I do not think I will get my kids vaccinated...

[liamona]

This is a must-see video clip from the show, that people (especially those of you too young to remember) should watch in case they think the Powers That Be have your best interests at heart:

Dailymotion - Swine Flu 1976 & Propaganda

Here's a transcript link.

The Med Nauseum blog had an interesting post about this:

med nauseum blog: Swine Flu (H1N1) Vaccine: 1976 Redux?

[Beuford]

All I've heard is that the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine was a complete failure and injured many people. I'll check the video clip out. Thanks!

[Beuford]

Originally Posted by funchy

You use a computer but you don't "know nothing about" what's inside. You use a TV, I'm sure, and you also probably don't "know nothing about" how it works. Why accept all other modern technologies but reject a common medical prevention which has been in use much longer (vaccinations)?

I know how a computer works, and I know how a TV works. I also know how vaccinations (supposedly) work.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

Even US-citizens, remain in the dark about most vital-issues affecting them.
Surely, you don't expect someone in a more... socialist (than the USA currently) country, to be 'self-educated', do you?

This seems to be a wildly ignorant statement.

[bman]

cryptogon.com » Archives » EU666 Biodefense Stockpile and US666 Biodefense Stockpile

EU666 and US666 mark of the beast in vaccines? Biodefense stockpile.


Anyway, would you believe me if I told you, I had advanced information before the swine flu hit mainstream ?

YouTube - emergency notice! spread far and wide!!! Orchestrated Bird Flu Outbreak!

It was publicly understood that the US military released the swine flu stockpile to the masses through a truck company that was shipping the viles for them.

There's a radio interview conducted with a whistle blower before it all happened.

It seems they were very eager to shoot something into our veins and fast-tracking the vaccine without testing it.

Swine Flu Prevention Takes on New Urgency - WSJ.com

All flu to be assumed to be swine flu without counting.

WHO's advice: Just assume it's swine flu - Los Angeles Times


And I hope you all have done your research on this company called Baxter International. Search for Baxter vaccine contamination on google, tons of info for you to digest.

Some believe the coming vaccine is a deliberate eugenics process to weaken your immunity and cull you.

The world events are moving like a jigsaw puzzle now. Put them together and you will soon realized your whole life has been a lie.

[Beuford]

Originally Posted by bman

The world events are moving like a jigsaw puzzle now. Put them together and you will soon realized your whole life has been a lie.

Too bad that the majority of people don't care or are too skeptical of other information that doesn't come out of the news programs on TV to do any research.

[bman]

Originally Posted by Beuford

Too bad that the majority of people don't care or are too skeptical of other information that doesn't come out of the news programs on TV to do any research.

And if it turns out to be the truth, they wouldn't be thankful to people like us.

They will instead, blame the messengers for being part of the conspiracy because we knew about it beforehand.

We still live in a world where they burn 'witches' at the stakes.

I've been humiliated and derogated far too many times for tying pieces of jigsaw puzzles for people to read and wake them up.


There's the final/last card, which would sound ridiculous (but only for the brainwashed).

The last card after all the nazi/terrorist/northkorea/iran 'evil enemy' fails to convince the masses, is the extra terrestial/alien card.

Carol Rosin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She's willing to testify in Congress on a massive conspiracy by the global elite to stage a false flag alien invasion (possibly using black military projects)

Wernher von Braun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Before he died (he knew he was dying from cancer) von braun confessed to Carol about the conspiracy plan that was hatched out almost a 100 years ago to shape the future of humanity according to the believes of a few elites.

YouTube - Dr. Carol Rosin in the Disclosure Project



Of course people can just dismiss this as a conspiracy theory even though Carol has specifically said she would testify in Congress.

The world or rather, the Elites NEED a bogeyman to justify the existence of their US Military Industrial Complex.

Without an enemy, no spending would go there.

It's all about human power, greed, at the cost of our lives.

[Beuford]

Originally Posted by bman

I've been humiliated and derogated far too many times for tying pieces of jigsaw puzzles for people to read and wake them up.

I know what you mean. The same thing happens if you tell someone it is bad to wear shoes all the time, or if you warn them about fluoride. I've even been told, "You don't need to worry about that stuff in your life". I don't think most people care about the truth until it becomes mainstream, if it even becomes main stream at all.

I'll have a look at your links.

