What's Your Opinion on Fluoride?

[Andrew Brunelle]

I'm just wondering what everyone's opinion on the toxin fluoride is. How many of you still ingest it and who has sworn off it completely? Myself, I've given it up. After doing some reading, I concluded that it would not be wise to allow fluoride into my body anymore. I doubt I'll have any side effects or withdrawal. My IQ might even go up a few points.

Any thoughts?

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

I'm just wondering what everyone's opinion on the toxin fluoride is. How many of you still ingest it and who has sworn off it completely? Myself, I've given it up. After doing some reading, I concluded that it would not be wise to allow fluoride into my body anymore. I doubt I'll have any side effects or withdrawal. My IQ might even go up a few points.

Any thoughts?

Fluoride from what, tap water? Who drinks tap water anymore?

[Maxwell Jennings]

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

Fluoride from what, tap water? Who drinks tap water anymore?

Toothpastes and mouthwashes too. I'm not sure how much can be absorbed into the tissues while rinsing and brushing. Some can find its way down the digestive track when using either method. Rinsing the mouth thoroughly will probably wash out most of it but most people don't typically rinse their mouths after using mouthwashes.

I've seen claims that tea plants easily absorb fluoride and other toxins from the soil and most teas are grown in impoverished and polluted areas. Green tea was the main topic of the report but it did mention all teas and fluoride.

[liamona]

It's definitely on my avoid list, especially after I read The Fluoride Deception.

As for teas, supposedly those that are organically grown contain very little fluoride.

Does anyone know what happens to fruits and vegetables that are grown with fluoridated water?

[Dreamline]

My opinion is: Don't get me started. It could get ugly.

Fluoride

Jennifer

[aggie]

i have used no flouride for several years now...even brush my teeth with bottle water. i developed a painful, horrible, ugly rash on my lips and around my mouth a while back...no treatment worked until my doctor remembered a young girl who was teased for looking like bozo the clown...it was a reaction to flouride...as soon as i stopped...no problems...of course due to propaganda one has to look harder and pay more for toothpastes without it!

[funchy]

I wouldn't drink it. If you're on fluoridated city water, get a water filter.

It does have an application in toothpaste. You're not supposed to swallow toothpaste. Rinse well following brushing.

[Dreamline]

The problem is that it's a lot easier to get fluoride into the water than it is to get it out.

The average water filter does NOT remove fluoride.

Jennifer

[arkimote06]

try to look for other minerals that would chelate fluoride ...it is the only way to get rid of its toxicity if you ingested too much...google is your friend...reading carefully will gain you more insights...don't allow them to fool you...be "choosy on who's you gonna trust...not even doctors

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Maxwell Jennings

Toothpastes and mouthwashes too. I'm not sure how much can be absorbed into the tissues while rinsing and brushing. Some can find its way down the digestive track when using either method. Rinsing the mouth thoroughly will probably wash out most of it but most people don't typically rinse their mouths after using mouthwashes.

I've seen claims that tea plants easily absorb fluoride and other toxins from the soil and most teas are grown in impoverished and polluted areas. Green tea was the main topic of the report but it did mention all teas and fluoride.

I need fluoride in my toothpaste because I need it for my teeth. Period. I'd rather have my teeth last, and not pay a whole bunch of money to the dentist, then to worry about the possible effects of fluoride passing into my system through contact and not ingestion. There is not enough fluoride to be able to get absorbed into the tissue to cause any adverse effect. Even if you don't rinse your mouth out, you still spit out a lot of it, because you don't want the taste in your mouth, and you keep spitting until it's out. And again, there is still not enough to cause you any harmful effects. On the list of things to worry about, fluoride is not one of them, unless you drink a crap tone of tap water, or you are a baby. If either one of those does not pertain to you, then there is really nothing to worry about. Unless you eat purely organic, and never breath the air outside, and even make all your own food, never use a cell phone, or be anywhere near any kind of radiation, and never stay outside in the sun........ok I could go on for ever, but life is not about avoiding everything there is. That's no life at all.

[WordKeeper]

Not everyone in dentistry believes flouride does what is claimed.

[Beuford]

It seems most people on this thread are against fluoride. I'm on the anti-fluoride side too.

"Hey everyone! High quality calcium fluoride might provide a benefit for our teeth!

Alright! Let's go ahead and waste money dumping low quality sodium fluoride in to the water supply because it's hard to get rid of the waste any other way!"

Calcium fluoride - Almost insoluble so it's barely toxic
Sodium fluoride - I'd rather eat lead.

