Fastest way to loose weight !

[Sarah Wilson]

Many people are striving hard to loose their weight and can't even achieve their desired goals and wasted more time of doing different techniques to loose weight. In my own experience, I can easily loose weight by just doing a jog and a short set ups and avoid eating fatty foods such as pork , loading much carbo, eating too much sweets, drinking sweet beverages and beers. I only eat meats like chicken, beef and fish, these foods help you loose fats when you pair it with veges. I loose almost 1-2 kilos in two weeks by doing it.

In your experience have you discovered any ways to loose your weight while not consuming much of your time and money?

[ginkgo]

For fastest way to lose weight, see the site in my signature. Meat is sold by the pound so they give hormones to the animals to fatten them up. When you eat thoses animals, that stuff fattens you up. Organic meat does not contain them. Most common spelling mistake. You lose weight and your clothes become loose.

Site below also explains how salt can make you fat and many diet items have lots of salt.

[joelr]

Hormones given to animals do not fatten you up. Even if you took them yourself with a needle.
They are not absorbed through the gut anyway. You cannot drink GH and have it work.



I used to lose 3-4 lbs per week (1.3 - 1.8k) on a high protein, low carb, moderate fat diet plus daily cardio and lifting 4x week.

6 meals
1 or 2 small serving of complex carb daily
vegetables with every meal but no fruit
protein with every meal
1 T of good fat with 2 or 3 meals
lots of water

I came down 65 lbs in 16 weeks and held most of my muscle size.



Right now I'm doing a modified version and losing 2-3 lbs weekly. I'm eating more fruit, a little less protein and not doing 1 whole hr of cardio every single day. More like every other day, 40 min.

Like you have found, it's good to find something that works and go with that. If you get too hardcore it makes you miserable.

[AlmostGodess]

If I skip dinner and I go to the gym each evening for at least 45 min, I loose 5 kilos per week. But I think this method can work very well only for those who wish to loose up to 5-7 kg because it is difficult to skip dinner for a very long time.

[missbhaven]

A GOOD detox with daily exercise.

That's what my boyfriend's mom did. She did a few cleanses (including a period of between 1-2 months on the master cleanse). Along with small sets of exercise thoughout the day soo she wouldn't feel overwhelmingly weak. She lost a lot of weight.

My next friend had a seasonal detox system, only certain organs got detoxed depending on the season. She said she liked it that way soo she didn't stress her body out doing it once a year. Plus she said, she tended to have more healthy habits knowing she would be detoxing soon, but, she wouldn't feel as guilty when she had those moments of indulgence in social situations. But she said it was one of the easiest ways she can maintain her weight over time after working soo hard to get to a certain size.

[Rose of Cairo]

The most effective way I have found to lose weight is

100% raw vegan.

It is amazingly fast and effective. And if you go low-fat raw vegan it's even faster and more amazingly effective.

(As for exercise, exercise is just a natural consequence of that diet anyway)

[Luv]

I'm a lacto vegetarian (no eggs or milk, only sometimes cheese/yogurt) -- but I see that when I cut the dairy out and eat vegan, I lose weight more quickly!

I can eat sweets, chocolate, rice, etc.. and I keep a stable weight. Its only when I consume animal products that it can get out of hand!

Meat & dairy are both a huge contributing factor in obesity.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Luv

I'm a lacto vegetarian (no eggs or milk, only sometimes cheese/yogurt) -- but I see that when I cut the dairy out and eat vegan, I lose weight more quickly!

I can eat sweets, chocolate, rice, etc.. and I keep a stable weight. Its only when I consume animal products that it can get out of hand!

Meat & dairy are both a huge contributing factor in obesity.

Umm, no, they are not. Just because it didn't work for you, doesn't make it so. Most people in America who eat the SAD diet just happen to eat a lot of meat and dairy, but there ARE people who eat a healthy diet which included meat and dairy.

[Mist]

I can easily loose weight by just doing a jog and a short set ups and avoid eating fatty foods such as pork , loading much carbo, eating too much sweets, drinking sweet beverages and beers. I only eat meats like chicken, beef and fish, these foods help you loose fats when you pair it with veges. I loose almost 1-2 kilos in two weeks by doing it.

