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View Poll Results: Do you drink raw milk
yes, I think its healtheir 8 38.10%
unpastorized milk? are you nuts 4 19.05%
don't know enought about it 3 14.29%
don't care 1 4.76%
isn'at available where i live 5 23.81%
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Old 03-04-2007, 04:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Raw Milk.

i just think it tastes better...but its supposed to have a lot of benefits. do you drink it?
Raw milk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why a Campaign for Real Milk?
Nina Planck Articles: The Virtues of Raw Milk
The Virtues of Raw Milk

Raw milk contains heat-sensitive folic acid and vitamins B6 and C.

Raw milk contains important heat-sensitive enzymes:

* LACTASE to absorb and digest the milk sugar lactose
* LIPASE to absorb and digest milk fats
* PHOSPHATASE to absorb calcium, which allows for digestion of lactose.
Other Benefits of Raw Milk

* Raw milk has beneficial bacteria, including lactic acids, which live in the intestines, aid digestion, boost immunity, and may eliminate dangerous bacteria.
* Raw milk makes superior cheese, with more healthy bacteria and complex flavor.
* Raw cream contains a cortisone-like agent, which combats arthritis.
* Raw butter contains the anti-arthritic agent myristoleic acid.
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Raw by all means! I just make it a point to only drink organic goat milk.

I can't handle cow's well, for some reason. Love goat's.
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I would buy it (if it weren't about as legal as Heroin) if I knew the farmer very well, or better yet, had my own cow (something about the size of a Dexter) or goats. I remember having raw milk as a teenager, and it didn't kill me.
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I would buy it (if it weren't about as legal as Heroin) if I knew the farmer very well, or better yet, had my own cow (something about the size of a Dexter) or goats. I remember having raw milk as a teenager, and it didn't kill me.
depends on the state you live in, fortunately in mine its pretty easy.
raw milk cheese is a bit easier to find.
almost all of the problems that led to pasterizing came from overcrowded urban dairies where the cows were fed whisky mash - factory farming and raw milk don't mix.
Forunately where i live there is a big but humane dairy that sells in the farmers markets.
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I don't mess with cow's dairy but I do enjoy raw goat's and sheep's cheese.

CA & CONN are the only states that allow raw dairy. Stupid America.
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I don't mess with cow's dairy but I do enjoy raw goat's and sheep's cheese.

CA & CONN are the only states that allow raw dairy. Stupid America.
I get it at farmer's markets in NY also there are ways around it....
Raw milk may be purchased from the farm in 28 states, under varying restrictions. In California, Connecticut, Maine, New Mexico and South Carolina, it may be purchased in stores. In every state but Michigan, raw milk may be purchased "for animal consumption."

The only real restriction is it can't cross state lines.

it does remind me however that big agricompanies push for these regulations because it pushes small farms out - a classic example is cider:
Toxic Regulation by David Schoenbrod, City Journal Spring 2006
The Apple Processors Association, dominated by large companies, urged the FDA to require that all juice be pasteurized. That would have been ruinous for small cider producers. At that time, equipment that pasteurizes in a flash cost upward of $70,000. Even budget pasteurizers cost $25,000, but they are prone to cook the taste out of cider and require extra employees to operate. Cider that tasted like canned apple juice, plus higher operating costs, spelled bankruptcy to Dan and Susan. Not so for the members of the Apple Processors Association.

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You forgot: "I don't eat/drink dairy, period" in your poll.
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You forgot: "I don't eat/drink dairy, period" in your poll.
ditto... i use almond milk
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walnut milk is da' bomb, I make it myself.
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I would drink raw milk if it were readily available (and in fact used to get it from an Amish farmer), but at this point I simply don't drink milk anymore.
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walnut milk is da' bomb, I make it myself.
Since I know walnut butter seems to be so expensive compared to cashew, almond, or peanut butter, I'm curious: how much does it cost to make a pitcher of walnut milk?
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So, whay your saying is, I'm noy really lactose intolerant. It's just the milk has been pasturized, and the Lactase has been removed, as well as the many other beneficial ingredieents, and hence, I've got a latose digestion problem?

I used to drink raw milk, as I lived on a farm, and we had our own cows. I remember how great it tasted back then.
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Also, homoginized, which breaks down the fat, making it able to pass through our own body filters, and into our system in a way that causes us to get too much fat/high colesterol.

I just learned about this this tear.

If unsanitary conditions lead to milk being pasturized, due to causing it to be unsafe for human consumption, then why can't pasturization, and homoginization, with all the diseases it leads to, also be considered conditions that render milk to be unfit for consumption?

All they had to do was to clean up, and use better sanitary practices, then they would not have had to start the whole pasturization, process.

Does anyone know why the homogizing process began?
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Also, homoginized, which breaks down the fat, making it able to pass through our own body filters, and into our system in a way that causes us to get too much fat/high colesterol.

I just learned about this this tear.

If unsanitary conditions lead to milk being pasturized, due to causing it to be unsafe for human consumption, then why can't pasturization, and homoginization, with all the diseases it leads to, also be considered conditions that render milk to be unfit for consumption?

All they had to do was to clean up, and use better sanitary practices, then they would not have had to start the whole pasturization, process.

Does anyone know why the homogizing process began?
homgenizing started because fat would get unevenly distributed when transporting it in large containers (like milk trucks) the cream would go to the top. (the cream by the way is so supposed to be a great antiinflammatory)
some people would get creamy rich milk people people would get skim

The fat in grass fed dairy milk is 'good' fat- helps absorb vitamins and such - there are also some studies suggesting it helps reduce belly fat (raw milk cheese as well) Nina Planck's book goes into that a bit. (she's got a whole chapeter on raw milk)

i agree about dairys - pasteurization started because of unclean overcrowded urban whiskey mash dairies - (they were next to distilleries and the mash scraps were used as cow feed)

Most corprorate agrafarming needs tons of anti bodies and pasterization because of the unclean conditions created by overcrowding industrial farming...so it turns out what is good for cows is good of us - farms where they can graze and live like cows should.
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I voted yes because I used to drink it when I was a young kid when my dad worked on a farm. I agree, I do think it's healthier. It's probably available from a local farmer if I looked around hard enough but I'll settle on soy "milk" or organic milk.
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