The Sexual Energy Contingent

[Nameless One]

I'm surprised to see so many guys interested in retaining their seed lately... I came to this forum and started with a trial of doing so myself, but at some point I just gave up. I guess I wasn't willing to pay the price, and I'm also kind of pissed because I think I disappointed this dude on this forum MiBeloved who's totally down with the esoteric shiznits and I wanted to prove to him I could do it.

If any of you people trying to save your sexual energy and operate at higher energy levels are interested in doing a little joint sexual continence challenge, I'm all up for it, so chime in would ya? Let's make this fun... well as fun as it can be without "having fun" he he he

[supertom]

hey nameless one, we did the trial together if you remember.

[ginkgo]

People have really gotten this issue confused. You cannot save your sexual energy. But you can do something that causes it not to be produced. Moses fathered children. Psychic Sylvia Brown says Jesus had a child with Mary. Many people have problems with erectile dysfunction so is your goal to be like them?

Here is something that you can do that will stop you from using sexual energy since you will not have any. Do fasting where you only drink water and all that energy will go into healing the body. Even the sexual energy will go into healing instead of being rpoduced but it takes over a week of fasting until there is no sexual energy left. Crazy people have done what you want to do but have any famous people done it?

OK now no one famous ever fasted, right? Except both Moses and Jesus Christ fasted for 40 days! Then Pythogoras fasted. He was followed in fasting by Socrates, Aristotle and Plato. The 3 fathers of modern medicine used fasting-- Moe, Larry and Curly. Just kidding-- they were Hippocrates, Galen and Paracelsus.

Did Jesus say that you should save your sexual energy by yourself and not ask for others to help you. He said nothing about it. But he did say that you should fast by yourself and not use fasting to try to impress others. Do not worry about what comes out of your body. Control what goes into your body.

What do MDs say about this. Gabriel Cousins M.D. is a psychiatrist, faster, rabbi and someone who promotes a raw diet. He says not to fight your desire to masturbate since people need a certain amount of pleasure.

[Kishka]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

...What do MDs say about this. Gabriel Cousins M.D. is a psychiatrist, faster, rabbi and someone who promotes a raw diet. He says not to fight your desire to masturbate since people need a certain amount of pleasure.

Okay, I think I'm a little bit in love with the good Dr. Cousins. I liked and respected him before but that took me over the top...

[supertom]

the the orgasm produces the pleasure not ejaculation.

-Lesson master orgasm without ejaculating is your solution

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by Kishka

Okay, I think I'm a little bit in love with the good Dr. Cousins. I liked and respected him before but that took me over the top...

Here is some medical information. The only function that the clitoris has is pleasure. There is no other reason for it to exist. Women have no problem with this issue. Maybe men who have a problem with this wish that they were a woman.

[Kishka]

Thanks for the tidbit Ginkgo, Im very familiar with this concept

[MiBeloved]

I think your recent effort was a success since it gave you some real information about the power of sex expression. If you are up against someone and do not know his strengths and weaknesses, then your defeat at this hands could be the prelude to your ultimate victory, depending on whether you were able to gage his strength and observe his weakness.

If you take what you learnt and apply it now, then you will be closer to your aim.

So much for encouragement.

Now here is the punch line:

Nature may be disinclined to giving you or any human being 100 % control of sex expression. If that is true, then understanding when Nature is going to take charge and when Nature will allow you to command everything, is important. Since sex drive is tied to reproduction in the human species, we can expect that Nature will reserve some rights to the control of it. So if you can figure that in, you might have more realistic goals, unless you think that you can ignore nature 100% and that would sure put you in the Nut House.

[Nameless One]

Based on my experience thus far, I have seen that not only is there an increase in my energy, on all sorts of levels, that I have not found the limit to yet, when not releasing sexual energy through orgasm, but also that upon releasing this energy after saving up a lot of it, my body was very upset and weakened and I was very angry over the next 2-3 days, flying into rages and bloodlust.

