how will you stay safe from the shot..?

[AndrewErnst]

Hey all I just was wondering how many of you are going to get the h1n1 vaccine. I personally believe that vaccines should never be taken under any circumstance, I realize this is an extreme way of thinking for some. I wanted to find out what everyone is doing to stay healthy this season and whether or not you will be getting the shot.

Blessings!
Andrew

[James Reno]

I don't plan on getting the vaccine. Haven't had the flu for 12 years and when I did it was over quickly. Plus I am eating healthier now and working out every day. I don't want to put any virus in my body on purpose, besides there is no guarantee the vaccine will work anyway.

[AndrewErnst]

I totally agree with you James, I don't understand why someone would knowingly put a virus into their body. I also am eating as healthy as I can these days. Fortunately it is pretty easy to get RAW food and organic food here in California. I only do rebounding to work out. What do you do?

[Writertype]

Originally Posted by AndrewErnst

II don't understand why someone would knowingly put a virus into their body.

Because putting a weakened virus (or parts of a virus) that cannot cause disease in you today could spare you the disease caused by a fully virulent virus later. Also if you don't get the flu, you cannot spread it so getting that weakened virus can protect those around you.

[bman]

Originally Posted by Writertype

Because putting a weakened virus (or parts of a virus) that cannot cause disease in you today could spare you the disease caused by a fully virulent virus later. Also if you don't get the flu, you cannot spread it so getting that weakened virus can protect those around you.

That assumes that weakened virus won't mutate, and if it did, then your shot does nothing.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by bman

That assumes that weakened virus won't mutate, and if it did, then your shot does nothing.

Oh yeah, that. I had forgotten the other reason that can make vaccines useless.

CDC: As Viruses Mutate, Flu Vaccine Becomes Inefficient

[SomeRandomGuy]

Definitely not getting it. I just don't see the point. I've never had a flu shot, and am happy with that decision. Sure, I have caught the flu a time or not, but that isn't the end of the world.

I am particularly concerned about this vaccine because it has not been properly tested and it is suspicious that it is being pushed so much. Even if the vaccine was perfectly safe, however, I would still not get it.

[ALi2010]

I was going to get it but I got scared because my friends started telling me stories about the people who received negative effects from it. I don't know if I'll get it anymore.

Anyways, I think vaccines are just for you know, safety? Reassurance?

Because if you don't get the vaccine, then you will be depending on the people around you to either all be vaccinated or to all not have the flu.


I think people who don't have contact with a lot of people don't really need to get it. The risk is lower. Health workers all have to get it though- they work with a lot of patients. My Biology teacher was saying how she always gets a cold at least every semester but it's because she's surrounded by many students and staff.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by ALi2010

My Biology teacher was saying how she always gets a cold at least every semester but it's because she's surrounded by many students and staff.

If she were healthy, she would stay that way no matter who she was surrounded by. I'm exposed to a lot of stuff because my kid goes to a large public school. So far so good.

I'm almost disappointed, because I don't know if I got exposed to any of the flus, and I was hoping to in order to get true immunity from them.

[Trezker]

In my opinion, a lot more people getting swine flu would have to die before I consider getting the shot, and I mean a LOT more. For me to take the shot, I'd need to hear that people are dying like flies from the flu.

[Beuford]

Originally Posted by Writertype

Because putting a weakened virus (or parts of a virus) that cannot cause disease in you today could spare you the disease caused by a fully virulent virus later. Also if you don't get the flu, you cannot spread it so getting that weakened virus can protect those around you.

Do you actually believe putting a weakened or dead virus in to your body will make it so you can't get the full virus later? The theory behind it makes sense, but the percentage of reduced chance of catching the swine flu I could probably count on my fingers.

[LVGeneration]

No, I won't get the H1N1 flu vaccine or any other flu vaccine.

I am trying to eat healthier, I've started taking raw organic coconut oil, and at the first signs of flu/cold I take lots and lots of raw garlic

[stanmrak]

The real reason why winter is the flu season is because the sun's rays are too weak in most parts of the planet to manufacture vitamin D from sun exposure; this compromises your immune system.

Numerous studies reflect the fact that by the end of winter, virtually everyone has deficient levels of vitamin D. Dietary sources are insufficient; the latest research indicates that we need 2,000IU - 10,000IU a day or more, not the piddly 400IU that has been the standard recommendation for ages.

So start loading up on vitamin D now!

[Writertype]

Originally Posted by Beuford

The theory behind it makes sense, but the percentage of reduced chance of catching the swine flu I could probably count on my fingers.

