The Food Timing Diet

[moltar]

I just wrote a long post about this, but while I was writing it my session expired and I was logged out. So I lost everyting. I don't feel like re-writing it (took me 25 minutes), so just look for yourself.

The Food Timing Diet

I will say one thing - it's awesome

[Jm4362]

The linked page, as just a marketer's tool, is not useful to me...

I am familiar with the idea of eating more often to keep metabolism up, but what does it mean, "not what you eat, but when you eat"? Is that just marketer-speak for "when you eat"="all the time"?

~Jm4362

[moltar]

Well, not really. There is more to the diet then eating often. You also need to cycle macronutrients. The very first thing you eat should consist mostly of carbs, the next meal should consist of fat, the next meal should consist of protein.

You also must eat the very first thing in the morning - as soon as you wake up. Start the day with carbs. Finish the day with proteins.

[nickww]

Hello Moltar,
did you already try out what's written in the book?
Did you feel ok by following it?
Can you give some more details, I won't be able to look into it before 5 years or so (live in Belgium, Brussels)...
Thx,

Nick

[moltar]

I started it about 4-5 month ago and I am still on it. I started eating in half hour intervals first, but 2 month later switched to 1 hour intervals. It was just more convinient this way (I go to college and classes are 1h long).

What's written in the book definetely works. I lost 15 kilos (22lbs) this way. But even after I was done loosing weight, I still keep going eating this way. I think this is the better way to eat as I feel more energized this way.

What kind of details are you looking for?

[moltar]

Yea, and besides telling you when to eat it also teaches proper nutrition and explains why junk food and sugars are bad for you. It talks about many things that make a lot of sense to me. It doesn't sound like one of those fad diets, this is just a proper nutritional diet.

[moltar]

Here is an example day of my life. Sometimes I write everything down just to keep track of what and how I eat. Every meal is separated by an empty line.

Oatmeal
Raisins

Cashews

Protein (CHOCOLATE Rice Protein)

6 Bean Medley

Green Salad with Olive Oil

100% Rye Bread with Whole Grain
Wild Pink Salmon

Oatmeal
Raisins

Protein Shake

Cashews

Turkish Apricots (Dried)

Almonds

Wild Pink Salmon
Organic Salt and Pepper Chips

Oatmeal
Raisins

Cashews

Protein Shake

Organic Salt and Pepper Chips

Please note, this is one of the boring days. You can spicy this up a lot. Right now I am gaining muscle mass, so I eat a lot of high protein foods and thus the meal plan might seem a little too bland. If you are a meat eater, you can eat meats in place of all shakes and fish. You can eat lots of fruits during the carb times.

[nickww]

I am amazed by the amount of food you're taking.
Do you feel healty?
Thanks for your quick answer by the way...

I had this idea for several years already but never heard of read about it.
It seemd logic to me too.

[moltar]

By the way, The Truth Publishing is work of Mike Adams who also runs News Target and other large "awareness" type websites. He was a real eye-opener for me on the whole food and drug industry, I had a huge paradigm shift after reading his websites.

[moltar]

I am amazed by the amount of food you're taking.

Well, you don't eat full 3 course meals every time. I eat bit by bit. I was going to give the exact measurments of each food, but it's difficult to extract it from excel. Let me try again though.

Oatmeal 41g
Raisins 9g

Cashews 40g

Protein (CHOCOLATE Rice Protein) 41g

6 Bean Medley 180ml

Green Salad with Olive Oil 4 tsp of oil

100% Rye Bread with Whole Grain 11g
Wild Pink Salmon 108g

Oatmeal 41g
Raisins 9g

Protein Shake 300ml

Cashews 28g

Turkish Apricots (Dried) 60g

Almonds 33g

Wild Pink Salmon 108g
Organic Salt and Pepper Chips 9g

Oatmeal 41g
Raisins 9g

Cashews 40g

Protein Shake 300ml

Organic Salt and Pepper Chips 30g

This day I totalled to 3000 calories, which is exactly twice as much as I was eating when I was loosing weight. My plan is to go up to 3500 cals next week. But notice that the amounts of food are trivial every time I eat. There is no problem at all.

And to answer your second question, yes I feel super healthy, better than ever before. Almost never get drowsy after meals anymore, no more heartburns and always full of energy!

[nickww]

Thx for the information and time.
Now I must take my dictionnary to translate some of your words, I only know the British BBC english and

[Andrew Brunelle]

I kind of already eat like this, except it's more like eight or so meals a day, but very small ones, like one may be a handful of walnuts and three or four Triscuits, etc. I always have at least one meal that contains all vegetables, though. I also eat one with just nuts or seeds, or combine them with granola or something. Sometimes I eat unhealthy things, but I've almost mastered that. The solution is to either remove them from your household or put them out of reach. My candy bowl is on top of my cabinets, so if I want candy, I have to get out a chair to stand on it. Not worth it anymore.

