I do not think I will get my kids vaccinated...

[Infinte7]

I will homeschool them if I have to, they are too important to me, then to pump them with chemicals I know nothing about...

Chit, I will take this back to the stone age if I have too, hunting squirrels and growing peas in my backyard...

I will not be defeated, "the truth will set you free", and I think the truth of the matter is, we have to start doing for ourselves instead of relying on the government to take care of us...

[bluedragon]

To what chemicals are you referring to exactly? Why don't you know anything about them?

I agree that too many decisions are done by others for us. I am generally against any form of coercion - especially when done by an authority with absolute power that will use any means necessary to impose its will. The question is, how to better oppose it, and do we draw the line anywhere at all?

[Infinte7]

Health Freedom Threats: Codex, FDA, Vaccinations, GMOs :: HealthFreedomUSA.org

This is a good informative website...Vaccinating has become compulsive, its like they come up with a new one every month, it is hard to stay informed on something like that unless you are dedicating your entire life to it...

I agree with the, "what can we do about it" approach, the solution I have come up with is not sending my children through a limp educational system...

This is where they trick you, your child cannot go to school unless they have had something like 50 vaccinations (I could be wrong on this #) but I know that my child is supposed to have "25" vaccinations by the age of 2 yrs. old, that is just ridiculous...

My son is 4 and my daughter is 2, so they are not attending school yet...

[bluedragon]

Lucky us in Romania, where they have no money for vaccines. Here, you have to go pay for them if you want them Of course, some important ones are done here as well, but 3 or 4 over the course of the entire primary school, not 50 !?!

And if you refuse to let your child have the vaccines, they won't allow him to attend school? Why? For fear of transmitting disease? Except the flu, what other diseases can be easily transmitted and undetected, to present a risk?

[Beuford]

Not vaccinating is a good idea. I suggest you research beyond healthfreedomUSA but I have and I will never get a vaccination again. I'll list a few of my reasons briefly.

1. My immune system is not weak. I don't need flu shots yearly.

2. The effects are exaggerated. Instead of "Immunisation" it should be "slightly better immune system against what was in the needle for a period of time".

3. How many diseases and such are there? If I got all of those vaccinations what kind of effect would it have on my immune system?

4. How many of the vaccinations actually prevent a deadly disease? Maybe a couple, but most are for easily treatable and curable diseases.

5. Show me a controlled study of the population of vaccinated people against the population of unvaccinated people living in the same areas that shows vaccinations significantly reduce the chance of contracting the disease. I can't find one All I can find is "But you haven't been around to see people crippled for life from poleo(or whatever) and vaccinations basically eliminated disease" which brings me to my next points

6. Maybe a few select cases some diseases crippled people for life. Maybe some cases the vaccinations crippled people for life. Theres two sides to it.

7. Proper sanitary conditions and proper health care have reduced diseases... not vaccinations.

I tried to be brief so I haven't put a lot of effort in to my arguments but that's what I think right off the top of my head.

My advice, the best immunisation you can get is a proper healthy diet of mostly vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds, not a mysterious injection. Not to mention, the other reasons you should eat a healthy diet anyway...

[Infinte7]

Originally Posted by bluedragon

Lucky us in Romania, where they have no money for vaccines. Here, you have to go pay for them if you want them Of course, some important ones are done here as well, but 3 or 4 over the course of the entire primary school, not 50 !?!

And if you refuse to let your child have the vaccines, they won't allow him to attend school? Why? For fear of transmitting disease? Except the flu, what other diseases can be easily transmitted and undetected, to present a risk?

Tell me about it dude, and Beuford actually has some real informative information in that post...

I have to study it and do some research, but now you see the things we have to put up with over here...

To give you a couple of examples of other vaccines though, there is Hepititis A, B, and C, all different types of Flus, and the list just really goes on forever...

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Infinte7

I will homeschool them if I have to, they are too important to me, then to pump them with chemicals I know nothing about...

Well,
(none o' this "if I have to"). I did homeschool & joyfully so.
and
the damn-immunizations challenge was only 1 of increasingly-many insanities we avoided.

Originally Posted by Infinte7

Chit, I will take this back to the stone age if I have too,
hunting squirrels and growing peas in my backyard...