And did they stop to think, you'll be showering in fluoridated water too?

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by WordKeeper

Not everyone in dentistry believes flouride does what is claimed.

My teeth went from horrible to no pain at all and now I don't have to get the work done that was previously recommended. All since I started using the fluoride toothpaste. Tell me again how fluoride doesn't do what it's claimed to do?

PS. please don't get into mind over matter.

[Beuford]

How do you know the fluoride did that? Were you brushing before? Or did you specifically use a non-fluoride toothpaste before? What else did you change in your life at the time?

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Beuford

How do you know the fluoride did that? Were you brushing before? Or did you specifically use a non-fluoride toothpaste before? What else did you change in your life at the time?

Yes, I was brushing before and used a non fluoride toothpaste. Either way, this is prescription strength fluoride toothpaste, so it would work a lot better then OTC stuff. I changed nothing other then that, after going with that dentist. I mean, with in a week of using the toothpaste, the pain in my teeth went away. A few of my teeth felt loose, and now they feel strong and steady. Over the years, my diet has changed in every which way, as well as my sleeping patters, exercise, vitamins. Yet it still always works.

[Dreamline]

Fluoride in the water is a scam, a danger and probably capital murder if you count the number of negative studies that municipalities ignore even to this day.

Flouride in toothpaste is a non-issue unless you swallow it. Flouride in kid's toothpaste is probably an issue if they don't rinse well or if you let your young kids brush without you supervising them every time. Flouride gels applied at the dentist's office are a non-issue and probably work as claimed. As long as you don't let a drop down your throat. Rinse and spit well.

Jennifer

[liamona]

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

Over the years, my diet has changed in every which way, as well as my sleeping patters, exercise, vitamins.

Really? Did you try a nutrient-dense one that includes raw dairy and high-vitamin cod liver oil?

How's your vitamin D blood level—tooth problems can be caused by low levels of this vitamin, as well as other minerals:

Whole Health Source: Preventing Tooth Decay

Dr. Weston Price also had success curing tooth decay using a similar diet. He fed underprivileged children one very nutritious meal a day and monitored their dental health.

Price fed the children foods like organs, meat stew with bone marrow and carrots, raw milk and a "very high vitamin natural cod liver oil and an especially high vitamin butter." The children only got this meal once a day—the rest of the time they were eating their crappy SAD.

Dr. Price provides before and after X-rays showing re-calcification of cavity-ridden teeth on this program. His intervention was not exactly the same as Drs. Mellanby, but it was similar in many ways. Both diets were high in minerals, rich in fat-soluble vitamins (including D), and low in phytic acid.

What determines enamel structure during growth? Drs. Mellanby identified three dominant factors:

1. The mineral content of the diet
2. The fat-soluble vitamin content of the diet, chiefly vitamin D
3. The availability of minerals for absorption, determined largely by the diet's phytic acid content

Whole Health Source: Reversing Tooth Decay

Toothache Remedies and The Cure For Cavities

It also helps to eliminate carbs like bananas, sweet tropical fruits, dried fruit like raisins, and starchy foods like potatoes, refined wheat flour, yams, rice, pasta, pretzels, bread, and corn according to this article in "Science Daily":

Diets Bad For The Teeth Are Also Bad For The Body

[aelle]

Having lived in one of the rare developped countries that does not use fluoride in its water nor allows fluoride toothpastes and seen the consequences with my own eyes, my opinion is that its benefits on dental health are much greater than the risks.

Originally Posted by WordKeeper

Not everyone in dentistry believes flouride does what is claimed.

Yes, I understand how it can be hard to believe in implementing something that will make you lose business

[Dreamline]

Originally Posted by aelle

Having lived in one of the rare developped countries that does not use fluoride in its water nor allows fluoride toothpastes and seen the consequences with my own eyes, my opinion is that its benefits on dental health are much greater than the risks.

Do you know what the risks are? I'm not sure I would even consider my teeth important in the face of the risks I have been made aware of.

Tooth decay is 100% a modern human problem. Since the advent of agricultural societies, our consumption of carbohydrates has increased exponentially, resulting in tooth decay. So in your rare developed country without flouride, if they aren't eating a nearly paleo diet, they will still be prone to tooth decay.

Children are more prone to tooth decay than adults because of their sweet tooth tendencies. But fluoridating the water is giving a drug to EVERYONE regardless of their likelihood of getting tooth decay. That would be like giving everyone estrogen, men women and kids, because women sometimes need it. Or giving Prozac to everyone because some of us are prone to depression.

It's dangerous, has killed and maimed probably millions of people, including children and isn't even necessary for the majority of citizens forced to ingest it.

