is really awesome Munish. I wonder what that would be like never to have had meat. I am just happy now that I no longer consume animal flesh!

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Some other non meat alternatives are cabbage, cruciferous veggies like broccoli and brussel sprouts, tofu, tempeh, plenty of nuts and seeds (chia seeds especially, they have many of the same vitamins meat tends to have high amounts of, as well as a healthy surplus of B vitamin complexes).

Omega 3 can be snagged from many seed sources. Hemp seeds (delicious hemp granola and protein shakes!) flax seeds and flax oil are some of the best non carnivorous sources for omega 3.

[tlaskcor]

My protein sources are mostly nuts and nut milk in my smoothies, chlorella tablets, chia gel, and I have this protein powder made out of hemp powder, brazil nut powder, maca, goji berry powder, and mesquite. I eat a lot of greens. Greens have a lot of aminos.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

Omega 3 can be snagged from many seed sources. Hemp seeds (delicious hemp granola and protein shakes!) flax seeds and flax oil are some of the best non carnivorous sources for omega 3.

Actually, plant foods only contain the omega-3 fatty acid ALA (alpha-Linolenic acid). Only animal foods contain DHA and EPA. The body can convert ALA to DHA and EPA, but in limited amounts (so far studies show that men only convert like 3 to 5%).

As for replacing meat, I think it would be fairly easy to get protein from plant sources. I'd be more concerned about getting enough of other nutrients, especially fat-soluble vitamins like A, D3, and K2. And the DHA and EPA mentioned above.

I would eat a lot of the highest-quality eggs and grass-fed raw dairy you can get your hands on. It wouldn't hurt to add coconut foods and unrefined palm oil to your diet either.

[secrets0stolen]

Originally Posted by liamona

Actually, plant foods only contain the omega-3 fatty acid ALA (alpha-Linolenic acid). Only animal foods contain DHA and EPA. The body can convert ALA to DHA and EPA, but in limited amounts (so far studies show that men only convert like 3 to 5%).

As for replacing meat, I think it would be fairly easy to get protein from plant sources. I'd be more concerned about getting enough of other nutrients, especially fat-soluble vitamins like A, D3, and K2. And the DHA and EPA mentioned above.

I would eat a lot of the highest-quality eggs and grass-fed raw dairy you can get your hands on. It wouldn't hurt to add coconut foods and unrefined palm oil to your diet either.

There's no such thing as an unrefined oil--oils are by definition, refined. Whole coconut is an excellent food, though.