Does that mean, you forgot - that "Horticulture", ie growing your own foods including fowl etc, are all a part of Sustainable-homeschooling; and that said raised children learn to be Self-sufficiently competent

Originally Posted by Infinte7

I will not be defeated, "the truth will set you free", and
I think the truth of the matter is, we have to start doing for ourselves, instead of relying on the government to take care of us...

Right, that whole "i want BIG-brother, to harm me/us to all degrees possible" - amounts to the most insane practices.

It's high-time, that people returned to some semblance of sanity..., ie personal/Family-sustainability

PRAISE God!

[WhiteCrow]

Come ON!

You do know that there are childhood diseases, when not vaccinated, can REALLY harm your kids?

And who is talking about chemicals? Vaccinations are disabled viruses so your body can build a defense against, otherwise deadly viruses.

It is irresponsible not to vaccinate them, ESPECIALLY when you know nothing about the supposed chemicals.

Go do your homework.....we are talking about childres here.

[Beuford]

Many of us have done our homework extensively, and choose not to vaccinate

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Infinte7

Health Freedom Threats: Codex, FDA, Vaccinations, GMOs :: HealthFreedomUSA.org

Informative website...Vaccinating has become compulsive:
I know that my child is supposed to have "25" vaccinations by the age of 2 yrs. old, that is just ridiculous...

My son is 4 and my daughter is 2, so they are not attending school, yet...

The truth of the matter:
IF you allow your kids to watch the Telly they are "attending school" already -
sadly there, they've already been brain-washed.
and
the List of immunizations :
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2009/09_0-6yrs_schedule_pr.pdf
Immunization Schedule for United States • 2009
(For those who fall behind or start late, see the catch-up schedule)
Hepatitis B vaccines (HepB).

Rotavirus vaccines (RV).

Diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and acellular pertussis vaccines (DTaP).

Haemophilus influenzae type b conjugate vaccines (Hib).

Pneumococcal vaccines

Influenza vaccines

Measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines (MMR).

Varicella vaccines

Hepatitis A vaccines (HepA).

Meningococcal vaccines
--
30++ "necessary"??, for ages1-6, only. There's more! later

I think not!

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Beuford

Not vaccinating is a good idea. I suggest you research beyond healthfreedomUSA
but I have and I will never get a vaccination again. I'll list a few of my reasons briefly.

Bingo

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by WhiteCrow

Come ON!

It is irresponsible not to vaccinate them, ESPECIALLY when you know nothing about the supposed chemicals.

Go do your homework.....

The truth of the matter is: "It is irresponsible TO vaccinate, ESPECIALLY when the persons & parents are
scientifically knowledgable, with added professional-experiences, about the chemicals that poison its victims. -

"Go do your homework...." - YES!, precisely.

[Infinte7]

Originally Posted by WhiteCrow

Come ON!

You do know that there are childhood diseases, when not vaccinated, can REALLY harm your kids?

And who is talking about chemicals? Vaccinations are disabled viruses so your body can build a defense against, otherwise deadly viruses.

It is irresponsible not to vaccinate them, ESPECIALLY when you know nothing about the supposed chemicals.

Go do your homework.....we are talking about childres here.

You do not live in the US, so do you really know what you are talking about?

How many vaccinations do you get a year?

[Infinte7]

Thanks for the support Joyful!!!!!!!

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Infinte7

You do not live in the US,
so do you really know what you are talking about?

Even US-citizens, remain in the dark about most vital-issues affecting them.
Surely, you don't expect someone in a more... socialist (than the USA currently) country, to be 'self-educated', do you?

[Infinte7]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

Even US-citizens, remain in the dark about most vital-issues affecting them.
Surely, you don't expect someone in a more... socialist (than the USA currently) country, to be self-educated, do you?

Im sorry but, LMAO!!!!

I don't mean to laugh because it is true, I just can't help but feel sarcasm energy coming from you...

[liamona]

Although I'm all for homeschooling, you don't need to do it in order to avoid having to vaccinate your kids for public schools.

All but two states have some kind of exemption to vaccines that the (public) schools must honor. You merely sign the back of the vaccine form that the school administration keeps on file.

You may want to look at the CDC's list of vaccine excipients:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...nt-table-1.pdf

Many vaccines, mainly the multi-dose ones, still contain thimerosal, although "Some single dose containers contain trace amounts of thimerosal from the production process, but substantially lower concentrations than if used as a preservative."