[MiBeloved]

Originally Posted by Nameless One

Based on my experience thus far, I have seen that not only is there an increase in my energy, on all sorts of levels, that I have not found the limit to yet, when not releasing sexual energy through orgasm, but also that upon releasing this energy after saving up a lot of it, my body was very upset and weakened and I was very angry over the next 2-3 days, flying into rages and bloodlust.

There is a way to cause that energy to be distributed in the psyche as fast as it is created but the natural system is the hormone system where the energy stores up. That drives a person for sex sooner or later when it reaches a crest and the system can no longer hold the charge.

And when it is released, there is a downer feeling, like if a plane rose high in the sky and then lost thrust and fell out of the sky.

[Nameless One]

Still at it, been 4.5 days, everythings become more intense for me, but I feel that my organs/glands/nerves are still healing from the sexual abuse so the real fun hasn't begun yet, but maybe after a few weeks my biological system will be fully restored in this aspect, and I will know what it's like to be biologically fully sexually charged. I believe the real fun will begin once the body is fully recovered, sexually, but that may be weeks or months off.

Yea, definately the biggest "problem" in sexual energy saving is that the more there is, the more likely it will be spent. When I save up enough sexual energy, I lose interest in masturbation, but I gain interest in sex, and I begin to have sex dreams. I never had a nocturnal emmission before until I first began attempting to save sexual energy. While working on saving, I had dream sex and orgasms, but no physical ejaculation. Once I stopped working on saving, all that built up energy lead to two or three dream sex instances which actually did lead to physical ejaculation.

So saving sexual energy builds it up to higher levels, but at each level, there is a corresponding way to spend it.

It's kind of like becoming rich, or getting a higher paying job, and moving up to a higher income bracket. When someone has more money, suddenly they can buy more expensive things, and go right back down to zero. The only difference is what you can buy. With 10 dollars I can buy a cheap meal, some fruit, or a cheap knife. With a million dollars I can buy a decent suburban home. Either way the money gets spent, and puts someone back down to zero

[MiBeloved]

There is one thing which you are silent about, at least, I might be deaf and cannot hear of it from you, and that is reproduction.

Sex for pleasure and sex for just energy or hormone release, does not necessarily take into account nature's big motive which is reproduction.

How are you looking at that or does that have a zero value from the way you are looking at it?

[joelr]

I understand the concept of "spiritual energy" but sex being a purely physical phenomenon doesn't seem like something that fits well with the idea of such subtle energies. Sexual Energy?

If you check out these chemicals: norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin, nitric oxide and the hormone prolactin - a human hormone related to the feeling of sexual satisfaction, you can see they are all released after orgasm and pretty much cause all the post-orgasm problems.

I bet if you took away those chemicals then that would be it, no energy loss, no weird side effects.

I have to say I've never liked all the weird feelings after orgasm. I never knew it could effect someone all day? Wow.

[MiBeloved]

If you are using a cell phone or even a computer then you are indirectly accepting the idea of subtle energy. A phone call involved a physical gadget and also a subtle signal passing through the atmosphere, so why believe in that and completely cross out subtle sexual energy.

Anyway have it your way.

[Nameless One]

Originally Posted by MiBeloved

There is one thing which you are silent about, at least, I might be deaf and cannot hear of it from you, and that is reproduction.

Sex for pleasure and sex for just energy or hormone release, does not necessarily take into account nature's big motive which is reproduction.

How are you looking at that or does that have a zero value from the way you are looking at it?

As I understand it reproduction is the instinctual goal, sex being pleasurable and on the forefront of minds and motivation is merely the means to that end. To me, reproduction is the biggest sexual expense of all. Consciously I do not want to reproduce, but I'm sure my body has a completely different agenda

Ever notice how there are so many people who are "trying" to "get pregnant" for months or years, and then 1 quick fling results in so many pregnancies

[Nameless One]

Originally Posted by joelr

I have to say I've never liked all the weird feelings after orgasm. I never knew it could effect someone all day? Wow.

