They want to kill us?

[kwicherbichen]

I'm tired of listening to people whine about the FDA and try to convince me that corporation's goal is to kill as many people as possible.

Is there someone who is a bit more balanced who is knowledgeable about the BUSINESS of "FOOD"?

[steeveebee]

Hi,

Soccrates once said, "Let food be your medicine". I think he was ahead of his time, for over the last 75 years, our healthcare system has abandoned this for allopathic medications. (As opposed to homeopathic)

[bman]

Originally Posted by kwicherbichen

I'm tired of listening to people whine about the FDA and try to convince me that corporation's goal is to kill as many people as possible.

Is there someone who is a bit more balanced who is knowledgeable about the BUSINESS of "FOOD"?

Well logically speaking, when the world's population is excessive such as now and the economy could no longer sustain itself (due to the pyramid nature of the system), there would not be enough jobs to keep everyone happy.


1. You can't afford to give all of them unemployment benefits.

2. You can't give all of them jobs.

3. The country you're in has so much debts that it's impossible to ever pay them back.


The fact is, people are going to riot, revolt or whatever because they have no means to get food anymore.


This threatens the rich and powerful as well because their lifestyle would be affected and the poor/hungry would look for targets to blame for their predicament.


It becomes a case of me against them.


So in order to prevent a horde of hungry people with pitch forks baying for your blood, you must have a pre-emptive plan, that isn't very directly noticeable, to terminate the lives of the middle and lower income class before they become a threat to you physically.


This isn't about conspiracy/believe and if you exclude moral factor, that is where survival of the fittest comes in to play.

It becomes a game of either you or me die so those in the know would consider plans to terminate the lives of potentially dangerous citizens before they become a threat to those in power, mainly the corporations.


Think about it. No food, no money, no job... you think people are going to sit around and do nothing when the rich bankers/corporate dudes are enjoying themselves?

Yes, it sound impossible and morally unbelievable according to your 'Christian' or whatever believes, but not everyone lives or play by your moral standards and religious believes.

When it comes down to you live or he dies, it's everyone for themselves.

America could be heading for that situation now and those in power would do their best to prevent the masses from baying for their blood.

That means if it includes pre-emptive methods to terminate lives of potentially dangerous herds of people, then it shall be done.

[YourHumbleNarrator]

I don't know that the FDA or the "powers that be" would actually benefit from a drop in the population. I know they benefit from wealth redistribution, and depending on the extent to which it's done the poor and middle class may become more of a burden than anything else, but is that what's happening? I don't know. Could it? Certainly. It would be stupid to assume that those in power only have our best interest in mind. However, people who think like that often turn off the part of their brain that lends itself to discernment and they jump straight to fearful speculation.

I think nearly every federal agency has too much power and they're too secretive. That should change. Personally I'm doubtful that they'd try to kill off a large portion of the populous because the resulting chaos (even by subtle methods) could prove too difficult for them to control and thus it would be a larger risk than it'd be worth. I'd think that subduing people with enough food to keep them alive without giving them enough to keep them well would be the smarter and more likely strategy. Food isn't so limited that it'd be impossible to do it. However, I'm not convinced that's our future. I'm not afraid of it at any rate. Balance has a way of asserting itself when too few get too greedy, and I'm sure I can adapt to whatever happens.

[aggie]

bman, i think you have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

add the lack of healthcare...which the powerful that have it consider a privilege....and you kill off a few more.

[YourHumbleNarrator]

Originally Posted by aggie

bman, i think you have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

add the lack of healthcare...which the powerful that have it consider a privilege....and you kill off a few more.

Then why are some of the powerful for a step toward universal healthcare?

The immediate counter would be that it isn't healthcare at all and that it's actually another way to subdue us, and maybe that's right. But do you think people will put up with not getting real healthcare? The displays at recent townhalls would suggest not. If that's what they're vying for, they're pounding nails into their own coffin. The only way this would work is as part of a long term plan.

What does it matter what "they" do, anyways? What's important is what "we" do. The powerful can't do anything if those who currently submit to them stand up and say, "You know, I think I'm getting tired of sucking your %^&$. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth that lingers even after I've brushed my teeth. It's a weird mix of things... It tastes most strongly of vinegar. Anyways, it is most unpleasant, and if you ask me I'm long overdue for some attention. Do be gentle; I'm rather sensitive."