I think what you mention are not easy to do though.

[glutenfreevegan]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

The most effective way I have found to lose weight is

100% raw vegan.

It is amazingly fast and effective. And if you go low-fat raw vegan it's even faster and more amazingly effective.

(As for exercise, exercise is just a natural consequence of that diet anyway)

iawtc! It's impossible to sit still for long with so many vitamins rushing around.

And it's only as time-consuming and expensive as you make it. I've found this blog to be helpful & inspiring recently:

Raw on $10 a Day (or Less!)

[aelle]

Why would the fastest way to lose weight be the most effective one, or the healthiest?

I lost 45 pounds by going vegan and using slight caloric restriction for a year. I can put on weight as a vegan, but like many other posters have noted, I cannot help but put on weight when I eat dairy.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by glutenfreevegan

iawtc! It's impossible to sit still for long with so many vitamins rushing around.

And it's only as time-consuming and expensive as you make it. I've found this blog to be helpful & inspiring recently:

Raw on $10 a Day (or Less!)

Yeah, $300 a month of food, and this is all you get out of it?
total calories: 1,497
total fat: 79 gr
total carb: 198 gr
total protein: 27 gr

total calories: 1,216
total fat: 89 gr
total carb: 210 gr
total protein: 30 gr

total calories: 1,255
total fat: 64 gr
total carb: 162 gr
total protein: 30 gr
seriously? That's not even enough to sustain a full grown adult. Especially at just 4 tiny little meals a day. That won't satisfy an appetite. Cutting calories is the worse way to lose weight, especially if you are cutting them below what the body NEEDS to survive.

[davidmorgan744]

Here is a answers to your question do the regular exercise and walk. Be careful with the diet. This will surely help you to reduce the weight quickly.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by joelr

Hormones given to animals do not fatten you up. Even if you took them yourself with a needle.
They are not absorbed through the gut anyway. You cannot drink GH and have it work.
.

So your opinion disagrees with mine. What is poor Sarah Wilson to do. She can only say that Ginkgo says one thing and joelr says the opposite.

Here is CBS News agreeing with me. Chemicals in Food Can Make You Fat - The Early Show - CBS News They be say (that is ebonics):

It used to be that diets meant cutting down on the fat and calories, more exercise, more fish in the diet, more fruits and vegetables. That was a healthy diet 50 years ago.

A study in the International Journal of Obesity from researchers at 10 different universities, including Yale University School of Medicine and Johns Hopkins Unversity, found that the use of steroid hormones in meat production and on conventional dairy farms could be a possible contributor to the obesity epidemic.

Consumption of meat from cattle treated with hormones, means you are taking them in, too. Naturally-occurring horomones, such as estrogen, progesterone and testosterone are being pumped into our cattle. In addition, trenbolone acetate or TBA is also givent to cattle to "beef them up." TBA is an anabolic steroid that's eight to 10 times as potent as testosterone. That means if your cattle has it, your meat has it, and you then have it.

They did not get their info from the drunk on the street but from 10 universities so Sarah still has to decide who to believe.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

The most effective way I have found to lose weight is

100% raw vegan.

It is amazingly fast and effective. And if you go low-fat raw vegan it's even faster and more amazingly effective.

(As for exercise, exercise is just a natural consequence of that diet anyway)

I was on a raw vegan forum and they said that they did not know of any fat raw vegans. Although I read a book by 10 people who became raw vegans. Some of them did say that they they went through a period of emaciation where they were extremely skinny. How are you doing, my Rose of Cairo?

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

So your opinion disagrees with mine. What is poor Sarah Wilson to do. She can only say that Ginkgo says one thing and joelr says the opposite.

Here is CBS News agreeing with me. Chemicals in Food Can Make You Fat - The Early Show - CBS News They be say (that is ebonics):

A study in the International Journal of Obesity from researchers at 10 different universities, including Yale University School of Medicine and Johns Hopkins Unversity, found that the use of steroid hormones in meat production and on conventional dairy farms could be a possible contributor to the obesity epidemic.

