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About your experiences I'd say some people can handle vegetarianism well (I'm one of them as long as I'm wheat free) and others not so well. Those who say "everyone will fail as a vegan or vegetarian" or "everyone will succeed as a vegan or vegetarian" are delusional. In my experience black people seem to have more success as vegans and predictably Nordic types less success (though I'm of Northern European stock and I do pretty well). | ||
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I love animals, that's why I eat them.
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We're all very much focused on the physical benefits of a non-vegetarian diet, however, you should realize that eating meat offers no spiritual benefits. I don't think anyone here has talked about the spiritual benefits of a vegetarian diet. Keeping away from flesh has great increased my ability to meditate and keep my mind clear of unwanted thoughts (less disturbance). Not to mention I am able to sit still without any movement/pain in meditation for nearly an hour.. (which I'm practicing to increase) If you're a believer in the idea that our purpose while on earth should be God-realization, then it's pretty obvious by experimentation with your own body that certain foods inhibit further stages of meditation. We can talk and debate all we want on the physical benefits.. to which I would agree that eating meat would probably give you a more muscular body.. but that's all meaningless if you realize that YOU are NOT the physical body.. but YOU are actually the soul within that body... Ultimately, my view is that you should decide what diet is best for you based on your ultimate goal.. If your goal is to have a great physique.. then by all means go for the meat diet.. If your goal is to realize your true potential (soul).. then a vegetarian diet is ideal..
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I'd agree with the assertion that vegetarianism, veganism or, for that matter, a meat-eating diet isn't for everyone. What I wouldn't agree with is trying to extrapolate your personal experience to some sort of universal truth. Personally, trying to rationalize your own experience in this manner is not only intellectually dishonest but a huge waste of time. If I remember correctly our associate Mr. Pavlina did a blog entry about health studies that suggested that it was pretty much pointless to base your health decisions on them. In addition to other considerations, "everyone has an agenda". I'd extend this to include dietary matters. It doesn't matter how much research and study you do on the subject when you've already made up your mind one way or the other going in. http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...-about-health/
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I dont eat meat because 1) I dont like it and 2) I can't abide the cruelty in the poultry and cattle market. I have not eaten meat for over ten years. I substitute soy protien and nuts. My diet also includes supplements for those nutrients I cannot get in a vegan diet. I am sixty years old, slim and very healthy. I often wonder why a person feels free to slaughter and eat a calf when they would protest the killing and consumption of puppies. Whether one is vegan or not, healthy eating depends on making intelligent choices.
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| Legendary Member | Oh, please. Do you believe your focus and ability to meditate effectively or become more attuned with your spirit is greater than Mr. Conan's? Just look at him. Do you realize how much focus, how much alignment with spirit it takes to build a "temple" like his?
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| If the good lord doesn't want us to eat animals why did he make them so tasty? \
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| Legendary Member | No, I'm more of a jazz musician groupie. It's just the attitude that sitting cross-legged, speaking softly, burning incense, and eating yeast is somehow more spiritual than taking real, focused action to increase your vitality, strength, and personal power -- because "you are not your body" ...... pish posh. feh.
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| as nina plank said, a video of industrial farming is enough to make a veggie out of anyone -but that is just another reason why i buy grass fed and free range beef and poultry -i used to think that was whacky granola stuff but it really makes sense both from health and moral grounds a well raised cow raised as a cow should be is good for the cow and us
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A person aligned with spirit comes to the realization that the mind, the senses, the body... are just illusions.. ultimately those are the very things that make humans attached to worldly desires.. For example, we want to indulge in things that taste good, or feel great, etc.. which is fine, it's part of human nature... However the challenge is to go beyond that.. and if you do research on any true spiritual teaching, it will promote detachment of worldly desires.. How else can you focus your energy on spirit if you have so many worldly distractions taking your focus away from your goal? A 'temple' is not judged by how well it's built.. but rather how pure it is from the inside...
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- - - I'd have to say that giving your power away to food causes great confusion. | |
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Babuji, you speak as though you are giving us "The Truth" about what it means to be spiritual: there is one way, and it is the way you describe. But your truth is yours, it's not mine. It appears to me, from what Conan has said on this site, what he's accomplished, and what he strives for, that he is every bit as aligned with spirit as you are. Also, a temple, or any structure, is indeed valued by how well it is built. Purity, schmurity. (Narz, I'm pretty sure you were responding to something other than my point. I was only suggesting that vegetarianism does not confer a higher sense of the spiritual than does any other eat-ism, not that he's fit because he doesn't eat meat.) (Conan, sorry for speaking of you in the third person.) |
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Just to add my two cents worth, I'm a vegetarian and I'm healthier than I'd been as a flesheater. Anyway, I'm not one of those herbivorous crusaders that go around attacking people who eat meat. In fact, I think it's hypocritical because some vegetarians claim that they don't eat meat because of the cruelty imposed on the animals, but then attack meat eaters viciously. Talk about not practicing what you preach. I'm not one of those. My vegetarianism is a matter of lifestyle choice. It contributes (along with other factors) to my healthy well being and lifestyle. Vegetarianism or meat eating...whatever floats your boat. All is good! |
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My post is purely to bring attention to the fact that many people think eating vegetarian is healthy, no matter what they eat when there are in fact dangers and responsibilities people still need to take into account when planning their diet. Also the "protein myth" as you call it is severely debunked. If you would care to come to Cambodia with me and see the race of 4.5 foot tall people living in the war ravaged areas - their height due to lack of protein in their diets as children. And yes they had plenty of fruits and Veg - they live in the jungle. I have personal friends who are this height, yet their children on the same diet with meat added are 5.5 feet tall, or more - in this generation here now it is becoming increasingly common to see Asians over 6 feet in height - previously unheard of in this part of Asia. Having travelled widely I can speak from experience in this matter.
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I agree with Angela. It takes tremendous will power (spiritual power?) to do what Conan is doing. Read his blog and tell me if he isn't spiritual.
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Is it because of meat protein specifically or the growth hormones used in modern cattle farming? I'm not aware of any studies that show meat itself causing people to grow taller. The Japanese are also suffering from a booming obesity rate, if you want to tack on more effects of cattle protein. I don't think meat is the problem per se, so much as the quantity of meat. The North American meat-centric diet where the bulk of protein comes from low quality, high-fat meat just isn't that healthy. I think even the bloated, meat-filled corpse of Dr. Atkins would agree to that by now. I'm striving for the model of "5 days a week" vegan, with good quality fish or chicken for 2 meals a week. |
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japan's obesity rate has to do with eating industrialized foods and the growth of fast food chains. The healtiest and longest lived people in the world - Sarindians, Owkinaowins, - had meat, cheese and fish in their diets. | |
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Remember hundred years ago what kind of oil or fat our heart disease free ancestors generally consumed .. It's .... Sigh Last edited by escapee; 03-09-2007 at 06:01 PM. | |
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I would agree withthe quality of meat that most people eat is not good - in fact I beleive anything processed is going to be bad for you in general. Zombie I know quiet a few people who use this kind of diet an dI have to admit yes it is a healthy approach (as long as your vegies are not processed) For me though I need this body type for my chosen career and I happen to like it. Why put your spirit around in this world in a go-cart when you can have a Ferrari? (spelling?). Personally if I was out of shape and not 100% healthy looking then I would be kicking myself up the butt for being lazy - but I do that in all aspects of my life. Also I would like to say THANKS to everyone posting in this thread and making it a real discussion rather than a flame fest.
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