Oh maybe they can refuse, but offer some whips and leather and they'll give in. They're kinky bastards.

(Note: I know I talk a lot about government injustice and such, and I do stand by what I say in that regard. The crimes of the powerful should not be ignored, but I feel it helps to remind myself (and others) that the individual has the most power over his/her own fate.)

[garentee]

Food as raised on a large scale is not very healthy or sustainable. There used to be many many more small farms producing regional food security. Local food security is one of the very biggest issues facing us today. Bottom line is for people who have any interest whatsoever in farming to get up and do it. Consider that the average age of a farmer is 56 in The USA. Small farms right now account (in my area) for maybe (in a good year) 1-2% of the food supply...That needs to change. The change has to come from many different places. Legislatively, public support, agricultural support systems.. etc.. For example If I wanted to sell chicken meat at my local farmers market I have to have it processed at a USDA facility that processes chicken.. Problem is though the nearest one to me is in Maryland..Furthermore the costs associated with raising food are pretty darn high and profit is fairly low..(in my experience)The change has to start with the consumer though and that is us.

[Dreamline]

The FDA is not trying to kill us. But they have allowed themselves to be infiltrated by the foxes. The henhouse is no longer unbiased or completely safe any longer.

The drugs they test, and the science behind these drugs, are incredibly complex. The only people that can legitimately assist in the testing process, they say, are the people that create the drugs. Therefore drug manufacturers are directly involved in the processes to test the drugs they wish to bring to market. To the degree where more than half the salaries of the FDA are paid for by Big Pharma.

That is an unacceptable scenario. However, I haven't seen any of the promised reform that was part of Obama's platform and we need to hold his administration to his word. That part is OUR job.

There are many people that argue that the FDA keeps necessary drugs from the market too long in the name of safety. That in the EU drugs are approved more quickly, blah, blah.

Wouldn't it be nice to stab this scenario in it's heart by actually taking some fracking responsibility for your own health? Obviously, there will be people that, for various reasons, including ignoring common sense, will still need medications. But this drug frenzy has reached a point where it is no longer sustainable, economically.

It's OUR job as individual owners of these body temples to start treating them like they are divine, instead of disposable or, hopefully save-able by some form of miracle science yet to be discovered.

Jennifer

[aggie]

i apologize for not making it clear, by the powerful, i meant those that are trying to shout down the town meetings on healthcare and distort the facts of the reform bill by instilling fear.

i feel, in time it will be accomplished, but this administration has a huge job in counteracting the power of the fearmongers from the past leadership that has gripped a good part of our society. they have been so duped that they do not realize that they are contributing to their own distruction.

oh, it may not be as dramatic as a severe drop in population to start off...but the health and well being will be greatly influenced. it is our responsibility as consumers.

as i have mentioned in other threads the creation of new drug after new drug to replace the less expensive tried and true and have them literally forced on people by their healthcare providers for the benefit of all but the patient is a crime. i see it everyday. patients ask why? they are not stupid...but if they are to be treated they go along with it unless they actively seek out care somewhere else.

i also agree that for many many years people figure they eat,drink, ingest, neglect their bodies and there will be everything from a pill to an organ donor to fix them...it is time to stop thinking like that.

[steeveebee]

I think the norm in this country is to eat too much and too often. We must teach our loved ones to eat less of more quality food. Taking a break from eating, like fasting, will enable the body to leave digestive mode and stay in cleaning mode longer. (I will quote Soccrates again, also. "Let food be your medicine").

My wife and I continue to seek natural ways which always beats modern medicines when dealing with illnesses and the like.

[steeveebee]

Dream...

You are right on target. The FDA is about as laughable as is th UN, WHO, AMA, AARP, Fed Gov't. I pray I'm not hurting anyone's toes here, but the facts back me up and as a Christian, it is m duty to hail Truth whenever possible.

[JSB]

On one hand the FDA may prevent legitimate alternative treatments from being legally prescribed or sold, but on the other hand, they also prevent numerous dangerous, untested, or downright fraudulent treatments from being sold to the public and damaging or harming many people.