Consumption of meat from cattle treated with hormones, means you are taking them in, too. Naturally-occurring horomones, such as estrogen, progesterone and testosterone are being pumped into our cattle. In addition, trenbolone acetate or TBA is also givent to cattle to "beef them up." TBA is an anabolic steroid that's eight to 10 times as potent as testosterone. That means if your cattle has it, your meat has it, and you then have it.

They did not get their info from the drunk on the street but from 10 universities so Sarah still has to decide who to believe.

Meat doesn't make people fat. It's everything else they eat that does. These quacks think they've done their research and know what they are talking about, but just like mr china study, they've completely ignored every other factor. Most people who are fat, that eat meat, also eat a ton of other crap!. I don't understand why that concept is so hard to understand. There is no way they did a study of people who eat healthy in ever other aspect, but eat hormone laden beef and dairy products.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

I was on a raw vegan forum and they said that they did not know of any fat raw vegans. Although I read a book by 10 people who became raw vegans. Some of them did say that they they went through a period of emaciation where they were extremely skinny. How are you doing, my Rose of Cairo?

Because most raw vegans barely eat enough to be anything but skinny. For exhibit A, I present my previous post about the website that person posted, where the average calorie intake per day was roughly 1300. OMG, I'm not getting fat on my raw vegan diet!!! It's a miracle....!




DUH

[Luv]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Because most raw vegans barely eat enough to be anything but skinny. For exhibit A, I present my previous post about the website that person posted, where the average calorie intake per day was roughly 1300. OMG, I'm not getting fat on my raw vegan diet!!! It's a miracle....!

DUH

I eat over 2,000+ calories per day, I am 5'8 and 125lbs.

A friend of mine has been raw vegan for over 6 year now and weighs more than I do!! She eats 3,000+ calories daily.

Vegans eat PLENTY enough to sustain life... no one needs animal food pollution to keep strong and healthy (or very well fed for that matter).

Its all a matter of lifestyle choice in the end..

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Luv

I eat over 2,000+ calories per day, I am 5'8 and 125lbs.

A friend of mine has been raw vegan for over 6 year now and weighs more than I do!! She eats 3,000+ calories daily.

Vegans eat PLENTY enough to sustain life... no one needs animal food pollution to keep strong and healthy (or very well fed for that matter).

Its all a matter of lifestyle choice in the end..

You know what they say " it's just an exception to the rule"

This is a thread about losing weight fast. He brought up how people say there are no fat vegans. I gave him a reason for why MOST ( I used that word, not ALL) vegans are so skinny, and usually emaciated looking.

Sure, there are smart vegans out there that don't starve themselves like the person from the website and everyone else who follows her lead. Sure, there are people that eat a lot of calorie dense fatty raw foods, but most do not.

If I remember correctly, both you and your friend way more then gingko.
Eating 3000+ plus of anything will make her weight more then you. I don't know why you used a "!" as if that statement was of any surprise or significance.

Again, just to make things clear. Just because you and your friend don't eat below your calorie needs, doesn't mean every other vegan does the same. Also, I don't know where you even got the idea to post something about animal products, because I just checked my posts in this thread, and saw nothing about having to eat animal products to sustain life. That was not the argument even in the slightest. I did tell gingko that eating meat does not make you fat tho.

If I'm not allowed to stereotype most vegans as not eating enough, then you can't say that most vegans DO eat enough. Simple as that.

PS. lol at " animal food pollution". Such an unbiased opinion you got there. Humans have been filling their stomachs with "animal food pollution" longer then there has been recorded history. And unless you actually believe people like Campbell, animal products ( healthy, free range, organic, raw) will not make you any less healthy then ANYONE.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

So your opinion disagrees with mine. What is poor Sarah Wilson to do. She can only say that Ginkgo says one thing and joelr says the opposite.

uh, ok.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

A study in the International Journal of Obesity from researchers at 10 different universities, including Yale University School of Medicine and Johns Hopkins Unversity, found that the use of steroid hormones in meat production and on conventional dairy farms could be a possible contributor to the obesity epidemic.

Consumption of meat from cattle treated with hormones, means you are taking them in, too. Naturally-occurring horomones, such as estrogen, progesterone and testosterone are being pumped into our cattle. In addition, trenbolone acetate or TBA is also givent to cattle to "beef them up." TBA is an anabolic steroid that's eight to 10 times as potent as testosterone. That means if your cattle has it, your meat has it, and you then have it.