Note that many vaccines contain gelatin, and the ones that do come from pigs.

These are just a few minor issues I have with vaccines. Personally I haven't had any in years, and my children will never have any.

[Andrew Brunelle]

You are absolutely right about not vaccinating your children. I can't stand how the government and the media tries to whip us into an insane frenzy when it comes to vaccines. I've read on a health website that we may be forced to take swine flu vaccines in the future under threat of death. This is maddening. It makes me sick that you can't even send your children to a school without being poisoned with all these vaccines. I was poisoned with them and developed a high-spectrum autism disorder. I'm still functional, but my mother always said she noticed a change in me after a certain vaccine I received as an infant and had a severe reaction to. Doctors aren't there to heal anymore. They are here to poison us for no reason other than to line their pockets. Same thing goes with the whole water fluoridation problem, but that's for another day.

What do you think we have an immune system for? It's for killing viruses and germs.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

I can't stand how the government and the media tries to whip us into an insane frenzy when it comes to vaccines.

That's done on purpose—the infotainment industries often partner with the CDC in order to spread propaganda to the slack-jawed masses (here's a link to my post about this that has links from the CDC's site admitting as much).

I've read on a health website that we may be forced to take swine flu vaccines in the future under threat of death.

I've read some alarmist news that no exemptions to vaccines are allowed during a pandemic. But the way I see it, the media will be successful in whipping up the public's fears about the ManPigBird Flu so they'll be lined up to get jabbed, just like they did back in 1976 with disastrous results for those who died or got Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

I was poisoned with them and developed a high-spectrum autism disorder. I'm still functional, but my mother always said she noticed a change in me after a certain vaccine I received as an infant and had a severe reaction to.

I'm sorry that happened to you! But I'm not surprised, and you're not alone. There's all sorts of stories like yours in independent (i.e., non-Big Pharma) researcher Hillary Butler's excellent book, Just a Little Prick.

Doctors aren't there to heal anymore. They are here to poison us for no reason other than to line their pockets.

There's a few who still believe in healing rather than harming, but you do have to search for them. My doctor is adamantly against vaccines.

Same thing goes with the whole water fluoridation problem, but that's for another day.

Don't even get me started on that! LOL.

[Beuford]

Don't get me started on water fluoridation either. I wrote an article against that for fun. I even tried to email the Queensland government to stop it but they sent back a half-assed general half copied and pasted response. It doesn't matter so long as the news that everyone watches doesn't say it is wrong. We even learn in English at school how to write biased news paper articles and to leave out things that don't support our view. I do my best to not be biased, but that's not on the media's agenda. Now that everyone is all rallied up about a swine flu, as soon as the vaccine comes out big pharma makes billions.

[Andyee]

Ok... you have a point there, but can you risk you child's life? You do not have to give him shots for all the diseases, but most certain for the flu.

[Beuford]

I don't think it is a good idea to give children flu shots.

I think it is a good idea to give children plenty of fruits and vegetables and to abstain from giving them sodas and junkfood.

Let's focus on what is important instead of attempting to cover up our bad diets with vaccinations and drugs. We are trading the health food industries for big pharma. Let's go the right way.

[ssandra]

I think that flu shots are a bit weird... I mean, how many children (who have access to good healthcare and healthy food) actually die from the flu?

However, for example the Polio shot, what is wrong with that? It prevents your child from being crippled for life!

And yes, there is a lot less risk of actually getting it now, but that is thanks to the shots.

[Beuford]

It's not really thanks to the shots. It's because we now have proper sanitary conditions and better health care like I previously mentioned. Many people during the early 20th century and before lived poorly without proper food and housing. Especially during war time, like world war 1 and 2. Now we have access to health care, housing, food, flushing toilets and contraception. I'm not going to say vaccines are 0% effective, I'm going to say they are insignificantly effective, and many of been quite dangerous and fails. You shouldn't listen to them when they tell you that vaccines are the reason there aren't deadly diseases spreading around, because they are just trying to sell you vaccines through fear that they will come back if you don't.

[ssandra]

In the 70's and somewhere in the 90's we have had small polio outbreaks in the netherlands on children who were not given their shots because of religous reasons. Other people were not affected.

If everybody would have been given their shots this would not have happend and eventually the decease would have become extinct.

To me; this is just common sense and logic, not people trying to make me afraid.