The only problem with the FDA is that they are too conservative, medically speaking. They are focused only on the modern pharmacological model of treatment, but it is (for the most part) a sincere adherence to principle, rather than a cynical ploy, save for a certain amount of influence peddling, backscratching, power struggles, and other behaviors that have existed in every political organization in human history.

Modern medicine does fantastic things, but it is incomplete. Drugs are very good at what they are good at, but have their limits. A healthy lifestyle of good food, good exercise, energy work, positive environment, etc. will go far in maintaining overall health, and chronic illness is often best treated with holistic medicine.

However, if I come down with a raging case of bacterial pneumonia, or suffer massive traumatic injury in a car accident, you can be damn sure that I want to be taken to the ER., and I'll be glad that the drugs I'm given have gone through extensive FDA review.

[aggie]

jbs, i think most of us would implement our common sense and use the traditional medical resources when needed.

i think the beef is the tax payer funded uneeded testing...on lab rats or whatever sometimes to prove obvious things ie overdosing. some europeon countries are much farther ahead i think with alternative drugs and cancer treatments.

pharmaceutical companies also create new more expensive drugs that are not approved by insurance without a step program.

and while i strongly believe it is each individuals responsibility to live and eat healthily...our country's leadership, manufacturers, food industries really do not commercially overall do much to encourage it. it just is not lucrative.

[Charly]

FDA trying to kill us, ie a long term undermining conspiracy, seems far less likely than simple short term lobbying and its consequences.

I've only got a sketchy idea how it works, not being American, but I've read that the people that render the final "verdict" on foods or drugs applying for approval are politically tied to either the democrats or republicans (how tied exactly I do not know).

I read this in an article on FDA approval of Alli, some kind of weight loss supplement, that had, according to the said article, gotten pro votes from the republicans and was opposed by the democrats, fewer in number then.

There is also a list of 25 foods approved by the FDA, then eventually banned by the FDA (yes, they change their minds).

Is it due to new scientific evidence, or a change in the direction the wind blows?

To me this all suggests that there is no long term conspiracy whatsoever, but a constant struggle for short term interests. It can nonetheless be very harmful to public health.

[funchy]

There is no intentional conspiracy to kill us. However, the food and drug industries have a lot of sway with agencies such as the FDA. The food and drug industries don't want us dead, but they do want their profits. Their goal is to get us to buy as much crap as possible, to maximize their profits. And to maximize profits, they need to produce it as cheaply as possible and squeeze out the competition.

We can blame them, but it really comes back to us. Nobody is forcing us to live on McDonald's "food", Coke, deep-fried everything, and lots and lots of sugar. Go into the grocery store next time, and you'll probably notice a typical lay-out: fresh foods around edges and processed food is the other 90% of the store. And how many of us refuse to shop the processed-food aisles? I know some people who skip over the produce section just to go straight for the dorito chips, Slim Jims, and processed breakfast cereal.

Same is true for the drugs: do you turn down sugar or do you let yourself get diabetes and then expect the drug company to fix it all with a little pill? Do you watch your diet, stress, and activity levels or do you let yourself get high blood pressure? Cholesterol... just take a pill such as lipitor. Lack of good sleep.... take caffiene or some other 'energy' pill. Let yourself get stressed our and can't sleep... take a pill like ambien. Doctors wouldn't prescribe pills if that wasn't what people wanted.

So if anyone wants people to die early, it's the average consumer who buys and eats this crap.

Get educated. Don't buy based only on price. Flavor does not mean 'good for you'. And take care of your body instead of expecting some health corporation to do it for you.

[scorpio1980]

Anyone ever heard of the georgia guide stones? Fema prison camps? The illuminati, bilderberg group, NHO, Trilateral commision? Yes corporations are purposefully killing us. It's not about money, but power. The less people on the planet, the easier it is to gain control. Obama is nothing but a puppet. Soon he will ban guns, that way you can't protect yourselves. Do you not believe something like the hitler years could happen again on a more global scale? Technology makes it even easier. It's all leading to a one world power structure where the most powerful desires to bring the population down to 500,000. Research, and don't believe the media. The media, cnn, fox, the new york times, and every major media outlet are owned by powerful people that will lie to no ends to reach their objective. Plans have been made for centuries now, and they are finally technologically capable of world domination. Ever notice chem trails in the sky? They are getting the public used to these so at one moment they can unleash biological warfare, and kill multitudes of people through the air, no matter where you live, unless you are prepared for it. Ofcourse most are too blind to even consider that their precious leaders could ever do such a thing. Wake up! Thats fine, but when you see your rights getting stepped on, it's time to revolt. I will not give up my weapons,my gold, nor my stored food. I will kill any government agency that steps on my property without my permission and try to take what is rightfully mine. Martial law won't be far, I have the means to defend myself, and my loved ones. Do you? I will lead by example, and I will breath the constitution no matter how much it's stepped upon. Learn, research, prepare, repeat.