[/INDENT]
They did not get their info from the drunk on the street but from 10 universities so Sarah still has to decide who to believe.

I've shown you before how mis-leading these articles can be.

So no, the article does not agree with you. It says "COULD BE a possible contributor to the obesity epidemic."
Posting a study at least would give something to go on, rather than pure speculation like this article seems to use. They didn't explain anything. The odds that they are stretching is high.


Trenbolone and ALL growth hormones CANNOT absorb through the gut. And the amount of growth hormone in our blood (men and women)is FAR FAR greater than any miniscule amount that could be found in milk. Yes, anabolic hormones are NATURAL. GH, testosterone, during pregnancy women have very high nandrolone (bran name is Deca Durabolin) levels, an extremely potent anabolic steroid. The teeny molecular levels found in any milk doesn't absorb and if it did it wouldn't have any effect.

The amount in UNTREATED COWS is the same as treated cows. So it is unscientific hyperbole at this point to blame steroids and such for any problems.

Why have steroids become the evil scapegoat of drugs? Booze and nicotine should be the focus of most anti-drug propaganda. Then, because of the health care expenses, high fat/carb diets need to be rallied against.

Anyone who cares can read for themselves. Here is a cancer-prevention site posting more accurate and less hyped information:


Consumer Concerns About Hormones in Food


If you bother to check up on woman and early puberty, and can avoid vegetarian/vegan fiction about hormones in meat, you'll see puberty is triggered by Estrogen.

One of the suspected culprits is SOY milk (note the irony). As well as non-hormone chemicals from other sources.

[Lena Carpenter]

Really, another meat eating vs. vegan thread? There are so many of them already.

Easiest way to lose weight that I found? Lots of fruit! I find it odd that people advise against eating fruit for weight loss and raw vegans, who are supposedly "too skinny", eat plenty of fruit! Anyway, I've lost weight before on both diets, one high in animal products, and diet high in raw plants, where most of my calories come from fruit. Weight came off much easier on fruit, so whatever else you say about the healthfulness aspect of it, eating fruit (in mix with lots of greens and raw fats) is the fastest and the easiest way to lose weight. I'm currently eating 2000 calories a day minimum (I'm 5'4) and having nice weight loss going on, and I believe once I reach my ideal weight, it will stabilize on its own, without a need to add food or cut back, just eat to much satisfaction.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

I was on a raw vegan forum and they said that they did not know of any fat raw vegans. Although I read a book by 10 people who became raw vegans. Some of them did say that they they went through a period of emaciation where they were extremely skinny. How are you doing, my Rose of Cairo?

Hey Ginkgo! I'm doing great, thank you, and yourself?

I once read an interesting explanation for this period of extreme emaciation. The author said that when people go raw, the body re-composes itself entirely with the new material and detoxes itself entirely, throwing just everything out, which leads to becoming extremely skinny. Then after everything has been cleaned up, it starts building itself anew, putting on muscle, etc. I found it interesting.

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Because most raw vegans barely eat enough to be anything but skinny. For exhibit A, I present my previous post about the website that person posted, where the average calorie intake per day was roughly 1300. OMG, I'm not getting fat on my raw vegan diet!!! It's a miracle....!

Hehe. It's really an interesting phenomenon. On a cooked diet I tend to totally overeat, and no matter how much I eat, I still feel like I need more... and on a raw diet I don't eat much. Unlike cooked food, raw food is not addictive, so I really just eat only what I need and not more. Usually something between 700 and 1200 kcal a day. And I'm not hungry! I feel perfectly fine and just don't need more. It's awesome.

Originally Posted by Lena Carpenter

Anyway, I've lost weight before on both diets, one high in animal products, and diet high in raw plants, where most of my calories come from fruit. Weight came off much easier on fruit, so whatever else you say about the healthfulness aspect of it, eating fruit (in mix with lots of greens and raw fats) is the fastest and the easiest way to lose weight.

