What are the Top 5 Cancer-Causing Food?

[Kprime]

A colleague of mine recently told me about the top 5 cancer causing food of our generation. When I googled about it, he was right! I just thought of sharing it here in case you're not aware and you're making it a part of your everyday diet:

1. hotdogs (high in nitrates)
2. processed meats & bacon (high in saturated fat)
3. doughnuts (double cancer causing agent because of white flour, sugar, and hydrogenated oils, then fried at high temperatures)
4. french fries (hydrogenated oils and fried at high temperatures causing acrylamides, a cancer-causing agent)
5. Chips, crackers, and cookies (white flour and sugar)


Karen Prime

[bman]

Dairy products, especially milk.... rBGH accelerated.

[MillennialMind]

Anything burnt is probably in that category as well.

[jamesbiz]

Honestly tho, what these days DOESN'T "cause" cancer? You name anything and I can probably show you research that says there is a chance it can cause cancer.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by bman

Dairy products, especially milk.... rBGH accelerated.

Cause and affect! Cause and affect! Correlation is not causation!

The only time any study has said dairy products cause cancer is when they discovered that regions that consume more dairy have more cancer. Lets ignore any other variable, because obviously it HAS to be dairy that caused it.

Milk and dairy that is clearly labeled “NO rBGH” is free of rBGH, so lets make your sentence sound a little less bias by saying

rBGH accelerated dairy products, especially milk might cause cancer.

[funchy]

good list! I'd agree all the things listed so far are suspect.

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

You name anything and I can probably show you research that says there is a chance it can cause cancer.

(contaminant-free) pure water
Organic apples
Organic blueberries
Organic greens such as spinach
do I need to continue...?

Cause and affect! Cause and affect! Correlation is not causation!

While that is true, we shouldn't chant the "correlation not causation" mantra when study after study point to the same thing. There's a line between healthy skepticism and denial.

I believe that good studies are the only way we can get an idea of which things to look more closely at. And for some of the foods listed, we already know some of the carcinogenic processes (such as acrylimides in cooked fatty foods like meat).

The only time any study has said dairy products cause cancer is when they discovered that regions that consume more dairy have more cancer. Lets ignore any other variable, because obviously it HAS to be dairy that caused it.

A few links for you:
Red Meat, Dairy Links to Cancer Studied
PCRM >> Health >> Preventive Medicine and Nutrition >> Dairy and Prostate Cancer Factsheet
Dietary Fat, Especially From Red Meat, Dairy, Linked To Pancreatic Cancer
MilkSucks.com: Got Breast Cancer?

"Several mechanisms have been proposed to explain this association. Dairy product consumption increases levels of insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-1) in the bloodstream. IGF-1 is a potent stimulus for cancer cell growth. High IGF-1 levels are linked to increased risk of prostate cancer and breast cancer."
Cancer Project / Ask the Expert / Dairy Products

"Case-control studies in diverse populations have shown a strong and consistent association between serum IGF-I concentrations and prostate cancer risk.17 One study showed that men who had the highest levels of IGF-I had more than four times the risk of prostate cancer compared with those who had the lowest levels.18 Other findings show that prostate cancer risk was elevated with increased consumption of low-fat milk, suggesting that too much dairy calcium could be a potential threat to prostate health.1

Ovarian cancer may also be related to the consumption of dairy products. The milk sugar lactose is broken down in the body into another sugar, galactose. Research suggests that the dairy sugar galactose might be toxic to ovarian cells.21 In a study conducted in Sweden, consumption of lactose and dairy products was positively linked to ovarian cancer.22 A similar study, the Iowa Women’s Health Study, found that women who consumed more than one glass of milk per day had a 73 percent greater chance of ovarian cancer than women who drank less than one glass per day. "
PCRM >> Questions About Vegetarian Diets >> Health Concerns about Dairy Products

Milk and dairy that is clearly labeled “NO rBGH” is free of rBGH, so lets make your sentence sound a little less bias by saying

I have never seen that kind of milk on my shelves, unless perhaps we're talking about Organic. If the vast majority of milk is produced with BGH, I don't see the benefit of touting non-BGH milk if nobody can find it. And personally I believe it's more than BGH that's wrong with dairy, but that's just my opinion.

When the idea of "non-BGH" labeling was introduced, Monsanto, the producer of the BGH, sued. Last I heard they won, taking away consumer's right to know what was used.
What to Eat » Monsanto’s attack on no-BGH labels
Monsanto is also to thank for pushing GM foods into our grocery stores but suing so they can't be labeled as GM.

The FDA is Monsanto's friend and is taking the stance the BGH milk and GM foods aren't "proven" to be bad, but unlike normal food additives the FDA isn't requiring Monsanto to do safety tests first. So we really don't know the effects of BGH milk, and apparently the FDA doesn't want to find out.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by funchy

I believe that good studies are the only way we can get an idea of which things to look more closely at.

There's very few good studies, though. Most of the studies that "prove" that meat is bad use fresh meats and processed meats like hot dogs, or ingredients like processed casein, powdered eggs and milk.