According to CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - Q & A: How Well Does the Seasonal Flu Vaccine Work? you reduce your chance of getting the flu from 70 to 90% assuming the strain doesn't mutate. I don't have time to look for swine flu vaccine numbers, but I'm guessing they are comparable.

If the strain mutates then the shot is worthless, but if you get sick and the strain mutates you can get sick again. Once a new virus is out there, all bets are off for immunological memory.

As I said in another thread, if you are a healthy person who is not in a real position to spread the flu (like a healthcare worker) then it's not the biggest deal in the world whether or not you get the seasonal or swine flu vaccines this year. If you get sick you will feel like crap for a while and then get better. If you want to avoid the flu, though, don't let yourself be scared out of the vaccine.

[stanmrak]

I wouldn't trust anything the CDC says; they've been caught twisting the facts about the H1N1 flu and vaccines several times already.

They are acting as sales reps for the pharmaceutical companies and are not unbiased or independent. There's a revolving door between the two entities, as executives go back and forth all the time.

[garentee]

Originally Posted by stanmrak

The real reason why winter is the flu season is because the sun's rays are too weak in most parts of the planet to manufacture vitamin D from sun exposure; this compromises your immune system.

Numerous studies reflect the fact that by the end of winter, virtually everyone has deficient levels of vitamin D. Dietary sources are insufficient; the latest research indicates that we need 2,000IU - 10,000IU a day or more, not the piddly 400IU that has been the standard recommendation for ages.

So start loading up on vitamin D now!

I would add that people generally spend more time indoors and the air gets really stale and full of illness...Getting outside for fresh air is one of the best ways to stay healthy.

[Angela Leeds]

Originally Posted by LVGeneration

No, I won't get the H1N1 flu vaccine or any other flu vaccine.

Ditto.

Some articles and vids that might be of interest to anyone researching this topic:

Q&A About Flu and H1N1 Update with Barbara Loe Fisher

CBS Reveals Massive Disinformation Campaign About Swine Flu

Vitamin D Kills H1N1 and Lack of Scientific Proof that Flu Vaccines Work

Live Attenuated Flu Virus Vaccine for H1N1: "Since these treatments are the actual live flu virus there are also instances in which the recipients themselves get sick and also transmit the virus to others. The transmission rate is estimated to be 1-2.4%. The initial five target groups for preemptive vaccination against the novel H1N1 Swine flu comprises 159 million people alone in the United States. A 2% infection rate on half of this group is over 1.5 million people. Now figure in how many people who come into contact with those inadvertently infected people. So in essence the prevention procedures for the novel H1N1 Swine Flu virus could actually contribute to the development and spread of the flu virus nationally and internationally."

FluMist nasal vaccine contains *live* influenza viruses that replicate in the nasal passages of the recipient, who will then continue to *shed* this live virus for 4-21 days after vaccination.

FluMist Product Information from Medimmune.

And my favorite, a must-watch if you're serious about your research:
Gary Null speaks to NY State Assembly, three parts

Just keep full possession of your critical thinking and be sure to follow the facts...and realize that "facts" are often massively skewed to achieve the agenda of Money and Control.

[stanmrak]

Originally Posted by garentee

I would add that people generally spend more time indoors and the air gets really stale and full of illness...Getting outside for fresh air is one of the best ways to stay healthy.

I think this is a myth that needs to be put to rest. There are germs everywhere, all year round. They're on doorknobs, paper money, your cell phone... everywhere. Your immune system is able to defend itself from most of these germs, and you don't get sick — except when it's compromised — and vitamin D is a critical component of your immune system.

Why isn't the flu that common in the July? You're getting vitamin D from the sun. Your body does not manufacture any vitamin D between October and April in most latitudes. (If the sun's rays are too weak to produce a tan, your body can't manufacture vitamin D.) Ergo, in the wintertime, your levels of vitamin D are way lower — that's the crucial difference.

[Angela Leeds]

Originally Posted by stanmrak

I think this is a myth that needs to be put to rest. There are germs everywhere, all year round. They're on doorknobs, paper money, your cell phone... everywhere. Your immune system is able to defend itself from most of these germs, and you don't get sick — except when it's compromised — and vitamin D is a critical component of your immune system.

True, true.. We live in a veritable soup of "germs". Doesn't mean they need to disrupt our health. Who gave them that power, anyway?

[Daffy Duck]

I've never gotten any flu vaccine and don't plan to start now. I didn't know about all the "reasons" not to get the vaccine besides the fact that I witnessed people would get the flu after getting the flu vaccine. That was enough evidence to tell me to avoid it!