A Question for Vegitarians/ Vegans

[rickrock]

I am a little bit, uninformed about the way you get your protien, but I do know this is a way of telling you that you are wrong for the way you eat but thats not what I'm typing this for...

I would like to be a vegitarian its healthy, and good for my lifestyle and things that I have to do, another story, but also work out very often and need protien, yes I'm addicted to peanut butter but not looking forward to eating it all day to get the nutrients I need.

SO. My question is, what would a vegitarian/vegan do in my shoes? Do you use that protien powder ( a question with in a question, do they use animals to get the protien?) or is there a vitamin? Sorry for the ignorance but it's something I would need to know before commiting.

[aelle]

First, it helps to be vegetarian if you know how to spell it. This way you can look up the protein answer in Google on on these boards where it's been answered and debated dozens of times.

Some sources of plant protein other than peanut butter:
tofu
tempeh
seitan
beans
peas
lentils
nuts
sprouted grains
and all their derivatives - patties, spreads, milks...

And yes, you can find vegan protein powder, but it's very unlikely that you'd actually need it.

[Rose of Cairo]

Greeeeeeens!

Raw, green, leafy vegetables contain everything you need to build human protein. Eat enough greens and you have no worries about protein, even when working out.

Love.

[aelle]

Love's an excellent source of protein indeed! And of B12.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by aelle

Love's an excellent source of protein indeed! And of B12.

I didn't mean it that way, but... now that you say it, you are right.

[rickrock]

Originally Posted by aelle

First, it helps to be vegetarian if you know how to spell it.

Sorry, have not slept in over 48 hours because of a family crisis that has left me a little shaken and stressed. Hope thats okay with you. If I needed spelling corrections I would have asked for that. I came for advice, thats all.

[aelle]

Originally Posted by rickrock

Sorry, have not slept in over 48 hours because of a family crisis that has left me a little shaken and stressed. Hope thats okay with you. If I needed spelling corrections I would have asked for that. I came for advice, thats all.

Sorry about your situation, I hope your family is okay now. But seriously, there are tons of resources around the web for the single most frequently asked question to veg*ns. You can find answers way more elaborate than what anyone would take the time to write on a message board. I suggest you start by having a look at the Vegan Society website.

[rickrock]

Originally Posted by aelle

Sorry about your situation, I hope your family is okay now. But seriously, there are tons of resources around the web for the single most frequently asked question to veg*ns. You can find answers way more elaborate than what anyone would take the time to write on a message board. I suggest you start by having a look at the Vegan Society website.

Thank you, I hope so too, and I'm sorry I usually have a better hold on my stress and emotions, you didnt know. Thank you I will check out the site.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Greeeeeeens!

Raw, green, leafy vegetables contain everything you need to build human protein. Eat enough greens and you have no worries about protein, even when working out.

Love.

Not entirely . Most leafy greens aren't complete proteins and don't have every amino acid in them for the body to actual use to build muscle. You have to eat them in the proper combination, in one sitting, as the body won't hold onto incomplete proteins, in hope that very soon you'll eat something else that contains the missing amino acid.

[Beuford]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

You have to eat them in the proper combination, in one sitting, as the body won't hold onto incomplete proteins, in hope that very soon you'll eat something else that contains the missing amino acid.

According to this website you have got 4-6 hours. That is because of the amino acid pool.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Beuford

According to this website you have got 4-6 hours. That is because of the amino acid pool.

Now now. That's ONE site, that looks like someone can put up in a day, with what ever info they want. And there are no references for any of the things mentioned. But the main thing that puts me off from that site is how they form their argument against meat.

Which is to imply that anyone getting their protein from meat will be eating a 12 oz t bone, and there for is getting to much protein. And that the advantage of getting your protein from plant sources over a 12 oz t bone, is that you won't get fat and sick. I'm sorry, but that alone makes that entire page, and maybe site, way to biased for anyone to take anything of value from it.

And really, how many healthy people eat a 12 ounce t bone every day? Not only is that not the healthiest cut of meat, but it's almost a pound of steak and almost 900 calories.

[Beuford]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Now now. That's ONE site, that looks like someone can put up in a day, with what ever info they want. And there are no references for any of the things mentioned. But the main thing that puts me off from that site is how they form their argument against meat.

Which is to imply that anyone getting their protein from meat will be eating a 12 oz t bone, and there for is getting to much protein. And that the advantage of getting your protein from plant sources over a 12 oz t bone, is that you won't get fat and sick. I'm sorry, but that alone makes that entire page, and maybe site, way to biased for anyone to take anything of value from it.

And really, how many healthy people eat a 12 ounce t bone every day? Not only is that not the healthiest cut of meat, but it's almost a pound of steak!

Then find another website that mentions the amino acid pool. The point is, the body doesn't go "oh, you forgot to eat this amino acid, so you might as well not count that meal as having any protein". Otherwise my beans for breakfast would have given me 0grams of usable protein then the 600 grams of brown rice I ate a bit later on would have given me 0grams of usable protein and I might have gotten 15 grams of usable protein today. It just does not work like that.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Beuford

Then find another website that mentions the amino acid pool. The point is, the body doesn't go "oh, you forgot to eat this amino acid, so you might as well not count that meal as having any protein". Otherwise my beans for breakfast would have given me 0grams of usable protein then the 600 grams of brown rice I ate a bit later on would have given me 0grams of usable protein and I might have gotten 15 grams of usable protein today. It just does not work like that.

See, that's the thing, It's hard to find somewhere that mentions the turn over rate in the amino acid pool, which makes me question even more how that person go the number that they got. Tell me, WHY doesn't it work like that? I hope it's not because you don't want it to work like that. Now, I'm not talking about an INSTANT loss of unused amino acids. It does take food time to go through your system, but 4-6 hours after DIGESTION?