[bluedragon]

I think it's important for us to give a positive example by asserting our independence and authority when it comes to our lives (and the education of our children). By staying true to what we believe and not allowing ourselves to be controlled, we can show that personal freedom is not negotiable. By remaining calm but firm in our decisions when we talk to our friends, while being open to other opinions when they are well founded, we show that we are intelligent people. When they see that intelligent people make "crazy" decisions such as not vaccinating their kids or eating raw vegetables, they will begin to ask themselves - wait a minute, maybe this people aren't crazy - if they are making those choices, maybe there is something worth investigating after all.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by bman

And I hope you all have done your research on this company called Baxter International. Search for Baxter vaccine contamination on google, tons of info for you to digest.

Yeah, like how back in February Baxter "accidentally" released a contaminated mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses in Austria:

Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus | Canada | News | Toronto Sun

Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries by Mike Adams the Health Ranger

Originally Posted by Beuford

I don't think most people care about the truth until it becomes mainstream, if it even becomes main stream at all.

The WanttoKnow.info site has some good suggestions on how to spread the word about these issues on this page:

Spread the Word

[sarah786]

um they are RECOMMENDED vaccines ( in the list) NOT ALLLLLLL OF THEM ARE REQUIRED unless the child is immunocompromised. (such as influenza- thats not required. I never get flu shots). However SOME OF THEM ARE VERY NECCESARY!!!!!!!!! my dad has hepatitis B right now. you know why? he wasn't vaccinated. My uncle died from hepatitis B. ask ppl in india or china whose kids have polio what they would have had to have their kid vaccinated. PLEASE get the important ones atleast liek hepatitis B, polio. if u want to skip any, skip the flu ones and hepatitis A but get the necessary ones. YOU WILL REGRET IT if ur child dies a preventable death. not everything doctors do is wrong. if you dont know enough about it, than RESEARCH IT.

[sarah786]

also take a vacation to any third world country to see what comes out of lack of vaccines... the kinds of things children have to suffer because they were not vaccinated. it breaks my heart.

[Beuford]

Originally Posted by sarah786

also take a vacation to any third world country to see what comes out of lack of vaccines... the kinds of things children have to suffer because they were not vaccinated. it breaks my heart.

Vaccines aren't the answer for these people. Proper food supply and clean water is. I'm not sure if you are sarcastic or not(It can be difficult to read sarcasm) but lack of vaccines is no issue compared to lack of food and proper waste disposal like a flushing toilet.

[Infinte7]

If anyone is concerned with healing, let me make a few suggestions...

Tai Chi, Qi Qong, Pranic, and Reiki, these are all natural healing techniques and there are even some that involve sex for the frisky...

These are techniques that are ancient ancestors used and they are the true forms of healing, believe what you want...Our ancestors were not about the almighty dollar, they actually believe in alchemy (science, and mathematics), if anyone are cooks it is modern medicine...

[Infinte7]

Originally Posted by funchy

You use a computer but you don't "know nothing about" what's inside. You use a TV, I'm sure, and you also probably don't "know nothing about" how it works. Why accept all other modern technologies but reject a common medical prevention which has been in use much longer (vaccinations)?

Please research the infectious diseases your doctor wants to vaccinate for. Read up on what polio does to kids. It'll easily cripple a child for life. Talk to your grandparents, and they'll probably tell you before routine vaccinations, infectious diseases claimed sometimes 50% or more of kids under the age of 5. Mumps, measles, and rubella also serious things.



Thanks to vaccination smallpox is gone completely in the US. If we had pockets of hold-outs for smallpox vaccinations, we'd never be rid of it... and a % would get terribly ill and ever generation would be given the vaccine.

Odds are he/she will need the vaccinations later anyway: public school, university, travel abroad, ANY job in the nursing/doctor/alliedhealth field, etc. Why leave him/her unprotected for decades, just to vaccinate him later?

The need for vaccinations continues today, despite better sanitation. Right now whooping cough (pertussis) in the US is making a resurgence due to do so many people choosing to skip vaccinations. It's extremely contagious, and one source names it as the leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths worldwide. The vaccine for it has been used since the 1920s, and is safe and effective.

There is no proven link between routine vaccinations and autism. The one worry some parents hard was thimerisol, the mercury containing preservative used in vaccines, and as far as I know thimerisol is not used much anymore. There is a GENETIC link to autism they can see, so it may come down to simply a faulty gene plus a common environmental trigger. The odds of having an autistic child are significantly higher if a parent already has one autistic child.