Exact same experience here.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Lena Carpenter

Anyway, I've lost weight before on both diets, one high in animal products, and diet high in raw plants, where most of my calories come from fruit. Weight came off much easier on fruit, so whatever else you say about the healthfulness aspect of it, eating fruit (in mix with lots of greens and raw fats) is the fastest and the easiest way to lose weight. I'm currently eating 2000 calories a day minimum (I'm 5'4) and having nice weight loss going on, and I believe once I reach my ideal weight, it will stabilize on its own, without a need to add food or cut back, just eat to much satisfaction.

How many lbs lost per week?


A diet "high in animal products" doesn't say much. You mean something like Atkins? High carb, low carb, high fat, low fat??

A diet high in animal products could be high animal fat or low in all fat or low animal fat but high healthy fats.

For example I use a diet high in animal protein but low in animal fat. I use only healthy fats and limit complex carbs to 1x daily. I'm sure there are other good ways to lose weight. I don't know for sure though if there are other diets that can help keep muscle and shed 4 lbs fat per week?

With a mostly fruit diet any man would become Mick Jagger skinny.
I mean, if that's your thing that's cool but a lot of men don't want to be that skinny. Or Women.

Losing ~10 lbs or so is no big deal, that cab be done any old way. I'm talking about longer-term diets where folks are looking to lose 50-100+ lbs.

Without a fair amount of protein AND resistance training muscle loss will always be high on diets. Even with those factors muscle loss is a big problem. Huge. All those bodybuilders and fitness dudes who diet down to 4% bf and still have huge muscles are using steroids. Trenbolone in particular tends to cause bodyfat to fall off and makes the body real hard and vascular. Even if you eat junk food! They stack that with testosterone and add metabolism raising thermogenics, legal and illegal like Clenbuterol. That's just the non-pro smaller guys. so guys shouldn't be too disappointed when they can't look exactly like a fitness model.


The other thing is it's very hard to realize how much muscle you lost unless your training at a gym and keeping track of your strength.
Just using the mirror at home is deceiving. I took a long lay off from the gym once then just did running outside for a few months. I thought I was close to the same size but in the gym mirrors I saw how small I had gotten.

Thank goodness for muscle memory.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by joelr

With a mostly fruit diet any man would become Mick Jagger skinny.
I mean, if that's your thing that's cool but a lot of men don't want to be that skinny. Or Women.

I'm on a mostly fruit diet. I haven't been losing jack squat. Calorie intake is at 2300. Protein from 3-5 raw eggs, and various nuts.

[Piercetheveil]

"losing weight" can mean many things.

I am rarely interested in losing muscle mass (though there was a time I needed to do that).

Are we talking about fat loss here?

I vibe with captain Joel. Though, I now do intermittent fasting (Intermittent fasting for fat loss, muscle gain and health ) to produce my losses. Three meals a day done in around 8 hours. I take in most of my protein from meat. I drop about 4 lbs a week of fat. It is no big deal. To gain weight I add a few more carbs and more calories and my meal timing is a bit different.

The 16 hours of fasting almost every day took a bit to get use to however, I never wake up hungry and my body is used to my eating times now.

I will be trying a few days vegan a week here soon.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

I'm on a mostly fruit diet. I haven't been losing jack squat. Calorie intake is at 2300. Protein from 3-5 raw eggs, and various nuts.

You mean the only protein you eat in one day is 3-5 eggs and some nuts?

For one thing how long have you been eating that way. The other thing is your protein requirement is lower if you're not weight training.

But from that pic you look like you already ARE very skinny with little mass.

I don't mean it as an insult, it's just your body type, nothing wrong with being skinny. Ed Norton is skinny, he's cool as hell.

Maintaining a skinny physique doesn't require much.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by joelr

You mean the only protein you eat in one day is 3-5 eggs and some nuts?

For one thing how long have you been eating that way. The other thing is your protein requirement is lower if you're not weight training.

But from that pic you look like you already ARE very skinny with little mass.

I don't mean it as an insult, it's just your body type, nothing wrong with being skinny. Ed Norton is skinny, he's cool as hell.

Maintaining a skinny physique doesn't require much.