All I know is that the less orgasms I have, the more alive I feel, I even feel more light physically. Yesterday I was marvelling at how easy it was for me to lift my body up tree branches one arm at a time freehanging, and today I was marvelling at how I could fall into a pushup position onto my fingertips and feel no strain on the fingers. I also have seen that my energy in this respect keeps increasing as I do not spend it.

[Nameless One]

Originally Posted by supertom

hey nameless one, we did the trial together if you remember.

Hows it going for you anyway??????

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by joelr

I understand the concept of "spiritual energy" but sex being a purely physical phenomenon doesn't seem like something that fits well with the idea of such subtle energies. Sexual Energy?

So because something is felt strongly physically, it can't also be spiritual, or it makes it less spiritual?

Is this spirituality a dual opposite to 'physicallity'?

I'll bet that scientists can find that experienced buddhist meditators release a different mix of 'brain chemicals' than the average person when they are meditating. I'll bet that they'll also find a strong correlation with how deep their meditation feels, and how 'slow' their brainwaves are. Does that make their practice less spiritual? No.




Can you even describe what this elusive 'spiritual energy' is?

[FazK]

I can't tell you how many times i have seen this come up on this and other forums.

As soon as a guy gets into personal development, one of the first things they think they need to do is stop masturbating.

Personally i do it once a week and leave it at that.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Elrond

So because something is felt strongly physically, it can't also be spiritual, or it makes it less spiritual?

Is this spirituality a dual opposite to 'physicallity'?

I'll bet that scientists can find that experienced buddhist meditators release a different mix of 'brain chemicals' than the average person when they are meditating. I'll bet that they'll also find a strong correlation with how deep their meditation feels, and how 'slow' their brainwaves are. Does that make their practice less spiritual? No.




Can you even describe what this elusive 'spiritual energy' is?

Yes meditation does cause different chemical releases. But meditation is also supposedly a way to access this spiritual realm (assuming here that it does exist). Sex is a physical process that may have no counterpart in the spiritual. In that sense I suspect sexual energy is just hormones and chemicals.
So if consciousness leaves the body and does continue to exist after death sexual feelings might not be something that is experienced by this transcendent being. It is postulated sometimes that the only emotions that may follow this experience are related to love.

So consciousness may be connected to types of energies yet unknown, some type of energy being (this is the essence of religion and metaphysics) beyond a physical body. If that is true I'm saying I don't think that energy has a sexuality like the physical body does. We can't increase the flow of "sexual energy" in that sense because there is no such thing.

This energy obviously is unknown, I have no description? If you find the concepts to be fiction altogether then you would agree there is no sexual energy and also any energy at all related to consciousness except for our known electromagnetic spectrum.

A parallel might be to say "I have too much jealous energy". To me there is no jealous energy, just chemical reactions.
But consciousness being related to some energies beyond the physical, yes that I find possible.


What you say about meditation and chemicals, yes, that could totally make meditation less spiritual. Absolutely. In fact because of that, neuro-scientists are now saying "Look, see, it's all just chemicals, no spirit...Ha!..."

I hope that's not true but it's something to consider.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by joelr

Yes meditation does cause different chemical releases. But meditation is also supposedly a way to access this spiritual realm (assuming here that it does exist). Sex is a physical process that may have no counterpart in the spiritual. In that sense I suspect sexual energy is just hormones and chemicals.

Strong argument bro. So meditation is SUPPOSEDLY a way to access the spiritual realm. And sex MAY have no counterpart in the spiritual realm. I could just have easily said that 'sex is a physical process that MAY have a counterpart in the spiritual'. And then say that I suspect that it does have a counterpart in the spiritual. You are just running off the axiom of eastern beliefs that say that meditation is spiritual when it comes to believing in that , but all too easily dismiss the spiritual side of sex, because it is much less common as a spiritual topic, it seems.

