I do not think I will get my kids vaccinated...

[bman]

That's because you're still under the false reality taught to you right from the day you were born.


Doctors cannot question the vaccines used. They're not scientists, they don't research and they will use what they have to use, even when the vaccine is harmful, and only so declared by the establishment.


Doctors do not question chemotherapy and other treatments that are harmful.

No, they do not think about the tools/methods they're using could be harmful. They're following instructions and stuff they're taught to, and how to use the stuff by pharma companies.


The truth is actually much bigger than what you think you know.

But of course, denial is the best weapon against the need to read up.

No matter what, I still don't think doctors are evil.

Probably just misguided and most wouldn't dare to question the methods sanctioned by the medical mafia.

Doctors are humans and they mistakes too, but please don't put these people on a high pedestal. I used to until I realized I am giving them too much credit for what they do.


They're not taught to think out of the box.

They can't. It's the way the system conditioned them.

No questioning of medical authority even if it's wrong.

[Cosette]

This debate has been totally threadjacked, which is unfortunate. I just want to say that not all people with vaccination concerns are wild-eyed conspiracy theorists. Most of us are quite rational. Some of us are actually scientists.

[bman]

Originally Posted by Cosette

This debate has been totally threadjacked, which is unfortunate. I just want to say that not all people with vaccination concerns are wild-eyed conspiracy theorists. Most of us are quite rational. Some of us are actually scientists.

It still doesn't change the fact that doctors don't think when they are going to shoot you with vaccine laced with mercury and squalene which gives you auto-immune disorders/diseases.

They are NOT suppose to question these things. They're just trained to follow instructions.

That is an undeniable fact. If they were to stray from mainstream medical mafia rules they will get their license pulled so fast they wouldn't know what else to do with their life.

[James81]

Originally Posted by bman

The problem is not the evil doctors.

Doctors are just tools, they don't think, they do what they're taught to do.

What's evil is population control.

Corporations making money from your sickness and death.

You can dismiss the NWO as conspiracy theory but if you had been doing research and paying attention, it is becoming a reality.

You need to really think out of the box and see who's really in control of the world.

You can start with the financial system and then read up on occult stuff.

Then read up on Bohemian grove.


No, I am not going to point you to any links because if you were doing the research properly you would probably find these info online. Else nothing I point to you would convince you of anything.

Like I said, if someone were able to put together an arguement that didn't involve a conspiracy theory of some sort, I'd entertain it.

Otherwise, it just makes you seem like you're about 2 sandwiches short of a picnic.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by bman

It still doesn't change the fact that doctors don't think when they are going to shoot you with vaccine laced with mercury and squalene which gives you auto-immune disorders/diseases.

No kidding—do half of them even know which ones contain mercury, or which ones have the squalene?

They don't think about things outside the established orthodoxy as promoted by Big Pharma/AMA, organizations that they should be able to trust (as we all should).

I found the article about SV-40 that mentions what happened to people who tried to expose the truth. What makes you think something similar isn't going on today?

But there were problems with the monkey kidneys. In 1960 Bernice Eddy, a government researcher, discovered that when she injected hamsters with the kidney mixture on which the vaccine was cultured, they developed tumors. Eddy's superiors tried to keep the discovery quiet, but Eddy presented her data at a cancer conference in New York. She was eventually demoted, and lost her laboratory. The cancer-causing virus was soon isolated by other scientists and dubbed SV40, because it was the fortieth simian virus discovered. Alarm spread through the scientific community as researchers realized that nearly every dose of the vaccine had been contaminated. In 1961 federal health officials ordered vaccine manufacturers to screen for the virus and eliminate it from the vaccine. Worried about creating a panic, they kept the discovery of SV40 under wraps and never recalled existing stocks. For two more years millions of additional people were needlessly exposed -- bringing the total to 98 million Americans from 1955 to 1963.

[bman]

Originally Posted by liamona

No kidding—do half of them even know which ones contain mercury, or which ones have the squalene?

They don't think about things outside the established orthodoxy as promoted by Big Pharma/AMA, organizations that they should be able to trust (as we all should).

I found the article about SV-40 that mentions what happened to people who tried to expose the truth. What makes you think something similar isn't going on today?

But there were problems with the monkey kidneys. In 1960 Bernice Eddy, a government researcher, discovered that when she injected hamsters with the kidney mixture on which the vaccine was cultured, they developed tumors. Eddy's superiors tried to keep the discovery quiet, but Eddy presented her data at a cancer conference in New York. She was eventually demoted, and lost her laboratory. The cancer-causing virus was soon isolated by other scientists and dubbed SV40, because it was the fortieth simian virus discovered. Alarm spread through the scientific community as researchers realized that nearly every dose of the vaccine had been contaminated. In 1961 federal health officials ordered vaccine manufacturers to screen for the virus and eliminate it from the vaccine. Worried about creating a panic, they kept the discovery of SV40 under wraps and never recalled existing stocks. For two more years millions of additional people were needlessly exposed -- bringing the total to 98 million Americans from 1955 to 1963.

