The effects of Fluoride on the Pineal Gland.

[BlackFalcon]

Not a lot of people know the effects of fluoride on the Pineal gland and its implications on the individual.

Having read through quite a few articles I couldn’t sit back knowing that this is happening. It is all makes sense once you read up on the effects of fluoride on the Pineal Gland and why its there in the water :shock:Because there was so much information out there and I guess some people will ask for “proof” or “evidence” as this is something that some people just do not want to believe!

I have listed the links to these resources for your information and I guess peace of mind.This pineal gland controls the various bio-rhythms of the body.

It works in harmony with the hypothalamus gland which directs the body's thirst, hunger, sexual desire and the biological clock that determines our aging process. The pineal gland acts in two ways to inhibit the action of the pituitary gland. The pituitary gland is responsible for activating adolescence and the beginning of sexuality.

The pineal gland checks the pituitary gland to prevent premature sexual awakening (Disney anyone?). Human thought is regarded as a result of suspended action, and the pineal gland inhibits the immediate discharging of thoughts into action, also it is worth noting here the pineal gland and the major hormone it produces, melatonin, seem to play a role in modulating the immune system (Hmmm..).

Now the weird thing is apparently fluoride (which happens to be put in our water) actually builds up in the pineal gland....Calcifying it causing a possible divorce or limited response on the pineals glands part, or the individuals inability to experience any spiritual connection or awareness.

Fluoride actually building up in the pineal gland leads to generations such as atheism, agnosticism, apathy, etc....There must definitely be some correlation between these two.....

Its not simply the indolence of many of these people, but an actual inability to perceive such things...due to the pineal gland being swamped with a chemical that interferes with a spiritual awareness.In a nutshell Fluoride calcifies the pineal gland and turns it into a rock.

Calcification in the pineal gland affects our brain's ability to function. Increased calcification impairs our sense of direction and explains how we can become disoriented and miss a turn off on a road we've driven a 100 times. The effects of disturbed sleep on memory are well documented.

Studies have shown increased pineal calcification is significantly related to sleep disturbance and day time tiredness.

Good news though.

Frequent exposure to outdoor sunshine, 20 minutes or so at a time, will help stimulate a fluoride calcified pineal gland.

Just make sure you take off your hat. This is more important than most realize, because the pineal gland affects so much other enzyme and endocrine activity, including melatonin production.

Your thoughts people…

[chrisrushton]

Originally Posted by BlackFalcon

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Fluoride actually building up in the pineal gland leads to generations such as atheism, agnosticism, apathy, etc....There must definitely be some correlation between these two.....

Its not simply the indolence of many of these people, but an actual inability to perceive such things...due to the pineal gland being swamped with a chemical that interferes with a spiritual awareness.In a nutshell Fluoride calcifies the pineal gland and turns it into a rock.

Firstly I didn't see a link to the info, am I being dumb and missing it?

Also, the part of your post I highlighted: I am 99% atheist, until I have proof there will be 1% that remains agnostic. I have no difficulty conceptualizing a god but the reason I am the way I am is because I think the idea is absurd. Nothing to do with my imagination or lack thereof, just common sense. I also find religion and religious history fascinating and understand, to some extent at least, why it exists and why it has been so influential in the history of humanity. I don't think humanity's lack or loss of faith recently has been anything to do with what's in the water.

Apart from that, I am interested in the rest of the post. I will certainly be spending more time in the sun from now on.

[ginkgo]

It is like I keep saying. It is simple. People are supposed to eat foods and not chemicals or anything else. Now tea is a food and the fluoride in it is good for you.

Did you know that the containers that hold the fluorine say "poison" on it since it is a poison? But tea does not say poisonous on it. It is not a chemical. It is a plant food containing 4,000 chemical compounds. People who choose to eat non-foods are getting what they deserve. Both intelligent and stupid actions have consequences.

I am gnostic. That means that I feel that people should know by direct experience whether God exists or not. A belief won't do much good.