A few links for you:
Red Meat, Dairy Links to Cancer Studied

That article is very hesitant about the findings, what with all the "mays" and "cans" thrown around.

Here's what was studied:

"Using specially bred mouse models that lacked the Neu5Gc molecule – mimicking humans before the molecule is absorbed into the body through ingesting red meat – the researchers induced tumors containing Neu5Gc, and then administered anti-Neu5Gc antibodies to half of the mice."

I don't find information gleaned from injected rats with special ingredients very compelling. How about feeding rats a diet of pork chops, liver, and salad, and then see how they do? LOL.


Dietary Fat, Especially From Red Meat, Dairy, Linked To Pancreatic Cancer

"However, some experts suggest that while this is a good study that contributes to our understanding of the disease, it does not prove a link with animal fats per se (it could be some other dietary or lifestyle factor that is common to people who eat lots of animal fat)[...]"

People eating a SAD diet may also have other lifestyle issues contributing to cancer? Whoda thunk?

[bman]

If it turns out to be true that dairy products causes cancer, it probably won't be publicized anyway because too much interests are at stake.


Even if it's published, most western culture would find it very hard to change their behaviour.

There's no point talking about cancer causing food when you're not ready to believe in the need to change the way you eat.

[funchy]

Gosh, I can't win with some people.

I've posted links to many many studies on this forum, and some keep insisting any of it is possible. If the study doesn't agree with the want to eat, they say it's worthless. "Correlation is not causation". Funny how there are more and more studies saying the same thing though? If their high-meat diet isn't affecting them, what is it then?

I post research showing causation, based on research in labs. People deny it saying it's a "rat not a human" or it's a "derivative of meat, not real meat". Then there's the info explaining how a high-meat/low-fiber diet results in undigested meat material rotting in one's colon, damaging the lining and setting one up for colon cancer or ulcerations. And there's tons of info out there on what saturated fat does in the body. And yet people cling to their bacon-double-cheeseburgers and justify it by saying Eskimos live on an all-meat diet so somehow it's ideal.

I post showing the relationship in real people (such as the objective improvement in health measures when meat/dairy intake drops) and it's denied because it could've been "something totally unrelated". I could tell you about my own personal cholesterol, bp, and fasting glucose numbers, considered 'ideal' for someone with my age & history, but some people apparently refuse to believe diet can do that.

We can't kidnap several hundred people, lock them in a room for years, and control every little thing they eat and do. Therefore, I guess we'll never have the kind of proof some people seem to be insisting on.

[bman]

Originally Posted by funchy

Gosh, I can't win with some people.

I've posted links to many many studies on this forum, and some keep insisting any of it is possible. If the study doesn't agree with the want to eat, they say it's worthless. "Correlation is not causation". Funny how there are more and more studies saying the same thing though? If their high-meat diet isn't affecting them, what is it then?

I post research showing causation, based on research in labs. People deny it saying it's a "rat not a human" or it's a "derivative of meat, not real meat". Then there's the info explaining how a high-meat/low-fiber diet results in undigested meat material rotting in one's colon, damaging the lining and setting one up for colon cancer or ulcerations. And there's tons of info out there on what saturated fat does in the body. And yet people cling to their bacon-double-cheeseburgers and justify it by saying Eskimos live on an all-meat diet so somehow it's ideal.

I post showing the relationship in real people (such as the objective improvement in health measures when meat/dairy intake drops) and it's denied because it could've been "something totally unrelated". I could tell you about my own personal cholesterol, bp, and fasting glucose numbers, considered 'ideal' for someone with my age & history, but some people apparently refuse to believe diet can do that.

We can't kidnap several hundred people, lock them in a room for years, and control every little thing they eat and do. Therefore, I guess we'll never have the kind of proof some people seem to be insisting on.

One word, Denial. But hey it's their life. As long as it's not our body that are forced to eat those stuff.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by bman

One word, Denial. But hey it's their life. As long as it's not our body that are forced to eat those stuff.

I highly doubt anyone is in denial about a double bacon cheese burger being bad for you. It's just funchy trying to over hype what people said. Anyone that's mentioned the eskimos NEVER mentioned that it's ok to eat bad food. Eating unhealthy versions of ANYTHING is bad for you. To say that all meat is bad, and humans were made to only eat nuts and berries is denial. The difference between a meat eater and a vegan, is that most meat eaters still get fruits and veggies into their diet, while vegans get no meat.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

I highly doubt anyone is in denial about a double bacon cheese burger being bad for you. It's just funchy trying to over hype what people said. Anyone that's mentioned the eskimos NEVER mentioned that it's ok to eat bad food. Eating unhealthy versions of ANYTHING is bad for you. To say that all meat is bad, and humans were made to only eat nuts and berries is denial. The difference between a meat eater and a vegan, is that most meat eaters still get fruits and veggies into their diet, while vegans get no meat.

Good post, I couldn't have said it better.

