Phone radiation

[Andrew Gubb]

I don't think Steve ever wrote anything about this issue. I'd love to know whether he uses a mobile phone.

[Beuford]

I haven't seen his opinion on it either. I've used a mobile phone before it's not that good. I think they make most of the sales to young people who want the latest phone to stay cool with their friends. Incase you are wondering I am 15.

[Andrew Brunelle]

Mobile phones are toxic. They are as damaging to the brain as cigarettes are to the lungs. I've read multiple studies on cell phone radiation and know for a fact that they are causing all sorts of health problems. I haven't owned a mobile phone in 5 years other than a TracFone I keep in my car for emergencies only. I've never had to use it. I have a distinct feeling that mobile phones will be this generation's cigarette. Thank God they aren't physically addictive...yet.

[iCANiQ]

Its interesting for a lot of people to dismiss the harmful effects of mobile phones, usually the phone companies.

If you look a little more broadly, rather than focus specifically on mobile phones you can find numerous links to how radio transmitters (ie. phones) can cause damage. I have personally heard people going blind over exposure to similar frequences when working on radio equipment.

It is also a known fact that in high enough power/energy transmitters can kill people. You cannot stand in front of high power transmitting antennas. But sure, phones do no damage, everybody knows if you only smoke a little bit its OK.

[funchy]

Can someone post some of these studies? I have not seen them. Thank you.

Forgive my skepticism. It's just that tvs and computers also produce electromagnetic radiation, but clearly we're not afraid to use computers. Radio & tv stations and cellphone towers are all around us, emitting radio-wave signals, so why aren't we all sick?

[Jthorn]

so why aren't we all sick?

Aren't we? As far as I know, we 're still struggling to understand cancer and its causes. Although it's fairly obvious that a modern lifestyle promotes it. So there's your hint.

There are studies that show correlation between electromagnetic fields and cancer. Particularly concerning children living near power lines. This of course is not definitive proof of causation and thus it's more convenient to keep at it rather than change.

Personally though, I 've concluded that rather than worry about such things, it's far more beneficial to focus on a healthy body. Our body is capable of and deals with cancerous cells all the time. Disease happens when it's overwhelmed.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

Mobile phones are toxic. They are as damaging to the brain as cigarettes are to the lungs. I've read multiple studies on cell phone radiation and know for a fact that they are causing all sorts of health problems. I haven't owned a mobile phone in 5 years other than a TracFone I keep in my car for emergencies only. I've never had to use it. I have a distinct feeling that mobile phones will be this generation's cigarette. Thank God they aren't physically addictive...yet.

Not all of us are old. Many of us RELY on cell phones. It's a key component to my life and business. I'm glad you haven't used a cell phone. The less cell phones used, the better mine will sound. To equate it to cigarettes tho? Show us these multiple studies. I bet you haven't even tried to look for opposing studies. When someone like you who uses the word "KNOW" and "FACT" to describe something that all you've done is read a few studies about, then that's reason enough to assume you have already closed your mind off to ANY other possible studies, research, or reasons.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by funchy

Can someone post some of these studies? I have not seen them. Thank you.

Forgive my skepticism. It's just that tvs and computers also produce electromagnetic radiation, but clearly we're not afraid to use computers. Radio & tv stations and cellphone towers are all around us, emitting radio-wave signals, so why aren't we all sick?

Phone radiation is supposed to be microwaves. So TVs and computers aren't so bad. Also microwave signals dissipate over distance a lot, so it's only a problem if you have them right up against your head. So I understand.

[Shray]

Hey, ima first timer here, but I figured I might be able to add something to this conversation!

Just like all EM radiation, phone radiation dissipates in air according to the inverse square law- the amount of dissipation is proportional to the distance from you, squared. That means a small distance can make a big difference to the radiation you receive!

The thing you must understand is that radiation like microwaves, infra red and even light from the sun is very different to high energy 'ionising radiation'. The former forms cause damage to tissue simply by heating them up, and UVB (the highest energy of the non-ionising spectrum) can cause skin cancers by causing minor damage to DNA- nothing like what ionising radiation can do. The latter category includes X rays, gamma rays, B particles,etc- these have much higher energy and cause damage to DNA directly, by knocking out electrons in atoms and hence breaking DNA strands.

Anyway, I'm a bit of sceptic but here's the main writeup correlating mobile phone use and brain cancer-

Brain-surgery.us ~ Brain surgery, Brain surgeon, Neurosurgery, Neurosurgeon, Brain tumor, Brain tumour, Brain aneurysm, Brain aneurism

The study drawn from this data is here:
ScienceDirect - Surgical Neurology : Cell phones and brain tumors: a review including the long-term epidemiologic data

The rate of Glioma (the main primary brain tumour) is still quite low so I wouldn't be comparing it to lung cancer anytime soon. If you're concerned, a good idea is to simply use handsfree and keep the actual mobile phone a foot from you, or in your pocket.

Anyway, hope this helped!

[funchy]

Originally Posted by Jthorn

Aren't we? As far as I know, we 're still struggling to understand cancer and its causes.

Cancer has been around quite a bit longer than cell phones.

[Andrew Gubb]

I checked cancer stats here, and since 1975 the incidence of most cancers has fallen while brain cancer has remained steady. Hmm...

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

I checked cancer stats here, and since 1975 the incidence of most cancers has fallen while brain cancer has remained steady. Hmm...

Don't pick at straws. What that is also saying is that since cell phones, brain cancer has NOT risen. Hmmm... You just made the point for completely clear. If the link between cell phones and cancer is real, then rates of brain cancers should have increased over the last two decades. Almost everyone went from no cell phones to being on them for hours a day, yet cancer rates have not jumped dramatically? If that doesn't tell you that this is all bogus, then I don't know what will. Why isn't everyone saying that the increases in the number of brain cancers might reflect the use of sophisticated imaging techniques like computed tomography and magnetic resonance imaging? I guess no one cares about that little fact.

[jamesbiz]

Another example would be, if we use Japan as our stepping stone. Almost always do they use their phones on the right side, due to being primarily right handed, yet there is no spike in brain cancer on the right side. Isn't that odd? And if we wanna talk about people who use technology a lot, it would HAVE to be the Japanese. There is no pattern shown anywhere to lead anyone to truly believe cell phones cause anything.

[Andrew Gubb]

^I'm not for or against phones James, I really don't know what my opinion is. I just searched out the stats to see if there was anything and that came up. I agree, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. The fact that it hasn't gone UP since then does sound like it should mean phones don't cause any damage, but on the other hand most cancers were going down so in comparison it's like an increase. Just one statistic doesn't mean anything though. There are so many factors.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

^I'm not for or against phones James, I really don't know what my opinion is. I just searched out the stats to see if there was anything and that came up. I agree, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. The fact that it hasn't gone UP since then does sound like it should mean phones don't cause any damage, but on the other hand most cancers were going down so in comparison it's like an increase. Just one statistic doesn't mean anything though. There are so many factors.

sophisticated imaging techniques like computed tomography and magnetic resonance imaging and dental x rays?