I thought that I was a vegan, but I am a nutritarian

[ginkgo]

The word, nutritarian, was coined by Joel Fuhrman MD in a book that he wrote. A vegan could have a diet of only jelly beans, crackers and pretzels. But nutritarian is referring to someone that eats only nutrient dense foods. You can search the word, but I am not sure if that means no animal foods, so I guess that I am both vegan and nutritarian.

Here is a good site on it: How To Eat

[BoBoGuy]

Save yourself from chronic illness and premature death. Become a nutritarian: a person who seeks out nutrient-dense foods, while avoiding unhealthful foods. The objective is to eat less macronutrients (less protein, less carbohydrate, and less fat), but more micronutrients (naturally occurring vitamins, minerals, and photochemicals). This has remarkable benefits for your health. Even if you are young and healthy, the choices you make today will have a profound effect on your future health, and on how much enjoyment you derive from your lifetime.

Eat For Health: A Nutritarian is Different Than a Vegetarian : Disease Proof

[James Reno]

I have a copy of Dr. Joel Fuhrman's book "Eat For Health". It is really quite good, thorough, and informative.

It is actually the book that got me on the Raw Food pursuit of health I am now on, and am building my website about.

Since reading the book and incorporating a more Nutrient Dense and Raw Food Lifestyle, I have lost 26 lbs. and have been able to get off my diabetes medicine!

To Your Health!
James Reno

[Beuford]

And my family is still trying to tell me that whitebread is healthy. Wow, I've come along way by researching and reading these forums.

[BoBoGuy]

Dr. Fuhrman’s high-nutrient, vegetable-based diet style is the key to optimal health, increased longevity and disease prevention. High-nutrient eating, as a therapeutic intervention, is most often MORE effective than drugs and surgery at restoring health from chronic diseases.

[stanmrak]

Did you know that the original government food pyramid was largely designed by the food industry primarily to focus on higher-profit types of food — not necessarily health?
For those of you who aren't that fond of fruits and vegetables, superfoods like chlorella, spirulina, wheat grass powders, acai, goji, mangosteen, raw chocolate and others can provide the equivalent of 3 or more servings of ordinary fruits and vegetables in a single tablespoon or two!

[actualize81]

I have complete respect for the vegan way of eating as well as eating nutrient dense foods. However, many people truly need animal protein and complementary vegan sources just will not suffice.

If you look at the Blood Type Diet and you're an 0 type, you definitely need animal products in your diet or seriously need to supplement. I'd be willing to be Steve Pavlina is a blood type A, which is why he thrives on his Raw Vegan diet. What do you guys think?

[BoBoGuy]

Joel Fuhrman MD talks about diets that don't work, and nutrient density as the key to healthy eating.

YouTube - Nutrient Density is the Key to Good health

[amj]

Originally Posted by actualize81

I have complete respect for the vegan way of eating as well as eating nutrient dense foods. However, many people truly need animal protein and complementary vegan sources just will not suffice.

If you look at the Blood Type Diet and you're an 0 type, you definitely need animal products in your diet or seriously need to supplement. I'd be willing to be Steve Pavlina is a blood type A, which is why he thrives on his Raw Vegan diet. What do you guys think?

Do people with Blood type O need animal protein or do they just need more protein than others? From what I heard a lot of animal protein is destroyed when it is cooked.

[Beuford]

I never understood how having blood type O halves the length of your intestines and makes your stomach 10-20x as acid as everyone else.

[Joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by actualize81

I have complete respect for the vegan way of eating as well as eating nutrient dense foods. However, many people truly need animal protein and complementary vegan sources just will not suffice.

If you look at the Blood Type Diet and you're an 0 type, you definitely need animal products in your diet or seriously need to supplement. I'd be willing to be Steve Pavlina is a blood type A, which is why he thrives on his Raw Vegan diet. What do you guys think?

I think it's bunk. Why use blood type? Why not a hair color diet?

My eyes are blue
Hair is Red
Skin is pale
Blood type is B
My Rh factor is positive
My earlobes are detached
I can roll my tongue

What I don't know is all of my other blood types

ISBT N° Common name abbreviation Epitope or carrier, notes Locus
001 ABO ABO Carbohydrate (N-Acetylgalactosamine, galactose). A, B and H antigens mainly elicit IgM antibody reactions, although anti-H is very rare, see the Hh antigen system (Bombay phenotype, ISBT #18). 9
002 MNS MNS GPA / GPB (glycophorins A and B). Main antigens M, N, S, s. 4
003 P P1 Glycolipid. 22
004 Rhesus RH Protein. C, c, D, E, e antigens (there is no "d" antigen; lowercase "d" indicates the absence of D). 1
005 Lutheran LU Protein (member of the immunoglobulin superfamily). Set of 21 antigens. 19
006 Kell KEL Glycoprotein. K1 can cause hemolytic disease of the newborn (anti-Kell), which can be severe. 7
007 Lewis LE Carbohydrate (fucose residue). Main antigens Lea and Leb - associated with tissue ABH antigen secretion. 19
008 Duffy FY Protein (chemokine receptor). Main antigens Fya and Fyb. Individuals lacking Duffy antigens altogether are immune to malaria caused by Plasmodium vivax and Plasmodium knowlesi. 1
009 Kidd JK Protein (urea transporter). Main antigens Jka and Jkb. 18
010 Diego DI Glycoprotein (band 3, AE 1, or anion exchange). Positive blood is found only among East Asians and Native Americans. 17
011 Yt or Cartwright YT Protein (AChE, acetylcholinesterase). 7
012 XG XG Glycoprotein. X
013 Scianna SC Glycoprotein. 1
014 Dombrock DO Glycoprotein (fixed to cell membrane by GPI, or glycosyl-phosphatidyl-inositol). 12
015 Colton CO Aquaporin 1. Main antigens Co(a) and Co(b). 7
016 Landsteiner-Wiener LW Protein (member of the immunoglobulin superfamily). 19
017 Chido/Rodgers CH/RG C4A C4B (complement fractions). 6
018 Hh/Bombay H Carbohydrate (fucose residue). 19
019 Kx XK Glycoprotein. X
020 Gerbich GE GPC / GPD (Glycophorins C and D). 2
021 Cromer CROM Glycoprotein (DAF or CD55, regulates complement fractions C3 and C5, attached to the membrane by GPI). 1
022 Knops KN Glycoprotein (CR1 or CD35, immune complex receptor). 1
023 Indian IN Glycoprotein (CD44 adhesion function?). 11
024 Ok OK Glycoprotein (CD147). 19
025 Raph MER2 Transmembrane glycoprotein. 11
026 JMH JMH Protein (fixed to cell membrane by GPI). 6
027 Ii I Branched (I) / unbranched (i) polysaccharide. 6
028 Globoside P Glycolipid. 3
029 GIL GIL Aquaporin 3. 9
030 Rh-associated glycoprotein RHAG Rh-associated glycoprotein 6p21-qter