Oh and don't forget, that when the amino acid pool isn't complete, the body will utilize muscles to complete it. I'd say you got enough usable protein to fulfill the bodies normal every day needs every day to survive, which is around 30-50 grams, depending on your size. Unless you are remotely active, and there for break down muscle tissue, which then needs more amino acids. Vegan body builders know how to obtain muscle, because they know how to combine foods to get complete proteins. Most vegetarians/vegans, quite honestly, don't care that much about muscles.

[Beuford]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

See, that's the thing, It's hard to find somewhere that mentions the turn over rate in the amino acid pool, which makes me question even more how that person go the number that they got. Tell me, WHY doesn't it work like that? I hope it's not because you don't want it to work like that. Now, I'm not talking about an INSTANT loss of unused amino acids. It does take food time to go through your system, but 4-6 hours after DIGESTION?

The exact details of the time it takes for amino acids to leave the amino acid pool does not matter and it probably varies for different amino acids. The point is that essential amino acids can be stored between meals. Add that to:

when the amino acid pool isn't complete, the body will utilize muscles to complete it.

Makes this not so true:

Originally Posted by russianrocket

You have to eat them in the proper combination, in one sitting, as the body won't hold onto incomplete proteins, in hope that very soon you'll eat something else that contains the missing amino acid.

However it was originally leafy greens that were mentioned, which is not exactly massive muscle building food anyway.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Not entirely . Most leafy greens aren't complete proteins and don't have every amino acid in them for the body to actual use to build muscle. You have to eat them in the proper combination, in one sitting, as the body won't hold onto incomplete proteins, in hope that very soon you'll eat something else that contains the missing amino acid.

*gently shrugs* That is theory. I don't rely on theory when it comes to diet, as you can find any theory explained and "proven" out there. What I see are people on a raw vegan diet who work out and do perfectly fine on greens.

Maybe it's only because they have tons of sex.

[rickrock]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

*gently shrugs* That is theory. I don't rely on theory when it comes to diet, as you can find any theory explained and "proven" out there. What I see are people on a raw vegan diet who work out and do perfectly fine on greens.

Maybe it's only because they have tons of sex.

You make me laugh

You also made my day

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by rickrock

SO. My question is, what would a vegitarian/vegan do in my shoes? Do you use that protien powder ( a question with in a question, do they use animals to get the protien?) or is there a vitamin? .

A college textbook on nutrition (Understanding Nutrition) says that protein deficiency is rare in the world and non-existant in this part of the world (it is politically incorrect to say non-third world countries). The American Dietetic Association says that vegans get twice the protein that they need and that is too much. Excess protein cannot be stored.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Not entirely . Most leafy greens aren't complete proteins and don't have every amino acid in them for the body to actual use to build muscle. You have to eat them in the proper combination, in one sitting, as the body won't hold onto incomplete proteins, in hope that very soon you'll eat something else that contains the missing amino acid.

The above is a myth. So I am disagreeing with you. What else is new? Right now I have a different opinion than you. But that changes now. Here are the facts. Numbers do not lie. The Nutrition Almanac (4th Edition)(Copyright 1996) has sold millions of copies.

What is this mysterious complete protein? It is a protein that has all of the essential amino acids. To make a complete protein requires less tryptophan than any of the others i.e. the RDA of amino acids (protein) is 204 mg tryptophan (lowest) and 1,000 mg of leucine (highest of the essential amino acids).

The above book says that a half a cup of cooked spinach has (listing essential amino acids [non-essential ones can be made by the body]) 36 mg of tryptophan, 114 mg of threonine, 137 mg of isoleucine, 208 mg of leucine, 164 mg of lycine, 50 mg of methionine, 121 mg of phenylananine and 151 mg of valine.

None of the essential ones are at 0 (zero). This is true with all the fruits and vegetables that I have looked up. This book has the above for hundreds of foods. Note that spinach has less tryptophan than the others and it requires the least and spinach has the most of leucine and that is the is the one that requires the most to make a complete protein (that is the purpose of the green and blue colors of text).

This webpage goes more into this with the article on protein, carbs and fat. But I will give it its own page soon. It lists the RDA of all the essential amino acids and tells how much the avocado has of each one. Sorry, I know this myth is widespread but have no idea who made it up. The numbers say that it is not true. The acai berry has an almost identical amino acid profile as eggs.

Iceberg, loose leaf and romaine lettuce are listed in this book. They all have all the amino acids listed above (all the essential one as of 1996).

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

The above is a myth. So I am disagreeing with you. What else is new? Right now I have a different opinion than you. But that changes now. The Nutrition Almanac (4th Edition)(Copyright 1996) has sold millions of copies.


Iceberg, loose leaf and romaine lettuce are listed in this book. They all have all the amino acids listed above (all the essential one as of 1996).

What about watermelon? It is like 99% water. It cannot possibly be a complete protein. You would be crazy to think so. Nutrition Almanac says that 1 cup of watermelon has 11 mg trypyophan, 43 threonine, 30 isoleucine, 29 leucine, 99 lycine, 10 methionine, 24 phenylalanine and 26 mg valine. So even watermelon is a complete protein.

[rickrock]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

What about watermelon? It is like 99% water. It cannot possibly be a complete protein. You would be crazy to think so. Nutrition Almanac says that 1 cup of watermelon has 11 mg trypyophan, 43 threonine, 30 isoleucine, 29 leucine, 99 lycine, 10 methionine, 24 phenylalanine and 26 mg valine. So even watermelon is a complete protein.

Thats a very interesting face! Didnt know that it could possibly be a complete protein!