[nickww]

Can you also tell me what you drink in a day.
What do you do when you're invited to a diner?

[moltar]

Can you also tell me what you drink in a day.

Mostly water and tea (with no sugar, I use Stevia).

What do you do when you're invited to a diner?

If it's a restaurant, I just pick something healthy like a green salad with olive oil or something like that. If it's a dinner in someone's home, I either choose and pick, or refuse to eat. I am also a vegan, and it's likely that most dishes aren't.

I think I understand where you are coming from with this question. The thing is, I really don't care what others will think of me and/or my diet, so I do whatever I want.

I also carry food around with me everywhere I go (e.g. nuts, dried fruit, protein shakes). When my friends eat at some place when we are out, I don't usually eat, I'd get a tea or something and just sit around and talk. When time comes to eat, I bust out my own food

[Erki]

I would think that if someone invites you to diner, s/he already knows your diet and even if s/he doesn't, you can mention it.

[nickww]

The thing is, according to Tony Robbins, if one wants to master something, one should copy the best. Therefor I needed more details.
Thx

[Bruce Achterberg]

Originally Posted by moltar

I just wrote a long post about this, but while I was writing it my session expired and I was logged out. So I lost everyting. I don't feel like re-writing it (took me 25 minutes)[...]

I can relate - losing what you've been working on sucks. In fact, your issue inspired me to share what I do to prevent losing what I've been working on. The post ended up being a little long, so I made it into a thread of it's own. If you're interested, you can find it here:

How to prevent losing a post you've typed out and other typed data

Anyway, feel free to get back on topic. Let me start off:

Originally Posted by moltar

Here is an example day of my life. Sometimes I write everything down just to keep track of what and how I eat. Every meal is separated by an empty line.

Protein (CHOCOLATE Rice Protein)

Protein Shake

You said that you were vegan, so I'm curious as to what you use to make your protein shakes in terms of the specific product you use, what you mix it with (ie. rice milk, soy milk, water, etc.), and anything else you add to it. I assume when you say "chocolate rice protein" you are also referring to a shake of some sort, but I can't be sure.

I used to drink (non-vegan) whey protein shakes with (cows) milk quite often, but after I found out how whey is actually made (it’s even illegal to dump into sewers), I soon put a stop to that.

Since then I've also stopped drinking cows milk (I’m basically vegan at the moment) and tried protein shakes made with soy protein powder and soy milk, but found the taste of the soy protein powder to be pretty average (ok, VERY average bordering on pretty bad... at least compared to other protein powder I've tried).

I'm aware that protein powder shakes aren't the most nutritious things in the world and it's much better to meet your protein requirements from food in your diet, but from experimentation I found I recover faster from weight training workouts if I've had a post workout protein shake.

While you can blend food with high protein content and have that in a shake instead of a protein powder supplement, that option isn’t ideal as it’s pretty hard to match the protein content of supplements (at least, from my experience – if you’ve found otherwise I’d love to hear about it).

Some may argue that you don’t need much protein in the first place, but when you’re doing a pretty hardcore isolation weight training split (I train for both strength and hypotrophy, so I guess you could call it “bodybuilding” rather then just “weight training”), you’ll generally find otherwise (again, this is from my experience; your mileage my vary).

[Markus74]

And this diet really works also on the long run?

[fontduroy]

Moltar:

You said you were a vegan in an earlier post, but you also have salmon on your list of things that you eat. I thought vegans did not eat any animal products. Can you please explain this? Thank you.

[moltar]

Originally Posted by Bruce Achterberg

You said that you were vegan, so I'm curious as to what you use to make your protein shakes in terms of the specific product you use, what you mix it with (ie. rice milk, soy milk, water, etc.), and anything else you add to it. I assume when you say "chocolate rice protein" you are also referring to a shake of some sort, but I can't be sure.

I use Nutribiotic rice protein. I experiment a lot, and often the shakes are different. But lately I had the following recipe:

1 large banana (130g)
70g of Nutribiotic vanilla rice protein
40g of sunflower seeds
2-3 tsp of stevia
Water (can sub for soy milk)

Blend it all together in a good blender. Makes 3 portions ~ 175 calories each.

I don't think everything you consume has to be high in nutrition. I think having 2-3 drinks a day like this is not bad at all, considering, of course, that you eat well all the other times (e.g. fruits, veggies, grains, fats, etc...)

Originally Posted by Markus74

And this diet really works also on the long run?

