Can vegan-ism satisfy all of our bodies' biological needs?

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Having to take B12 once a week for the rest of your life is discouraging and seems to suggest that the vegan diet is unnatural and dangerous if done incorrectly. So I get the idea that the whole B12 thing is propaganda.

Or that the vegan diet is unnatural and dangerous if done incorrectly
...but can be made sustainable using non-animal sources of B12, so you can stick to your moral ideals and have the best of both worlds.

I take a multivitamin daily, simply because despite all the stuff I have read, I am still not sure if I got everything right and this is a simple way to avoid damage by ignorance. This probably lets me experiment with my diet a lot without ill effects so far.

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

I also doubt a lot any sort of scientific theory concerning diet. Did you read that post about the arctic explorer who was healthy for 5 years on a pure meat diet? No vitamin C at all. How does science explain that?

The thing is that since Vitamin C and carbs take the same pathway into your cells, when you eat mostly meat (and little carbs), you get more of the Vitamin C into your cells and flush out less, thus making you need less Vitamin C in your food. (This is from Good Calories, Bad Calories, sorry, no other reference handy).

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

I'd go one step further and ask science to explain sungazing and breatharianism. I've known an ex-breatharian myself, who not only lacked vitamin B12, he lacked all of the vitamins and food too, and he was better than fine. In fact, he had a satori experience.

Fasting, working with your breath etc. have been part of many spriritual disciplines for a very long time. Science, so far, didn't tread into these realms, which is a pity, because there probably is a lot to find there. Yoga and different magical or meditation or energy work systems try to give a model of how it works. So you can look there for lack of another source. You'll just have to go with what makes sense to you and try to test it yourself. But this is hard, because often some degree of faith is needed with these systems and getting out of that again is one hell of a trick.
Science tends to avoid this due to the scientific process, but only in the long run with lots of errors in between.

By the way, do you have any books you recommend on that energy theory you had about emotions in meat? I'm new to all this energy-stuff and if you already base your eating habits on the theory, I figured you know a lot more about that aspect of things than I do and can probably help me avoid making time-consuming mistakes.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by agnostic

The thing is that since Vitamin C and carbs take the same pathway into your cells, when you eat mostly meat (and little carbs), you get more of the Vitamin C into your cells and flush out less, thus making you need less Vitamin C in your food. (This is from Good Calories, Bad Calories, sorry, no other reference handy).

Less vitamin C. But this guy spent 5 years with no vitamin C at all. Doesn't work as an explanation.

By the way, do you have any books you recommend on that energy theory you had about emotions in meat? I'm new to all this energy-stuff and if you already base your eating habits on the theory, I figured you know a lot more about that aspect of things than I do and can probably help me avoid making time-consuming mistakes.

It's no theory, I can feel the energy. Last time I tried fish out of curiosity I felt what was like a kick in the head, psychically speaking, and had to spit it out.

Animal products in general have a very dense energy. I don't like it. I think some people do like it, though, and maybe even need it because of their own vibration. The spiritual thing is a path towards subtler vibrations which would suggest meat eating should go to vegan to raw to breatharian. (Raw is higher vibration because it's living. I can feel that too. I'm not 100% raw, though, partly because I think I'm not ready for it).

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Less vitamin C. But this guy spent 5 years with no vitamin C at all. Doesn't work as an explanation.

Not so fast.
Meat does contain lots of vitamins. One of these is Vitamin C, but only in small amounts. You don't need that much Vitamin C to avoid scurvy. But maybe there's something else in meat that keeps you from getting scurvy, but that's pure speculation on my part.

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

It's no theory, I can feel the energy. Last time I tried fish out of curiosity I felt what was like a kick in the head, psychically speaking, and had to spit it out.
Animal products in general have a very dense energy. I don't like it. I think some people do like it, though, and maybe even need it because of their own vibration. The spiritual thing is a path towards subtler vibrations which would suggest meat eating should go to vegan to raw to breatharian. (Raw is higher vibration because it's living. I can feel that too. I'm not 100% raw, though, partly because I think I'm not ready for it).

Hm. So... How do I learn to feel energy? Any resources available?

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by agnostic

Hm. So... How do I learn to feel energy? Any resources available?

Most agree that going vegan and then raw is good for psychic abilities. Breatharianism is even better

I'm serious I can't say for sure if veganism was a big help in improving my psychic abilities, but they have improved a lot since I gave up animal foods. The reason I can't say is that there are too many factors involved, my life has changed in so many ways all at once. However, Steve and Erin both said vegan did it for them (and raw too). If you think about it, you have to ignore your psychic sense to be able to eat meat. It'd be rather horrible if you could feel the energy of what you're eating.

I said that in part to annoy you though The truth is apart from that, I can't really say. I understand (from other psychics) that I have a lot of natural potential, so I think it was a process of learning to trust the perceptions I was already receiving, once I started believing in psychic abilities. I perceived, then saw if I could verify the information I was perceiving, and repeated.

I don't think that's more than a very introductory look at how to become psychic, though. As soon as I have the time and money I intend to work through this book and then take this course both of which are highly recommended to me by people I trust. Rose of Cairo, for instance, told me that the book was utterly transformational for her.

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Most agree that going vegan and then raw is good for psychic abilities. Breatharianism is even better
I'm serious I can't say for sure if veganism was a big help in improving my psychic abilities, but they have improved a lot since I gave up animal foods. The reason I can't say is that there are too many factors involved, my life has changed in so many ways all at once. However, Steve and Erin both said vegan did it for them (and raw too). If you think about it, you have to ignore your psychic sense to be able to eat meat. It'd be rather horrible if you could feel the energy of what you're eating.

I said that in part to annoy you though

LOL, fair enough.

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

The truth is apart from that, I can't really say. I understand (from other psychics) that I have a lot of natural potential, so I think it was a process of learning to trust the perceptions I was already receiving, once I started believing in psychic abilities. I perceived, then saw if I could verify the information I was perceiving, and repeated.

I don't think that's more than a very introductory look at how to become psychic, though. As soon as I have the time and money I intend to work through this book and then take this course both of which are highly recommended to me by people I trust. Rose of Cairo, for instance, told me that the book was utterly transformational for her.

I've had a look at the first chapter and TOC. Sounds good to me. I'll have a look, thanks. Getting kicked in the head spiritually for eating some fish sounds like fun.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by agnostic

Not so fast.
Meat does contain lots of vitamins. One of these is Vitamin C, but only in small amounts. You don't need that much Vitamin C to avoid scurvy. But maybe there's something else in meat that keeps you from getting scurvy, but that's pure speculation on my part.

There's some in fresh raw meat, and there's a lot in adrenal glands, naturally.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Most agree that going vegan and then raw is good for psychic abilities. Breatharianism is even better

What about some Native American tribes? It seems like they were able to nurture their intuitive side while also eating meat.

In his readings on nutrition, Edgar Cayce recommended eating some meat (and drinking raw milk). I was surprised when I read that.

[James Reno]

I like the idea of eating just a little meat now and then, as opposed to supplementing. It just keeps things real. Though I am mostly raw and vegan, I don't want to turn my diet into a religion. Some cooked salmon or chicken once a week for variety!

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by liamona

What about some Native American tribes? It seems like they were able to nurture their intuitive side while also eating meat.

In his readings on nutrition, Edgar Cayce recommended eating some meat (and drinking raw milk). I was surprised when I read that.

Eating the vegan diet, or any diet, will not make one more spiritual than another. It's state of consciousness, not food. The Native Americans had a different state of consciousness than what now lives in the Americas.