[steeveebee]

As a fellow Scorpio, I concur. Give me liberty or give me death!

[steeveebee]

If any of you want the inside track on how to insulate yourselves from these entities such as the UN, WHO, Illumnati, Bilderdergs, etc. check out Mr. Emanuel Baek's comments from CA.

[garentee]

Originally Posted by funchy

There is no intentional conspiracy to kill us. However, the food and drug industries have a lot of sway with agencies such as the FDA. The food and drug industries don't want us dead, but they do want their profits. Their goal is to get us to buy as much crap as possible, to maximize their profits. And to maximize profits, they need to produce it as cheaply as possible and squeeze out the competition.

We can blame them, but it really comes back to us. Nobody is forcing us to live on McDonald's "food", Coke, deep-fried everything, and lots and lots of sugar. Go into the grocery store next time, and you'll probably notice a typical lay-out: fresh foods around edges and processed food is the other 90% of the store. And how many of us refuse to shop the processed-food aisles? I know some people who skip over the produce section just to go straight for the dorito chips, Slim Jims, and processed breakfast cereal.

Same is true for the drugs: do you turn down sugar or do you let yourself get diabetes and then expect the drug company to fix it all with a little pill? Do you watch your diet, stress, and activity levels or do you let yourself get high blood pressure? Cholesterol... just take a pill such as lipitor. Lack of good sleep.... take caffiene or some other 'energy' pill. Let yourself get stressed our and can't sleep... take a pill like ambien. Doctors wouldn't prescribe pills if that wasn't what people wanted.

So if anyone wants people to die early, it's the average consumer who buys and eats this crap.

Get educated. Don't buy based only on price. Flavor does not mean 'good for you'. And take care of your body instead of expecting some health corporation to do it for you.

Great points Funchy. I would add that eating whole foods as opposed to the general processed crap that many folks consider food goes a LONG way to solving many health problems along with exercise and perhaps most important of all is taking care of emotional health....There ARE times when other medicines are needed, but if a body is in good health and in balance there is usually no need for these.
I highly doubt that there is a grand conspiracy to kill us though these means...The biggest step you can take is to eat whole foods and use natural remedies. Think outside the box. Enough of this they are coming to get us thought.. its really just not healthy..

[Andrew Brunelle]

The FDA no longer wants us to be healthy. I've heard that they are going to ban all supplements after 2009 and make all sorts of regulations where we eat genectically modified food only and are forced to live only in certain zones.

I don't know if this is true, but the FDA is bought and paid for and that is a fact. It doesn't bother me that they keep making drugs because I don't use them, but the restrictions they put on supplements are obscene, far more than for drugs that are controlled substances. Now, does that make any sense? No supplement maker can claim that it cures anything or even helps, and if they do, it's with the asterick that says this statement has not been evaluated by the FDA.

I don't trust them anymore. I trust whole natural organic foods more. That is what we were meant to eat, and those who suffer health problems because they do not eat what nature intends is working against nature. Sure, most of our food is grown with synthetic fertilizer because otherwise, half the population would starve, but we have more than enough people on this planet already, so this may be one of the motives for the FDA to try and kill us slowly.

But I don't know for sure.

[JSB]

Originally Posted by scorpio1980

Anyone ever heard of the georgia guide stones? Fema prison camps? The illuminati, bilderberg group, NHO, Trilateral commision?

Yes. They're all elements in a giant oversimplified paranoid conspiracy fantasy that makes "The X-Files" looks sober and scholarly by comparison. No, I don't work for any of these groups.

No, I'm no more of a "sheeple" for believing what "they" have told us than you are for believing what a group of conspiracy theorists have told us.

Yes, powerful groups do influence events in the world. Yes, conspiracies do exist. No, this isn't one of them.