How "long" is the long run? And why wouldn't it? I've been eating like this for a few month. I think it's long enough The author claims he eats like that all the time, except for the crazy bulking stages (building muscle mass) that he goes through sometimes. I don't see any issues with such diet. I think it's common sense that if you give your body smaller portions of food (and especially isolated food categories) then it will be easier for your body to process it and extract whatever needed nutrition.

Originally Posted by fontduroy

Moltar:

You said you were a vegan in an earlier post, but you also have salmon on your list of things that you eat. I thought vegans did not eat any animal products. Can you please explain this? Thank you.

I dunno, it might be silly of me, but I think fish isn't an animal. Thoguh I would like to stop eating it, but I can't afford other sources of protein at the moment. But I will eventually cut it out from my diet. Fish is currently the only contraversial product on my list. Everything else I eat is 100% vegan.

[munish]

FTD is Health Ranger's(aka Mike Adam) Idea.

[Amadeus]

Ridiculous! This is just a knockoff of The Zone Diet by Barry Sears. You basically balance your carbs, protein, and fat intake thus controlling your hormone levels.

[iFitandHealthy]

Originally Posted by moltar

The very first thing you eat should consist mostly of carbs, the next meal should consist of fat, the next meal should consist of protein.

Hi Moltar,

The questions is: Why?

Start the day with carbs. Finish the day with proteins.

Same question: Why?

Dieting is hard enough, this kind of approach complicates it even further. There is nothing wrong with eating a balanced meal, i.e., carbs/fat/protein.

[Amadeus]

This makes absolutely no since at all. What we eat effects our hormone levels and every function of our bodies through the flow of blood. If you eat carbs one meal, and nothing else, you will spike your sugar levels up. How can you eat one meal based on fat? Your body needs fat. However, it can not be healthy to eat one whole meal based on it, you'll consume too much. Same thing with protein. You need a balance of all three to maintain your energy when it comes to your blood stream.

[John Hill]

Hi moltar,

Food timing is certainly important whether you want to lose weight or gain muscle. In both cases if you want to lose or gain you need to eat more and more frequently.

Check out the article in the health/fitness category on Why Diets Don't Work at Universe Of Success

Cheers,
John

[enolf]

Hi moltar and everyone,
I just bought the Food Timing Diet book I have to say (I'm only on Day1) but I don't see how it's sustainable. Especially since everytime you go off track, you basically undo a lot of the progress from many days before.

I already only eat natural foods and have no refined sugar, I don't know how your 'average' person is expected to convert.

THAT being said. I'm not a hater of the diet. I think he's got some valid points. I'm definitely going to try to make it work. I like the idea of eating ever 30mins

The only thing that kind of annoyed me with the book is that he's not very clear on what's what. For example, other than tofu and eggs, where can a vegetarian get a protein meal from? Is unsweetened yoghurt a protein source?

Also, in terms of the 'free foods' he says, are fruits included in this list?
They're not counted as carbs?

Thanks for posting up your personal diet moltar, that has actually helped give me some ideas. You say you eat oats and raisins. What do you mean by oats? Like rolled oats?

[moltar]

@enolf:

It's very much sustainable. It seems (and is) difficult at first. Eventually you get so used to it that it becomes a second nature. Again, it does seem odd, weird, strange, difficult, out of the ordinary, counter-intuitive and all the other adjectives you can come up with. But just trust me, once you get used to it, it will be no problem at all. I think it took me about 3 month to fully adopt and sink in as a part of my life. Now I just do it so naturaly, that any other way seems weird and unnatural.

As for clarity, I agree with you on that one. I wish they had more examples of what to eat. I actually wrote them an email suggesting they should release a complimentary cookbook to go with this book. And they replied saying that they are already working on something like this. I am fine now with the food selection, but it's definetely great for when you are just starting as it seems that you can't eat anything anymore .

But again, when you learn what's what, then it becomes a second nature. If you were already eating clean, then it should be easier. I had to learn to eat the right way. I used to eat fast food and such. I wasn't an abuser of fast foods, but I did eat there occasionaly. I'd say my diet was an average at best.

I don't think you can count fruits as "free foods". Fruits have tons of calories. You count free foods the foods that have very little or no calories. Like lettuce and cabage and some other ones, I don't remember.

And remember, you don't have to eat every 30 minutes if it's difficult for you. It was a bit of a burden for me (due to the nature of my work and school), so I switched to every hour. Every hour seems perfect for me. Don't make this a hassle for yourself. Enjoy the experience.

The huge benefit I see from this is that I am never hungry. Before I used to be hungry on average of 3-4 hours a day. When I am hungry, I am angry. When I am angry, productivity/creativity decreases. And it just feels good to be always fed!