[jamesbiz]

damn, now I like fluoride. If it will scare the god out of people, then I'm all for it. This "christian nation" needs more atheists and agnostics please, thank you

[Airana]

This sounds a kind of strange theory to me. When I ingested fluoride as a teenager, I was a brainwashed Catholic. Once I saw the light about the dangers of fluoride, some decades ago, I removed it from my diet. Some years later, when all fluoride was eliminated from my body, I finally realised that there is no God. Blows your theory out of the water somewhat.

[Dreamline]

Pineal glands have been calcifying for millennia before anyone thought to put fluoride in the water. But I have not ever heard this theory before so, as is my nature, I keep an open mind about it.

However, the pineal gland has been incorrectly identified as "the seat of the soul" for many centuries. That is a myth. It's an important little bean of tissue but it has nothing to do with spirituality. It has more to do with hormones and sleep cycles and general circadian rhythms.

Jennifer

[runningbird]

Dosage. Of course it is harmful in large quantities, but trace amounts are a different story. Any vitamin or mineral could kill you in too large an amount as well.

There isn't a huge amount of fluoried in water.

[Dreamline]

Originally Posted by runningbird

Dosage. Of course it is harmful in large quantities, but trace amounts are a different story. Any vitamin or mineral could kill you in too large an amount as well.

There isn't a huge amount of fluoried in water.

The amount of fluoride in the average city's municipal water system is greater than what was used in the 1950's as a thyroid suppressant.

Have you noticed how prevalent thyroid disease/dysfunction is? I do. I'm in the medical field and I'm astonished.

Jennifer

[sundog]

I remember reading somewhere that fluoride make the brain "malleable" and basically makes people docile like sheep? That's scared the heck out of me enough to get a filter that cleared out the fluoride.

[Dreamline]

That leans a little too far toward Conspiracy Theoryville even for me.

Mainly because most of America has fluoridated (municipally poisoned) water and yet we are one of the most dynamic, energetic, achievement-oriented people's on the planet.

Jennifer

[Athos09]

Originally Posted by Dreamline

That leans a little too far toward Conspiracy Theoryville even for me.

Mainly because most of America has fluoridated (municipally poisoned) water and yet we are one of the most dynamic, energetic, achievement-oriented people's on the planet.

Jennifer

And modest.

[Dreamline]

Originally Posted by Athos09

And modest.

Always. Except for Donald Trump.

Jennifer

[funchy]

If this theory were true, we'd see proof of it. People raised in cities (fluoridated municipal water) would have obvious behavioral or physical problems and those raised on well or filtered water would not have the problems -- but where is the proof of this?

And when you consider more and more of us replaced water with soda, juice, or other beverages not involving tap water, even if there is fluoride in our water, we're not drinking it. Even water destined for soda has to be carefully filtered before mixing it with sugar and syrup, for consistent flavor. My friend works for a local Pepsi distributor and he tells me their bottler paid multi-millions of dollars for the water processing/filtration system.

Fluoride actually building up in the pineal gland leads to generations such as atheism, agnosticism, apathy, etc....There must definitely be some correlation between these two.....

Crusaders of the middle ages didn't have any fluoride in their diet, yet they had no problem waging war in the name of religion. Pilgrims coming to America were known to come here in the name of religious freedom, willing to leave their home country just so they could worship more, and yet they had no fluoride. Salem witch trials, Spanish Inquisition, Holy Wars... all had no fluoride. Even the deep south right now, known for its tendency to cling to the Bible, is mostly on well water. The Muslim extremists in the middle east have limited water treatment plants if any, and yet they're so religious they'll stone their women to death on the husband's say-so. Is a strong belief in religion always a good thing?

Apathy and atheism is also not the same thing. You can be a moral, compassionate, considerate person without needing the fear of some God making you do the right thing. Some of the most cruel and hypocritical people I've ever met are church-going Christians who use their Bible to justify their hatred.

[WordKeeper]

dreamline - I HAVE noticed the surge in thyroid issues.

I have been anti-flouride for many years. I will do whatever it takes to avoid intake of neurotoxins for me and my child. I found a toothpaste that my son loved with no flouride. It was by Burt's Bees. Clorox Corporation bought Burt's Bees and discontinued it. At Whole Foods - all of the Tom's toothpastes have flouride - what's up with that????

What I wouldn't give for a decent flavored non-flouride toothpaste for my 8 year old. Burt's orange flavor was a great one.