There is no conspiracy to keep forcing things on us we don't need. When everyone was vaccinated for smallpox and it vanished from the population, they stopped giving the smallpox vaccine. If it was a conspiracy, wouldn't they keep selling us this unneeded injection?

You don't have to believe me. But please talk to a healthcare professional before making these important and possibly life-saving choices for your kids.

Ever heard of the H.A.A.R.P program, has alot to do with TV, and radio...They shoot these signals into the ionosphere for whatever reason, do the research...I know that alot of spiritual masters call the ionosphere the dream world, do you ever have trouble remembering your dreams?

I know I do compared to 10 yrs ago, something could be going on, or maybe not...

[aelle]

Originally Posted by sarah786

also take a vacation to any third world country to see what comes out of lack of vaccines... the kinds of things children have to suffer because they were not vaccinated. it breaks my heart.

For real. I wonder how many of you vaccine skeptics have actually been to developping countries where they are lacking? I can tell you that with similar food and water supplies, the expat communities and higher social classes are evidently better off because they have systematic access to vaccines and preventive medication (I'm thinking paludism and malaria pills, for example).

Questioning whether the risks of getting a vaccine outweigth the risks of getting a disease given your particular, sheltered environment is one thing. Negating vacines have a protective effect alltogether is gross misinformation.

[Beuford]

aelle, like I mentioned in reply to that post earlier, they are lacking proper food distribution and clean water, along with sanitary conditions. We can't supplement those with vaccinations and drugs.

[Infinte7]

Originally Posted by sarah786

also take a vacation to any third world country to see what comes out of lack of vaccines... the kinds of things children have to suffer because they were not vaccinated. it breaks my heart.

You do not think that could have anything to do with being malnourished do you? In my opinion, kids in third world countries getting diseases has alot more to do with having no food or water to drink, no shelter, etc...

Again, in my opinion, not having vaccinations has very little to do with why children in third world countries dieing of disease...

[liamona]

Originally Posted by Beuford

aelle, like I mentioned in reply to that post earlier, they are lacking proper food distribution and clean water, along with sanitary conditions. We can't supplement those with vaccinations and drugs.

No kidding. Although it does seem to help to give them (and first-world kids) vitamin A, as this important nutrient gets used up quickly in children exposed to viruses, especially the measles.

[funchy]

Originally Posted by Beuford

Vaccines aren't the answer for these people. Proper food supply and clean water is. I'm not sure if you are sarcastic or not(It can be difficult to read sarcasm) but lack of vaccines is no issue compared to lack of food and proper waste disposal like a flushing toilet.

How does that explain how we still have kids very sick with pertussis (whooping cough) in the US despite our toilets and modern food? Mumps, measles, and rubella are also still infecting unvaccinated people. Germs don't care if you have a toilet or not. They spread through the air, direct contact, infected items, etc. Even something as simple as the chef at McDonald's not washing his hands will spread disease.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by funchy

How does that explain how we still have kids very sick with pertussis (whooping cough) in the US despite our toilets and modern food? Mumps, measles, and rubella are also still infecting unvaccinated people. Germs don't care if you have a toilet or not. They spread through the air, direct contact, infected items, etc. Even something as simple as the chef at McDonald's not washing his hands will spread disease.

So pumping them up with animal ingredient-laced shots is a great solution, right?

[aelle]

Originally Posted by Beuford

aelle, like I mentioned in reply to that post earlier, they are lacking proper food distribution and clean water, along with sanitary conditions. We can't supplement those with vaccinations and drugs.

That's why I said given similar food and water supplies. Most South East Asian countries have excellent, nutritious and cheap food avaiable and safe public water system: everyone, rich or poor, has access to them. The significant difference is the access to preventive medecine. On the opposite, in some African countries like Liberia (or at least it was the case when my family was there) there is no proper nutrition available for anyone, rich or poor. Everyone survives on cabbage and potato leaves. Again, the discriminating factor is preventive medecine.

And, yes, Funchy is right, we do see resurgence of previously rare childhood diseases in non vaccinating or less vaccinating circles in developped countries. And not in the poorest communities either.
For example, Japan, who doesn't have compulsory measles vaccination and hardly provides boosters, has had severe measles outbreaks in the recent years. American countries who do vaccinate and give boosters quasi systematically, do not have such problems. And you can be certain that the general population's nutrition, hygiene and overall health is much superior in Japan than in the US.

[funchy]

I get the idea people don't understand how vaccines work. Why else are people so scared of something so straightforward?