Good luck. And ask any questions you have, I'll answer anything.

[moltar]

Originally Posted by enolf

You say you eat oats and raisins. What do you mean by oats? Like rolled oats?

Sorry, missed this. It's basically oatmeal (Quaker) unsweeted with no additives. I purchase raisins separately and make my own mix. You can mix other dried berries and even some softer nutes (cashews). It's really delicious.

[enolf]

Hi Moltar,
thanks for replying so quickly.
That's great that you gave feedback to the publishers. I'm going to do that too! It totally needs a section at the back in a table format telling you what's allowed in the three cateogories.
It also needs a section at the back where he puts his recipes in one place.

Oh, that's cool about the oatmeal - make your own mix. I used to do it already but I found myself eating too much. You're right it is delicious. I once ate half a packet of oats! Dangerous.

The think I think is good about the diet is that it really makes you see how many calories you're consuming. For example, you're allowed dark chocolate, but you're only allowed say, 50calories from it. I used to wolf down 3-4 squares of 85% Lindt dark chocolate...now I'm only allowed half a square each fat meal. Actually, come to think of it, I'm not sure if it's a fat or a carb.
See...this is what I mean. Not a lot of clarity. He should at least give guidelines so you can decide what's what for yourself by reading the nutritional information.

Thanks for clearing up the 'are fruits free foods'. Yes. I thought as much, especially since most fruits have so much sugar in them. But I swear, the way it's written in the book, he makes it seem as if all fruits (except bananas and watermelon) are free fruits. But that whole section isn't clear anyway.

Congratulations in sticking with it Moltar. I'm glad it's given you results!

Do you think yoghurt is a protein meal?

Oh, and how long did it take you to lose the weight? Did you notice a difference straight away?

thanks!

[moltar]

That's great that you gave feedback to the publishers.

I am not sure, but I beleive this is a self-published book by Mike Adams aka The Health Ranger.

It also needs a section at the back where he puts his recipes in one place.

I agree! I'd make things a lot easier. On the other hands it let me explore the food galore and really learn what is in each food item. Especially pre-packed/canned stuff. If it just said "ya, it's ok to eat this and that", then I'd probably never take the time to read the labels and ingredient lists.

That time in the begining where I had to read ALL the nutritional value info and ingredient lists taught me enormous amount of info. I'd look-up unknown substances online to see what it is. And it also taught me what's in each food. What it is made of. That sort of awareness puts the whole eating process in a different perspective. I don't just consume food anymore, I actually pick and choose things that are good for me.

The think I think is good about the diet is that it really makes you see how many calories you're consuming.

For sure! That too! This one was a biggie for me as well. At first I had to measure everything. This was kind of annoying. I bought a scale so I could weight-out foods (oats, nuts, seeds, etc...). I had no clue about how much of anything to consume. And it was overwhelming. Eventually thought you get used to this, and just like he says in the book, you can just eye it out. Especially now, when I am at my desired weight and I am actually overeating to gain muscle mass, I don't even pay attention that much to how much I consume. I am subconsciously aware of it.

Do you think yoghurt is a protein meal?

I dunno... Depends what it says on the label Check Nutribiotic protein (rice), and find yourself some good protein bars, you can also drink soy milk (i know it's not mostly protein, but there is a lot), I also ate fish (even thought I was a veggie, this was an exception that I made, I ate Salmon only). Not anymore. Now I just drink a lot of protein drinks.

Oh, and how long did it take you to lose the weight? Did you notice a difference straight away?

Well, I precisely calculated my calorie intake and lowered it to 1,500/day (normally I eat ~ 2,000-2,500, at the moment I am gaining and eating ~ 3,000). So at 1,500 I was shredding 2 lbs/week steady. I hit a plateau at the very end, which was a little frustrating, but I was very close to my desired weight.

I only had a little buldge left in my bellie. Which actually is very difficult to get rid of with diet alone, you need to do a lot of cardio. Said that I also went to gym almost every day, but I never did cardio, I only did free weights. If you do cardio, you might see better results. But experts say that you should not loose more than 2 lbs a week - you migth drive your body into think "scarcity" and it will start storing the fat again, instead of burning it.

Also a good suggestion is you are loosing weight. Keep a log journal (perferable daily) of your weight. Also in the begining I actually wrote down everything I ate during the day, including nutritional information, so that I could actually track the amount of food I consume. I also took pictures of myself, just after shower. I took them regularly, but not every day. When I layer them on top of each other in Photoshop, I can actually see the difference! This is a huge motivation for when you really need it! Especially looking back at your old pics