Exactly, notice how anything that does not correspond with what the mainstream media told them is dismissed as conspiracy theory even when facts are available for them to verify. People like living in denial.

Of course, I bet they would deny this video interview with Maurice Hilleman himself admitting giving cancer causing vaccines and HIV tainted ones to the public and laughing about it.

YouTube - Merck Vaccine Chief Brings HIV/AIDS to America

Some people would never wake up no matter how much evidence you have because they prefer to live in ignorance than to admit they were lied to their whole life and made a fool of by the very system that they were born and brainwashed to trust without asking questions.


Bayer also was also involved in HIV tainted blood products.

YouTube - Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine )


Big Pharmas are arms of the elite for depopulation.

There is one coming right up and most aren't going to realize they are going to be murdered. They would fight and defend and even protect the establishment that is going to take their lives without their knowledge. I must really commend the powers that be for such splendid psy-ops of being able to convince the people they're going to kill, to defend them.

[carenkh]

Originally Posted by bman

Of course, I bet they would deny this video interview with Maurice Hilleman himself admitting giving cancer causing vaccines and HIV tainted ones to the public and laughing about it.

YouTube - Merck Vaccine Chief Brings HIV/AIDS to America

Really? You could listen to that and believe that's an uncut, unedited interview? I listened to it with an open mind - and it's edited, spliced, and has had voices added that weren't in the interview. Please, if you're going to be promoting this view, don't put out garbage like this as your proof. You've lost any credibility you might have had by posting this.

[bman]

Originally Posted by carenkh

Really? You could listen to that and believe that's an uncut, unedited interview? I listened to it with an open mind - and it's edited, spliced, and has had voices added that weren't in the interview. Please, if you're going to be promoting this view, don't put out garbage like this as your proof. You've lost any credibility you might have had by posting this.

American Chronicle | World Health Organization Secrecy Surrounding the Swine Flu Raises More Red Flags

Good luck.

[ns123]

Originally Posted by James81

Like I said, if someone were able to put together an arguement that didn't involve a conspiracy theory of some sort, I'd entertain it.

Otherwise, it just makes you seem like you're about 2 sandwiches short of a picnic.

James81 - you crack me up! Very well put and humorous to boot.

This is my general view of almost all debates/evidence. Once it dives into the realm of conspiracy theories (the gov-ment's trying to control you, man!) I stop listening.

[kimberleee]

I'm right there with you... I was bullied into vaccinating my son by my (now ex) pediatrician. I was selective with the vaccines I gave him... but now I wish I hadn't given in.

I quit taking him before he had all his shots... so I really hope he doesn't suffer any of the potential side-effects. So far, we're okay.

He survived the flu when he was only 11 months old-- So I know he's got a strong immune system ; )


Although, we still (I hope) live in a free country where parents are allowed to make their own choices when it comes to parenting... so I don't think you should have to be forced to live on the outskirts of society, hunting and gathering to survive, and keeping your children separate from everyone... just because you decided against vaccines. Stand up for your rights, woman!!

Not that home-schooling is a bad idea. I plan to home-school too ; )

[liamona]

Originally Posted by ns123

This is my general view of almost all debates/evidence. Once it dives into the realm of conspiracy theories (the gov-ment's trying to control you, man!) I stop listening.

So what do you call it when Bernice Eddy, a government researcher, tries to warn her superiors about vaccine contamination, and gets canned?

Or when Dr J. Anthony Morris, former director of the Virus Bureau of the FDA, tried to warn his superiors (back before the 1976 Swine Flu Vaccine debacle) that the swine flu vaccines were ineffective, and got fired (and his records burned, and lab destroyed)?

Or when the CDC teams up with the media to spread the pro-vaccine point of view to the sleeping masses?

CDC - Health Marketing in Action

The CDC recognizes the power of popular entertainment in shaping the perceptions and practices of its viewers. Television shows, movies, and music not only command the attention of their audiences, but also reinforce existing behavior, demonstrate new behavior, and affect audience emotions. The CDC often partners with Hollywood executives and academic, public health, and advocacy organizations to share information with writers and producers about the nation's pressing health issues.

CDC Health Marketing | Entertainment Education

Tip Sheets for TV Writers and Producers

Low Immunization Rates
Tips for Scripts

Summary:

Educate, inform, reassure, and remind viewers that Big Pharma knows best!