Pretty much everyone I know in real life who is on a low-carb diet poops regularly without problems. I used to have trouble, but what helped wasn't fiber, but taking a therapeutic-grade probiotic supplement. Having enough good bacteria is key to digestion.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by funchy

If their high-meat diet isn't affecting them, what is it then?

Sugar, refined grains, trans-fats and crappy refined oils like soybean, canola and sunflower.

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by funchy

(contaminant-free) pure water
Organic apples
Organic blueberries
Organic greens such as spinach
do I need to continue...?

Well, try this.
You can find a study on anything.

[Adarius100]

• Processed Meats - Sodium nitrites are found in processed meat such as bacon, hot dogs, and other processed meats.
• Fried potatoes - French fries are usually fried in hydrogenated oil and contain simple carbohydrates that rapidly change to sugar in your blood stream
• Chips - Not all chips are 'bad', but many are fried and contain trans fats, sugar, and simple carbohydrates.
• Fried sweets (doughnuts, elephant ears) - The combination of hydrogenated oils, refined flour and sugar, and the frying process which produces acrylamides causes fried, sweet food to be potential cancer causing disasters
• Chips - Not all chips are 'bad', but many are fried and contain trans fats, sugar, and simple carbohydrates.

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[jamesbiz]

I swear, this thread makes me so damn hungry, it's not even funny.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

Correlation is not causation!

Originally Posted by funchy

While that is true, we shouldn't chant the "correlation not causation" mantra when study after study point to the same thing. There's a line between healthy skepticism and denial.

But where is the denial? You assume the studies eliminate denial. What if... what if our experience of reality is so convoluted the studies are actually reinforcing the denial? Then we'd be so lost in our logic we'd never find the answers to our problems.

We think we know so much. We think we perceive everything there is to perceive. Ha! We perceive virtually NOTHING! ...so so little of what is out there and we think our little sample of perception can be extrapolated into cause and effect. MADNESS, madness I tell you!

[Airana]

Gluten, which is found in wheat, oats, barley and rye is the biggest culprit. An undiagnosed intolerance to gluten causes Leaky Gut syndrome which describes a gut which is inflamed and has become very porous, (much more porous than it should be), and it is letting large food proteins, bacteria, fungi, metals and toxic substances straight into our blood stream. The immune system becomes overwhelmed and our bodies fall prey to almost all the illnesses known to man. People can live for decades without being aware they have a gluten intolerance or have LGS. Eventually this can lead to any of the various cancers. Gluten has been linked to approximately 200 different diseases. Some can be cured by going on a gluten free diet, but for many it is too late. If I sound like a crank, feel free to research this further. As far as I'm concerned, an undiagnosed gluten intolerance is disastrous and I only wish I'd heard about it decades ago. Might have saved me from a life of chronic ill-health. However, I'm thankful that I know about it now and have been able to cure my chronic fatigue by going gluten free a couple of months ago.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Airana

Gluten, which is found in wheat, oats, barley and rye is the biggest culprit. An undiagnosed intolerance to gluten causes Leaky Gut syndrome which describes a gut which is inflamed and has become very porous, (much more porous than it should be), and it is letting large food proteins, bacteria, fungi, metals and toxic substances straight into our blood stream. The immune system becomes overwhelmed and our bodies fall prey to almost all the illnesses known to man. People can live for decades without being aware they have a gluten intolerance or have LGS. Eventually this can lead to any of the various cancers. Gluten has been linked to approximately 200 different diseases. Some can be cured by going on a gluten free diet, but for many it is too late. If I sound like a crank, feel free to research this further. As far as I'm concerned, an undiagnosed gluten intolerance is disastrous and I only wish I'd heard about it decades ago. Might have saved me from a life of chronic ill-health. However, I'm thankful that I know about it now and have been able to cure my chronic fatigue by going gluten free a couple of months ago.

You really are on this gluten kick aren't you? It's a 1 out of 5000 chance that someone is reacting to the gluten. It's only bad for people that are gluten intolerant, and that's only about one percent of the population. I HIGHLY DOUBT that every single person you posted about gluten to yesterday has an intolerance to it. Let alone you saying " it's highly likely". No, no it's not highly likely. It's a POSSIBILITY, just like any other possible scenario. So please stop scaring people for absolutely no good reason. Also please don't go around proclaiming scientific fact for anything. These type of things come and go, and are never 100% proven. Usually last for a couple years until a new fad comes along or scientists figure out that they put a decimal point in the wrong spot, and hurray, it's not only good for you again, but necessary..

[Airana]

No, I'm not on a gluten kick at all. Ill health has caused me to do some thorough research and it concerns me that something we are all ingesting or have ingested, something seemingly innocuous is probably the culprit. Something most of us would never suspect as causing ill-health. The information is out there. It is scientifically proven and it is NOT 1 in 5000 people who suffer from gluten intolerance. The incidence is now believed to be much higher, more like 1 in 7. Neither am I being alarmist. I am merely pointing out what I've learnt. Others have done the research, written the books. Is it wrong to want to help other people avoid a life of chronic ill-health? I've had 60 years of it. I only wish somebody had told me about it decades ago. Like many, I didn't have the 'recognised' symptoms.