[Beuford]

Well you'd have to look at how many people were negatively effected by the vaccination, how many people who took the vaccination that got polio, how many people took the vaccination that didn't get polio, how many people that didn't take the vaccination who did get it, and how many people didn't take the vaccination but didn't get it. Then there are a lot of other factors like diet and living conditions. I don't think you can point to "Hey, some people who didn't take the vaccination got polio" without looking at the other factors.

I highly doubt no one who got the shot was effected.

[funchy]

You use a computer but you don't "know nothing about" what's inside. You use a TV, I'm sure, and you also probably don't "know nothing about" how it works. Why accept all other modern technologies but reject a common medical prevention which has been in use much longer (vaccinations)?

Please research the infectious diseases your doctor wants to vaccinate for. Read up on what polio does to kids. It'll easily cripple a child for life. Talk to your grandparents, and they'll probably tell you before routine vaccinations, infectious diseases claimed sometimes 50% or more of kids under the age of 5. Mumps, measles, and rubella also serious things.



Thanks to vaccination smallpox is gone completely in the US. If we had pockets of hold-outs for smallpox vaccinations, we'd never be rid of it... and a % would get terribly ill and ever generation would be given the vaccine.

Odds are he/she will need the vaccinations later anyway: public school, university, travel abroad, ANY job in the nursing/doctor/alliedhealth field, etc. Why leave him/her unprotected for decades, just to vaccinate him later?

The need for vaccinations continues today, despite better sanitation. Right now whooping cough (pertussis) in the US is making a resurgence due to do so many people choosing to skip vaccinations. It's extremely contagious, and one source names it as the leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths worldwide. The vaccine for it has been used since the 1920s, and is safe and effective.

There is no proven link between routine vaccinations and autism. The one worry some parents hard was thimerisol, the mercury containing preservative used in vaccines, and as far as I know thimerisol is not used much anymore. There is a GENETIC link to autism they can see, so it may come down to simply a faulty gene plus a common environmental trigger. The odds of having an autistic child are significantly higher if a parent already has one autistic child.

There is no conspiracy to keep forcing things on us we don't need. When everyone was vaccinated for smallpox and it vanished from the population, they stopped giving the smallpox vaccine. If it was a conspiracy, wouldn't they keep selling us this unneeded injection?

You don't have to believe me. But please talk to a healthcare professional before making these important and possibly life-saving choices for your kids.

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by Beuford

Well you'd have to look at how many people were negatively effected by the vaccination, how many people who took the vaccination that got polio, how many people took the vaccination that didn't get polio, how many people that didn't take the vaccination who did get it, and how many people didn't take the vaccination but didn't get it. Then there are a lot of other factors like diet and living conditions. I don't think you can point to "Hey, some people who didn't take the vaccination got polio" without looking at the other factors.

I highly doubt no one who got the shot was effected.

Nobody who got the shot was infected.

Not all the people who didn't get the shot were infected either, because of precausions (like keeping people who were sick away from people who were healthy).

I don't believe in flu shots because the virus is different every year and much easier to overcome by just living well and healthy lives.

So, Im not saying that you should vacinate everything. That would be stupid.

But; read again what funchy said...She (he?) says it so much better than I can.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by Beuford

Let's focus on what is important instead of attempting to cover up our bad diets with vaccinations and drugs. We are trading the health food industries for big pharma. Let's go the right way.

I agree, but Big Pharma doesn't make a profit when children are well-fed and live in sanitary conditions. That's why the medical-industrial complex has zero interest in promoting a healthy diet, and why the CDC feels free to help the media peddle poison shots rather than organic foods. As in everything, Follow The Money.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by funchy

You don't have to believe me. But please talk to a healthcare professional before making these important and possibly life-saving choices for your kids.

As I mentioned to you in a previous thread, I'm surprised to see you defend vaccines, since many of them contain animal ingredients, possibly from factory farms. For instance, the product insert for the Infanrix vaccines says

"The bovine materials used in these extracts are sourced from countries which the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has determined neither have nor present an undue risk for bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE). Both toxins are detoxified with formaldehyde, concentrated by ultrafiltration, and purified by precipitation, dialysis, and sterile filtration."

You're against people eating factory-farmed dairy and meat, but you're perfectly okay with injecting babies and children with questionable animal ingredients like "bovine materials" and pork gelatin?