[liamona]

Originally Posted by kimberleee

so I don't think you should have to be forced to live on the outskirts of society, hunting and gathering to survive, and keeping your children separate from everyone

I see the point you're making, but I do think that if you're not going to get your kid jabbed with questionable ingredients, it's best to keep him out of daycare and other hotbeds of infectious snot and poop.

It helps to "find your tribe," a group of parents who share your beliefs about vaccines, nutrition, and lifestyle. We're not a big group, but thanks to the Internet, we've been able to connect with each other and give lots of support to each other in making unpopular non-sheeple decisions.

A group like this is invaluable in finding information like who are the best doctors in your area that will support your decision to not vaccinate (and hopefully, do extended breastfeeding and co-sleeping).

Equally important, which doctors to avoid. It's really best to fire doctors who don't support you. Don't even waste your time trying to "educate" them about vaccines. Think of them as you do your mechanic—does s/he do a good job? and keep or fire accordingly.

[carenkh]

Originally Posted by bman

American Chronicle | World Health Organization Secrecy Surrounding the Swine Flu Raises More Red Flags

Good luck.

I'm not saying your view doesn't have merit. I'm saying find something not tampered with to promote it. I am not a skeptic, you-must-prove-it-scientifically-or-I-won't-believe-it kinda person... but that video was worthless.

[bman]

Originally Posted by carenkh

I'm not saying your view doesn't have merit. I'm saying find something not tampered with to promote it. I am not a skeptic, you-must-prove-it-scientifically-or-I-won't-believe-it kinda person... but that video was worthless.

You have no proof it was tampered with and you ignored the 2nd video, direct off the main stream media.

Getting emotional over this just plain goes to show you do have some level of denial about the truth.

Did you receive polio vaccines during the 50s/60s to feel disturbed and shocked you could be carrying cancer causing SV-40 viruses?

[carenkh]

*backing slowly out of room*

[bman]

Originally Posted by carenkh

*backing slowly out of room*

Military planning for possible H1N1 outbreak - CNN.com

[JMonkey]

I do find it quite incredible that we endeavour to advance ourselves in medical sciences yet some people are happy to try and rewind the clock.

I agree it's ok to play in the mud, I agree that it's not completely necessary to destroy 99.9% of bacteria from kitchen surfaces. We do build up a natural immunity to some things simply by experimenting with them.

The reason for vaccinations are because we don't have enough time to get used to the disease/virus etc before it's effects are revealed. They are simply too powerful, as someone mentioned above the vaccinations are simply a less powerful (dead) version of the main one.

So essentially this is the equivalent of a kid playing in mud.

[Cosette]

Originally Posted by JMonkey

So essentially this is the equivalent of a kid playing in mud.

There's mud, and then there's toxic hazardous waste. My kids will play in one - not the other.

[sarah786]

if u are exposed to diseases such as hepatitis b and not vaccinated, clean water wont help. notice i said not all vaccines r necessary, such as the bacterial ones like WHOOPING COUGH. however... some i would really recommend you get. some diseases are the result of unsanitary conditions such as tuberculosis. some arent. polio isn't. hepatitis isn't. there are different kinds of vaccines for different kinds of germs. some are 100 percent effective, some aren't. some are necessary some are not. im just saying... do ur research. VACCINES HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH KIDS DYING IN 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES for the person that wrote they don't. NOT ALL but a large amount of diseases could be prevented with vaccines. notice i said not all. it depends on the type of disease. there is not miracle vaccine that protects u from all diseases. i suggest you take a trip to south america.

and i wasn't being sarcastic. ive seen people dying in hospitals and listened to their stories. i only wish they could come up with a workable vaccination for tb. it's truly horrible.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by JMonkey

I do find it quite incredible that we endeavour to advance ourselves in medical sciences yet some people are happy to try and rewind the clock.

Actually, I'd like to get the clock moving forward to a time when a health "cure" doesn't involve getting shot up with stuff like pork gelatin, thimerosal, or MSG.

[Beuford]

Originally Posted by sarah786

if u are exposed to diseases such as hepatitis b and not vaccinated, clean water wont help. notice i said not all vaccines r necessary, such as the bacterial ones like WHOOPING COUGH. however... some i would really recommend you get. some diseases are the result of unsanitary conditions such as tuberculosis. some arent. polio isn't. hepatitis isn't. there are different kinds of vaccines for different kinds of germs. some are 100 percent effective, some aren't. some are necessary some are not. im just saying... do ur research. VACCINES HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH KIDS DYING IN 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES for the person that wrote they don't. NOT ALL but a large amount of diseases could be prevented with vaccines. notice i said not all. it depends on the type of disease. there is not miracle vaccine that protects u from all diseases. i suggest you take a trip to south america.

and i wasn't being sarcastic. ive seen people dying in hospitals and listened to their stories. i only wish they could come up with a workable vaccination for tb. it's truly horrible.