Your body produces natural antibodies in response to infections diseases. Minor illnesses don't get out of hand before our body's immune system kicks into high gear fighting it, so we can survive things like chicken pox. But if you have something like hemoragic fever (Ebola), the infection is far stronger/faster than you're body's immune response and odds are you'll die.

Before vaccines, we just had to let germs take their course. Sometimes it was a good thing, like with chicken pox, we'd get lifetime immunity and it wasn't so serious. Sometimes in the process of fighting off the infection, permanent damage was done, such as in the kids crippled by polio. Small kids are especially vulnerable.

Vaccinations come in two forms (they're NOT all identical). Some work by presenting the body with a disabled or killed form of the germ. This doesn't do any damage, but the body can learn the germ and build immunity (which is most human vaccines). The other approach is to inject the markers made when an infection happens (not the pathogen itself), so the immune response is immediate but it's not as long lasting. I don't think anyone is qualified to decide against vaccinations unless they understand how these two types work, which type the proposed vaccination is, and any specific information about that particular vaccination.

Antibodies or killed viruses are not inherently toxic. We naturally make antibodies all the time. While it's remotely possible a contaminant can get into a batch of vaccines, it's also possible contaminants get into our food supply -- yet we don't refuse food.

If your body has never seen the germ before and you're exposed to something like Polio, no amount of good food and clean water will get rid of it. It takes its course, and a % of infected WILL get permanent damage. Remember, germs don't spread only by clean water. They spread by air, sneezes, contact, exchange of bodily fluids, you name it. It can be as simple as a single mosquito bite (malaria & west nile). We don't live in plastic bubbles.

I feel as if some think I'm mindlessly parroting the government, and I disagree. I don't claim to be an expert. I am in college on a med track. Once you see how blood titers (antibody levels) are measured or watch firsthand bacteria cultures grow, you realize it's not one big vaccine-company conspiracy theory. These germs really do exist and they really do kill people.

I hope that people will read up on each on disease & vaccination individually. Do we need the flu vaccines? Most of us: probably not. Do we need Mumps, measles, rubella, polio.... the consequences of not having them could be lethal, so I'd say yes. Talk to your doctors and get reliable medical information. We're adults and can make informed decisions but a baby cannot. Parents need to consider their doctor's advice. A toddler doesn't need to die from preventable childhood diseases.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by funchy

While it's remotely possible a contaminant can get into a batch of vaccines, it's also possible contaminants get into our food supply -- yet we don't refuse food.

So while you're adamantly against people eating "possibly" contaminated animal foods, you're not worried about injecting animal ingredients like "bovine products" that aren't even being tested for Mad Cow Disease? That makes no sense.

Never mind the fact that back in the sixties the government knew that the polio vaccine was contaminated with simian viruses (like SV-40. The 40 stands for the fortieth identified virus—isn't that special?), but let people get them anyway. This is just one extremely small issue with vaccines that makes me extremely leery of them—as should anyone with half a brain.

Is it such a news flash to realize that many in government are in bed with organizations whose primary motive is to make profits above all else?

Talk to your doctors and get reliable medical information.

Parents need to consider their doctor's advice.

Good idea—search for doctors like mine, who are against them and not only know the harm that they can cause, but know about nutrition and supplements that are good for building a strong immune system. It sure beats going to doctors who only have Big Pharma "health" solutions.

[Cosette]

Originally Posted by funchy

I get the idea people don't understand how vaccines work. Why else are people so scared of something so straightforward?

Your body produces natural antibodies in response to infections diseases. Minor illnesses don't get out of hand before our body's immune system kicks into high gear fighting it, so we can survive things like chicken pox. But if you have something like hemoragic fever (Ebola), the infection is far stronger/faster than you're body's immune response and odds are you'll die.

Before vaccines, we just had to let germs take their course. Sometimes it was a good thing, like with chicken pox, we'd get lifetime immunity and it wasn't so serious. Sometimes in the process of fighting off the infection, permanent damage was done, such as in the kids crippled by polio. Small kids are especially vulnerable.

Vaccinations come in two forms (they're NOT all identical). Some work by presenting the body with a disabled or killed form of the germ. This doesn't do any damage, but the body can learn the germ and build immunity (which is most human vaccines). The other approach is to inject the markers made when an infection happens (not the pathogen itself), so the immune response is immediate but it's not as long lasting. I don't think anyone is qualified to decide against vaccinations unless they understand how these two types work, which type the proposed vaccination is, and any specific information about that particular vaccination.