Here is a google search of "flouride dangers." It makes for sickening reading knowing that for the majority of us, we don't even have a choice in whether or not to take it.

fluoride dangers - Google Search

Jennifer

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by liamona

Really? Did you try a nutrient-dense one that includes raw dairy and high-vitamin cod liver oil?

How's your vitamin D blood level—tooth problems can be caused by low levels of this vitamin, as well as other minerals:

Whole Health Source: Preventing Tooth Decay

Dr. Weston Price also had success curing tooth decay using a similar diet. He fed underprivileged children one very nutritious meal a day and monitored their dental health.

Price fed the children foods like organs, meat stew with bone marrow and carrots, raw milk and a "very high vitamin natural cod liver oil and an especially high vitamin butter." The children only got this meal once a day—the rest of the time they were eating their crappy SAD.

Dr. Price provides before and after X-rays showing re-calcification of cavity-ridden teeth on this program. His intervention was not exactly the same as Drs. Mellanby, but it was similar in many ways. Both diets were high in minerals, rich in fat-soluble vitamins (including D), and low in phytic acid.

What determines enamel structure during growth? Drs. Mellanby identified three dominant factors:

1. The mineral content of the diet
2. The fat-soluble vitamin content of the diet, chiefly vitamin D
3. The availability of minerals for absorption, determined largely by the diet's phytic acid content

Whole Health Source: Reversing Tooth Decay

Toothache Remedies and The Cure For Cavities

It also helps to eliminate carbs like bananas, sweet tropical fruits, dried fruit like raisins, and starchy foods like potatoes, refined wheat flour, yams, rice, pasta, pretzels, bread, and corn according to this article in "Science Daily":

Diets Bad For The Teeth Are Also Bad For The Body

... no, sorry not "really". I have not tried EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE THING ON THE PLANET. I'm sorry.

I can say one thing, that I get more then enough vitamin D. Fish, eggs, raw dairy, cod liver oil, multi vitamins, being out in the sun all the time. Got it all covered.
Why are we talking about enamel structure during growth? My teeth have grown as much as they are going to grow. But,
PS. When I was growing up, I LOVED organ meat, stews with bone marrow. I sucked the bone marrow out of the bones ( and still do). I'm European, so we never had a "SAD" diet growing up. We ate home cooked meals. We never got fast food. We never ordered in. We very rarely went to restaurants.

There are a lot of things in life that would help a lot of things. We are so concerned about being perfect, we are no longer living.
I love all this stuff

It also helps to eliminate carbs like bananas, sweet tropical fruits, dried fruit like raisins, and starchy foods like potatoes, refined wheat flour, yams, rice, pasta, pretzels, bread, and corn according to this article in "Science Daily":

[liamona]

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

... no, sorry not "really". I have not tried EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE THING ON THE PLANET. I'm sorry.

Well get busy, dude!

I can say one thing, that I get more then enough vitamin D. Fish, eggs, raw dairy, cod liver oil, multi vitamins, being out in the sun all the time. Got it all covered.

I hope you're right! I try to mention vitamin D whenever I can, because I belong to other nutrition groups with members in sunny locations (like Florida and California), who eat these same foods AND go out in the sun, but when they get the 25-hydroxyvitamin D test, their numbers are between 15 and 25 ng/ml, when the optimal is at least 50.

Why are we talking about enamel structure during growth? My teeth have grown as much as they are going to grow.

The diet in the study is good for healing your teeth at any age.

I love all this stuff

Me too!

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by liamona

Well get busy, dude!

lol I am I am!

I hope you're right! I try to mention vitamin D whenever I can, because I belong to other nutrition groups with members in sunny locations (like Florida and California), who eat these same foods AND go out in the sun, but when they get the 25-hydroxyvitamin D test, their numbers are between 15 and 25 ng/ml, when the optimal is at least 50.

So then why aren't they getting enough ?

[ginkgo]

The natural fluoride in tea is good for you. The iron in spinach is good for you. The iron in a nail is not good for you to consume. Fluoride is a by product of making aluminum and they need to get rid of it so they put it in water and toothpaste. It is not good for you.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

So then why aren't they getting enough ?

It could be several things: I suspect that they're not taking as many vitamins as they think, and/or are forgetting not to put anything on their skin when they go out in the sun.

Also, they may have digestive issues that prevent them from getting the optimal amount of nutrients from their foods/supplements. The only person I've ever heard of who had a normal vitamin D test is the one who's been on Bee's strict anti-candida diet for almost a year.