[liamona]

I've noticed the increase in thyroid problems too. A lot of people have it even in my local group of health-minded friends.

I know fluorine and fluoride aren't identitical, but it's interesting that "SSRI antidepressants, except in a few instances, are fluorinated molecules" according to Wikipedia.

[runningbird]

Yes, fluoride is poisonous in many ways, but we only ingest trace amounts - which is entirely different than guzzling it straight. Any of the vitamins and minerals we ingest would kill us if taken in a huge amount - maybe, except for Vitamin C, but I have gotten pretty sick from megadosing on that too (i.e. 50 grams a day)

[Dreamline]

Originally Posted by WordKeeper

dreamline - I HAVE noticed the surge in thyroid issues.

I have been anti-flouride for many years. I will do whatever it takes to avoid intake of neurotoxins for me and my child. I found a toothpaste that my son loved with no flouride. It was by Burt's Bees. Clorox Corporation bought Burt's Bees and discontinued it. At Whole Foods - all of the Tom's toothpastes have flouride - what's up with that????

What I wouldn't give for a decent flavored non-flouride toothpaste for my 8 year old. Burt's orange flavor was a great one.

Nature's Gate is still flouride-free....I buy mine at Whole Foods.

As far as Burt's Bees, they were a great company and are a local company to my area and I am really bummed they sold out.

Jennifer

[MuscleGeek]

Originally Posted by BlackFalcon

Not a lot of people know the effects of fluoride on the Pineal gland and its implications on the individual.

I have listed the links to these resources for your information and I guess peace of mind.This pineal gland controls the various bio-rhythms of the body.

So, where are those links? I know that the pineal gland gets calcified with the ingestion of fluoride. I read an article about it at fluoridealert.org and that was enough to convince me of the dangers of this horrible substance.

Be aware that water fluoridation is done with one of two silicofluorides, hydrofluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) and sodium slilicofluoride (NaSiF6), two unnatural, man made chemicals, and some very few make use sodium fluoride (NaF).

There are many other man made and naturally occurring fluorides. Calcium fluoride is probably the most abundant of these, but they are all harmful to health. For instance, there is stanous fluoride (SnF2), sulfuryl fluoride, acidulated phosphate fluoride (APF), cryolite, sodium monofluorophosphate (Na2PO3F), chlorofluorocarbon (CFC), hydrofluoroalkane (HFA), septanosyl fluorides, 2-Deoxy-2-iodo-beta-glucopyranosyl fluorides and the list goes on and on.

The thing to remember is that they are all poisonous to all biological life forms

There are ample data on the hazards to health of fluoride substances on pour web site: Water Is For Everyone - Fluoridation Toxins Are Not - Fluoridation Free Ottawa - Ottawa Libre de Fluoration

[MuscleGeek]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

But tea does not say poisonous on it.

Actually, the fluoride in tea is unfortunately poisonous. Anyone who consumes copious amounts of non-herbal tea accumulates the fluoride in their bones, their pineal gland, their liver, and elsewhere eventually becomes poisoned by it. Only tea that is not exposed to fluoride contamination is good for you.

You can believe all tea is good, with or without fluoride, but that's just a belief. Poison ivy does not have a sign on it that says it's poison, but it is, the same with raw almonds that contain arsenic which when consumed in copious quantities can kill you, the same with scorpions and other killer animals insects and plants.

Check your facts before you ramble on about something you know little about. A poison is a poison, is a poison.

[moonrambler]

Just to mention, this thread is 2 yrs old.

[stanmrak]

Originally Posted by Dreamline

That leans a little too far toward Conspiracy Theoryville even for me.

Mainly because most of America has fluoridated (municipally poisoned) water and yet we are one of the most dynamic, energetic, achievement-oriented people's on the planet.

Jennifer

The reason there's conspiracy theories is because there's plenty of conspiracies going around.

We're achievement-oriented primarily due to capitalism and greed and the culture of consumption; if you live in a more socialistic country, you're not as motivated by getting rich as we are in the USA. Priorities differ.

They supposedly gave fluoride to the Jews in the concentration camps to keep them docile.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by stanmrak

The reason there's conspiracy theories is because there's plenty of conspiracies going around.