Antibodies or killed viruses are not inherently toxic. We naturally make antibodies all the time. While it's remotely possible a contaminant can get into a batch of vaccines, it's also possible contaminants get into our food supply -- yet we don't refuse food.

If your body has never seen the germ before and you're exposed to something like Polio, no amount of good food and clean water will get rid of it. It takes its course, and a % of infected WILL get permanent damage. Remember, germs don't spread only by clean water. They spread by air, sneezes, contact, exchange of bodily fluids, you name it. It can be as simple as a single mosquito bite (malaria & west nile). We don't live in plastic bubbles.

I feel as if some think I'm mindlessly parroting the government, and I disagree. I don't claim to be an expert. I am in college on a med track. Once you see how blood titers (antibody levels) are measured or watch firsthand bacteria cultures grow, you realize it's not one big vaccine-company conspiracy theory. These germs really do exist and they really do kill people.

I hope that people will read up on each on disease & vaccination individually. Do we need the flu vaccines? Most of us: probably not. Do we need Mumps, measles, rubella, polio.... the consequences of not having them could be lethal, so I'd say yes. Talk to your doctors and get reliable medical information. We're adults and can make informed decisions but a baby cannot. Parents need to consider their doctor's advice. A toddler doesn't need to die from preventable childhood diseases.

I don't think you understand what people are objecting to. It's not the disabled germs that people are afraid - it's the media that they're grown on, and the other additives that are included with them. I don't care much about shooting up a kid with some heat-killed-bug. But no way in hell I want my kid shot up with mercury.

Make sense?

[Beuford]

Yep, theres more to vaccinations than a dead virus.

[James81]

If you can find me a decent arguement that doesn't involve the person trying to tell me that the "evil" doctors are after my "almighty" dollar and that the vaccine companies are paying doctors to tell us that vaccines are necessary, I might be willing to read your arguements.

I've done some research on this, and I've found that the anti-vaccine crowd uses the "evil doctor" routine as the crux of their arguement, all the while their children get slammed with whooping cough and all kinds of other sickness that are easily preventable with a simple vaccine.

Of all my research, the only thing I am convinced of is that not all vaccines are particularly necessary at birth (you can delay some of them and your child would be ok). But on the other hand, it seems like it would be far less "tramautic" at birth than it would be when they are older.

[bman]

Originally Posted by James81

If you can find me a decent arguement that doesn't involve the person trying to tell me that the "evil" doctors are after my "almighty" dollar and that the vaccine companies are paying doctors to tell us that vaccines are necessary, I might be willing to read your arguements.

I've done some research on this, and I've found that the anti-vaccine crowd uses the "evil doctor" routine as the crux of their arguement, all the while their children get slammed with whooping cough and all kinds of other sickness that are easily preventable with a simple vaccine.

Of all my research, the only thing I am convinced of is that not all vaccines are particularly necessary at birth (you can delay some of them and your child would be ok). But on the other hand, it seems like it would be far less "tramautic" at birth than it would be when they are older.

The problem is not the evil doctors.

Doctors are just tools, they don't think, they do what they're taught to do.

What's evil is population control.

Corporations making money from your sickness and death.

You can dismiss the NWO as conspiracy theory but if you had been doing research and paying attention, it is becoming a reality.

You need to really think out of the box and see who's really in control of the world.

You can start with the financial system and then read up on occult stuff.

Then read up on Bohemian grove.


No, I am not going to point you to any links because if you were doing the research properly you would probably find these info online. Else nothing I point to you would convince you of anything.

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by bman

Doctors are just tools, they don't think, they do what they're taught to do.

Doctors don´t think?? The people who study medicine, who dig with their hands in your body, manage not to kill you... those doctors don´t think, they just do what they were thaught to do?

I guess all the trials and new ways of making people better are all just a front for the evil Corporations so they can do whatever it is that they do (oh, yeah, you already said it... making money!! That IS evil... how dare they make money!!)

No, i´m sorry but I don´t believe this, not for 1 second.

Corporations don´t control the population. The people who run the corporations anyway would be the ones doing that... that means that not just 1 person, no a whole line of people is Evil... Not just the CEO, but also all the board members, all their secretaries, all their scientists... Do you truly believe this is true??

[greeneyedgirl]

Originally Posted by bman

Doctors are just tools, they don't think, they do what they're taught to do.

Wow. I think I'm speechless.