1. Done my research
2. It doesn't matter if a disease isn't directly caused by unsanitary conditions - it can still be indirectly effected.
3. No vaccination is 100% effective
4. Malnutrition and overcrowding(along with unsanitary conditions) are the problem with 3rd world countries, not vaccinations.

Actually, I'm going to stop writing this now. I've already written this and I'm just using the same arguments which still stand and haven't been debunked yet. So when you tell me that malnutrition and overcrowding along with unsanitary conditions aren't the main cause of disease in the third world, and you prove to me why, I'll post about it again. Good luck

[James81]

Originally Posted by bman

Military planning for possible H1N1 outbreak - CNN.com

I've got a nickel's worth of free advice for you, dude.

If you ever expect people to take you seriously, you're going to have to drop the whole conspiracy theory bit.

Even if you wholeheartedly believe that and have evidence, people aren't going to take you seriously at all.

Find other ways to support your arguements besides just conspiracy and perhaps people will entertain your thoughts.

That's just my constructive criticism.

[Mariam]

Not vaccinating is a good idea. I suggest you research beyond healthfreedomUSA but I have and I will never get a vaccination again. I'll list a few of my reasons briefly.

[Infinte7]

I was just using that website as an example, it was something simple, but there is loads of information to look into...

[liamona]

Did anyone see this article? It's interesting to get a scientist's view on the ManPigBird Flu.

Interview with Epidemiologist Tom Jefferson: 'A Whole Industry Is Waiting For A Pandemic' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

SPIEGEL: Do you think the WHO declared a pandemic prematurely?

Jefferson: Don't you think there's something noteworthy about the fact that the WHO has changed its definition of pandemic? The old definition was a new virus, which went around quickly, for which you didn't have immunity, and which created a high morbidity and mortality rate. Now the last two have been dropped, and that's how swine flu has been categorized as a pandemic.

[...]

Approximately 7 percent of influenza-like illness cases are caused by influenza viruses. It's a very small percentage. What I know is that real influenza is systematically overestimated.

SPIEGEL: So, at the moment is it reasonable to keep vaccinating against seasonal influenza?

Jefferson: I can't see any reason for it, but I'm not a decision maker.

[ns123]

It's ironic that people continue to use conspiracy theories to prove their point after they've been told that conspiracy theories do exactly the opposite.

If some one told me, "If you do X, I will not listen" I would find it very unproductive to keep doing X, over and over, thinking that if I add more anger and vehemence, hoping that they will finally see the light.

You don't have to prove your points to me, as I will still continue to vaccinate my children (and myself). And I actively choose to be a willing victim, in your view, to be a sheeple subjected to the whims of greedy pharm companies. I myself don't view it as that, but I don't think it's my job to convince you and I am definitely sure you will not convince me.

I think on this subject, I'll do as carenk did and slowly back out of the room.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by ns123

It's ironic that people continue to use conspiracy theories to prove their point after they've been told that conspiracy theories do exactly the opposite.

If some one told me, "If you do X, I will not listen" I would find it very unproductive to keep doing X, over and over, thinking that if I add more anger and vehemence, hoping that they will finally see the light.

Can you be a little more specific? I have no idea what you're referring to.

You don't have to prove your points to me, as I will still continue to vaccinate my children (and myself).

Because...you don't care about any of the facts? That's too bad, for your kids.

And I actively choose to be a willing victim, in your view, to be a sheeple subjected to the whims of greedy pharm companies.

I'm sure they're extremely happy to hear that. Somewhere I hear a cash register go cha-ching!

[Infinte7]

Originally Posted by ns123

It's ironic that people continue to use conspiracy theories to prove their point after they've been told that conspiracy theories do exactly the opposite.

If some one told me, "If you do X, I will not listen" I would find it very unproductive to keep doing X, over and over, thinking that if I add more anger and vehemence, hoping that they will finally see the light.

You don't have to prove your points to me, as I will still continue to vaccinate my children (and myself). And I actively choose to be a willing victim, in your view, to be a sheeple subjected to the whims of greedy pharm companies. I myself don't view it as that, but I don't think it's my job to convince you and I am definitely sure you will not convince me.

I think on this subject, I'll do as carenk did and slowly back out of the room.

Exactly, you will do as you are told...
Sometimes the truth hurts...

[Infinte7]

Paranoia?

YouTube - Henry Kissinger admits to the "New World Order"

[James81]

Originally Posted by liamona

Because...you don't care about any of the facts? That's too bad, for your kids.

Gotta be honest, haven't seen much in the way of "facts" in this thread. I've seen a boat-load of fear-mongering and conspiracy theories, though.