We're achievement-oriented primarily due to capitalism and greed and the culture of consumption; if you live in a more socialistic country, you're not as motivated by getting rich as we are in the USA. Priorities differ.

They supposedly gave fluoride to the Jews in the concentration camps to keep them docile.

And if people are dumbed down by fluoride, they are less likely to ask questions or even think for themselves...which is kinda how the status quo operates.

There may be loads of ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, but there are also some that make a hell of a lot of sense if you really think about it...which is what most people don't want to do.

[Cloud87]

I believe every natural element and substance that is ok for consumption is good for you in limited amounts. Such as mold on stale bread and other germs will add on to the general immunity. Since i started doing that some years ago, i almost never get sick. ..
With so many types of fluoride out there perhaps the "exaggerated" problems associated with this substance in the original post refers to prediction in case of large intake of this substance. Which is quite possible because its everywhere..
... i think there ll be a few things you could eat too much off that ll make u stupid (with some serious, perhaps irreversible damage ofcourse)
.. Just a thought..

[ginkgo]

The most important thing to Americans is making money, not health. It is very profitable for people to get sick. Flouride is a waste product from making aluminum. So now they get rid of this waste product by putting it in water.

[AbelAbbot]

I've noticed the increase in thyroid problems too. A lot of people have it even in my local group of health-minded friends. That's scared the heck out of me enough to get a filter that cleared out the fluoride. I am Gnostic. That means that I feel that people should know by direct experience whether God exists or not. A belief won't do much good.

[stanmrak]

Originally Posted by Dreamline

That leans a little too far toward Conspiracy Theoryville even for me.

Mainly because most of America has fluoridated (municipally poisoned) water and yet we are one of the most dynamic, energetic, achievement-oriented people's on the planet.

Jennifer

The real conspiracy is that fluoride is a toxic industrial waste (more toxic than anything on earth except mercury) that they put in the water and charge us for it. It makes no difference as far as tooth decay goes. It's also probably the biggest public health hoax of the last 100 years.

Amazon.com: The Fluoride Deception (9781583227008): Christopher Bryson, Theo Colborn: Books

[Mariana Trench]

I actually google'd for article debunking this (not the beliefs crap, just that fluoride damages the pineal) and instead I got this:

"The single animal study of pineal function indicates that fluoride exposure results in altered melatonin production and altered timing of sexual maturity. Whether fluoride affects pineal function in humans remains to be demonstrated. The two studies of menarcheal age in humans show the possibility of earlier menarche in some individuals exposed to fluoride, but no definitive statement can be made. Recent information on the role of the pineal organ in humans suggests that any agent that affects pineal function could affect human health in a variety of ways, including effects on sexual maturation, calcium metabolism, parathyroid function, postmenopausal osteoporosis, cancer, and psychiatric disease. SOURCE: National Research Council. (2006). Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA’s Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. p221-22. “In conclusion, the human pineal gland contains the highest concentration of fluoride in the body. Fluoride is associated with depressed pineal melatonin synthesis by prepubertal gerbils and an accelerated onset of sexual maturation in the female gerbil. The results strengthen the hypothesis that the pineal has a role in the timing of the onset of puberty. Whether or not fluoride interferes with pineal function in humans requires further investigation…” SOURCE: Luke J. (1997). The Effect of Fluoride on the Physiology of the Pineal Gland. Ph.D. Thesis. University of Surrey, Guildford. p. 177."

https://fluorideisbad.wordpress.com/...-pineal-gland/

Granted, as you can tell by the link, it's not the most unbiased source. But the source's source looks legit.

I'm going to continue looking for a "debunking' article so I can get an alternate perspective.

[Mariana Trench]

Okay, here's one from the "fluoride is good" side of things:

Fluoride

It seems reliable, and isn't necessarily in total contrast with the first.

[elucidate]

I'm just wondering how much fluoride we actually need though, given that there are already trace elements of the stuff in certain foods we consume?

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Mariana Trench

Okay, here's one from the "fluoride is good" side of things:

Fluoride

It seems reliable, and isn't necessarily in total contrast with the first.

I like that it gives more of a history and context to the whole fluoride debate. Thanks.

Oh, and love your new Moddess status.