But let's just assume that meditation is a gateway to the spiritual. Let's say someone finds out that there is a strong correlation with the brain chemistry that many different meditators exhibit when in a deep trance. When one of the meditators experience something that you might call 'a strong feeling of connectedness' in experiential terms, the scientists see a strong correlation between this testimony and a specific brain chemistry. You could say that hey meditation isn't so mystical after all. Yes, that would be true. BUT, it doesn't mean that it isn't spiritual. It might very well be that the meditator experienced a more interconnected state, and this was simply reflected in his physiological self. On the one hand, the mediation was just hormones and chemicals. But on the other, he got closer to everything that exists.

The same thing might be with sex. It's my impression that in many eastern practices, sex can be used for spiritual purposes. Besides, I'll bet that the physical responses of sex are more documented than the physical responses of meditation. Thus, meditation is by definition more mystical than sex. So it is easier to give it transcendent meaning, to fill in the wholes. :P

So if consciousness leaves the body and does continue to exist after death sexual feelings might not be something that is experienced by this transcendent being. It is postulated sometimes that the only emotions that may follow this experience are related to love.

lol... more of this 'might', 'may', 'supposedly' wording.

I see your point though. But you have to entertain the possibility that sexual feelings can be experienced in the spiritual, too. You could have a stroke and lose the ability to verbally express yourself, the abstract reasoning to make up mathematical equations, and the motor skills to feed yourself. Does that mean that you are a spiritual retard? hahah... when you die, and therefor your brain also, would you lose all the talents attributed to the brain? Or would essential stuff carry over, like cognition, feelings etc?

You could also have a totally different theory, a theory that says that 'life in the spiritual' is totally different than life in the physical, and that almost nothing carries over. Than it might be true that sexual feelings don't cross over. But it will also be true that most things don't cross over, and it would bring into question the theory of certain things being more spiritual than others. Cause' if almost nothing carried over to the spiritual, than almost nothing would be spiritual.

You could also say that maybe this 'carry over to the spiritual' emotion called 'love' is also easily detectable as some sort of hormone.

What you say about meditation and chemicals, yes, that could totally make meditation less spiritual. Absolutely. In fact because of that, neuro-scientists are now saying "Look, see, it's all just chemicals, no spirit...Ha!..."

I hope that's not true but it's something to consider.

Science doesn't necessarily discredit spirituality, unless it finds results that contradict spiritual theories. It just demystifies things.

[joelr]

I know that finding chemical reasons for say, feelings of connectedness, which has been done, does not mean it's not still spiritual. I know the "out" that is used to still be able to say these feelings are still spiritual.

Both sides have arguments. But about sexual energy, I'm making this hypothesis based on what I know. Of course you can say "maybe sex has a spiritual counterpart". You can say anything. But then it's just debating for the sake of debating.
I'm using Eastern axioms because I believe the spiritual information from that world is more accurate than anything I could just make up.
You mentioned the spiritual side of sex that I'm dismissing, well what exactly is that? That's the crux right there. I'm not seeing any. Yeah when you're in love with someone it's great sex but the spiritual aspect in that is the love, not what your bodies are doing at any given time.

I don't see any reason to think any survival type "reward" behaviors like eating fat/sugar, using opiates or having lustful sex translates into anything in a supposed transcendent world. Even having a sexual orientation of male/female is a biological thing.

Once organisms evolved beyond self reproduction a way was needed to strongly and without question drive the male and female to exchange the proper parts. The split only happened because it was better for survival to split things up. There could be intelligent life elsewhere that doesn't even use sex for reproduction. No male/female, everyone can reproduce asexually. Their society might not even have couples. Just love between friends and families. I don't know what their mythologies would be like. Would they still recognize a male/female aspect to things? An aggressive protector and a nurturing gatherer? Maybe they wouldn't think in terms of that duality? I dunno.

Mythologies contain aspects of sexuality for different reasons. One is a metaphorical idea of creation reflected in the process of the female giving life. Sexual images in mythology are not always literal.

[Nameless One]

So its been 11.5 days, anyone else joining in?