I've been eating fairly healthy for a few months now. A LOT of fruits. Only recently have I actually gotten my calorie intake to 2300, just to see what will happen.
So far my protien intake has been ranging in the 80-120 mark. I'm trying to figure out ways to increase it, tho keep in mind that currently I'm trying to avoid processed and or cooked as much as possible. Tho after workout days, I do drink 12 grams of protien casein shake. I'm shooting for more protien on work out days . I've introduced raw tuna into my diet, and will be going for raw milk and beef, now that I have a reliable supplier. I don't know if this is even the type of diet you'd go for, but work with me here lol.

this is my current body composition and no insult has been taken lol
5'7"
155.2
body fat 19.1% 29.64 lbs
muscle 41.0% 63.632 lbs

pictures are very deceiving. I've always been the " oh you look so skinny" even when I weighed 180. I obviously want to shed enough to get to the body fat range where the 6 pack starts showing. So either I lose another 15 lbs of fat, or mix and match losing fat with gaining muscle, to get to the 10% and below range.

[Strangemagik]

All I have to say is read "The China Study" and you may rethink any high protein diet on the basis of animal protein anyhow.

As a person that has never really liked meat(texture or taste) I can say these things in the book only fortify my desire to get to and stay vegan. Its not so much that meat is bad for us its that it is not the same meat they started eating centuries ago. Consuming animal protein by way of meat started up as a keep up with the Jones type deal. It was the thing to do to show your wealth. Well look at us now. Out of the countries that have highly profitable meat factory industries, most would agree the incidence of obesity have increased, I think the numbers speak for themselves.

In China in some areas they eat well over 3000 calories, very little of it fat and small portion protein yet how many overweight Chinese folks do you see(that aren't, here, eating SAD). They are also very active which is why their body probably requires 3000 calories for basic survival.

Losing more than 10 lbs a month is probably going to leave you short on lean muscle and still hanging around with "fat".

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Strangemagik

All I have to say is read "The China Study" and you may rethink any high protein diet on the basis of animal protein anyhow.

As a person that has never really liked meat(texture or taste) I can say these things in the book only fortify my desire to get to and stay vegan. Its not so much that meat is bad for us its that it is not the same meat they started eating centuries ago. Consuming animal protein by way of meat started up as a keep up with the Jones type deal. It was the thing to do to show your wealth. Well look at us now. Out of the countries that have highly profitable meat factory industries, most would agree the incidence of obesity have increased, I think the numbers speak for themselves.

In China in some areas they eat well over 3000 calories, very little of it fat and small portion protein yet how many overweight Chinese folks do you see(that aren't, here, eating SAD). They are also very active which is why their body probably requires 3000 calories for basic survival.

Losing more than 10 lbs a month is probably going to leave you short on lean muscle and still hanging around with "fat".

How about no? I've read all about the China study, and I've read opposing view points, and it all has led me to want to consume animal proteins even more.
Yet another independent debunking of "The China Study" book
or if you really wanna be smart, read this one .
The China Study vs the China study | The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D.

[Strangemagik]

ok whatever floats your boat. There is a difference between reading ABOUT the china study and reading THE China study. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate. But I believe we don't need as much protein as meat industry wants us to believe. I'm not against meat but for me just saying OP might want to read and decide if they want to continue with high protein. It may drop pounds quick but I can see by the macrobiotics of food that eating too much protein can cause issues with your heart and kidneys.

I'm with you on the fact people can and do eat healthy balanced meals with meat and lose. I did it before myself but the important thing is dieting on high protein isn't going to give last results unless you eat that way FOREVER. I'm not discounting its possible but I don't feel the author was being dishonest in his findings of its outcome with cancer. Even if rats aren't the same as humans. I just know how I feel when I don't eat meat.

And he didn't "demonize" meat he demonized the toxins and hormones that are now in meat.

I'll stand up right next to you and say its not meat that makes us overweight it was just a statement. I've never been a big meat eater and got overweight anyway. Lost weight on a balanced portioned diet of veggies, grains and YES even meat(more chicken and some ground beef) had a baby and its been hard since except when I'm eating mostly raw. The point I meant to get out was that following a diet is not the way to lose weight. You may lose a lot but its bound to be water and little fat but also lean muscle mass that we don't want to be losing.