Until I figure out all 30 of the known blood groups, I will have no idea what I should eat!

What should i eat based on the day I was born, i think astrology should tell me how to be really healthy! My sun sign is in Libra on the Virgo cusp and that means I should eat carrots, but my rising sign is in Sagittarius and my moon is is cancer so that means i shouldn't eat orange things. What do I do?

There are no studies that show that blood type is a factor in diet when it comes to health and longevity. There is no scientific basis for saying that people with an O blood type should eat a meat based diet.

[BoBoGuy]

Fresh fruits are an important component of the natural diet of all primates. Humans and other primates have color vision and the ability to appreciate sweets. We are designed this way so that we can recognize ripe fruits and be attracted to them. We have a natural sweet tooth designed to direct us to those foods most critical for our survival, but sugar and candy manufacturers also know that bright colors and sweet tastes are instinctually attractive. They have used that knowledge to their advantage. Remember, your instinctual reaction is designed to lead you to fruit—not sugary, processed foods. Fruit is an indispensable requirement to maintain a high level of health. Fruit consumption has been shown to offer the strongest protection against certain cancers, especially oral, esophageal, lung, prostate, and pancreatic cancer.

Researchers also have discovered substances in fruit that have unique effects on preventing aging and deterioration of the brain. Some fruits, particularly berries, are rich in phytochemicals that have anti-aging effects. Berries are an excellent, nutrient-dense, low-calorie source of vitamins and phytochemicals. Researchers have seen that blueberries also have protective effects for brain health in later life. In addition, certain pectins—natural parts of the cellular makeup of fruits such as oranges, kiwis, and pomegranates—also lower cholesterol and protect against cardiovascular disease.

As you can see, fruit is vital to your health and well-being and can contribute to lengthening your life. While our natural, sweet desires are usually satisfied by convenient “treats,” we can use fresh and frozen fruits to make delicious desserts that are healthy and taste great.

This is an excerpt from the book Eat For Health

[funchy]

Originally Posted by actualize81

If you look at the Blood Type Diet and you're an 0 type, you definitely need animal products in your diet or seriously need to supplement. I'd be willing to be Steve Pavlina is a blood type A, which is why he thrives on his Raw Vegan diet. What do you guys think?

Sorry, but I disagree. There is zero science behind the blood type diet. What we call blood "type" are just two of the most common markers red blood cells carry on their cell membranes ("A" and "B" markers). There are 30 common markers scientists refer to, yet somehow the Blood Type Diet ignores this.

There is no science behind the hidea that a class of people "need" animal products. People of all races have gone vegan successfully.

[scorpio1980]

You can take or leave what you have read, but I for one as a blood type o feel much better with meat in my diet. I tried vegan, and veggie, and got very weak, ill, and sickly. Animal foods have brought me good health.

[Andrew Brunelle]

I really like that new pyramid. It puts the old one to shame. I always thought it was crazy, even as a small child in first grade, that we need 6-12 servings of grains a day. It was very bottom-heavy, while this new one is very bottom-light because the vegetables are way more natural and don't consume as many calories per pound.

[Beuford]

Originally Posted by scorpio1980

You can take or leave what you have read, but I for one as a blood type o feel much better with meat in my diet. I tried vegan, and veggie, and got very weak, ill, and sickly. Animal foods have brought me good health.

I fail to see how this is related to blood type O.

Perhaps blood type O people have the slightest amount more of tolerance to meat, but nothing else would be different.

[Joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by scorpio1980

You can take or leave what you have read, but I for one as a blood type o feel much better with meat in my diet. I tried vegan, and veggie, and got very weak, ill, and sickly. Animal foods have brought me good health.

Well you can also take or leave what you have read, but i for one as a eye type blue feel much better without meat in my diet. It must be because of my blue eyes.

Correlation does not equal causation. Your blood type has nothing to do with what is healthy for you to eat.

[stanmrak]

There's no one diet that fits everyone... and don't blindly follow anyone who insists otherwise. Pick and choose facets from the diet philosophies that work for your body. It will tell you if you pay attention.

As far as blood-type diets go, after much research and listening to my body for 20 years, and building my diet around what felt best, I ended up with a diet that turned out to be "right" for my blood type, before that theory ever came out. Maybe just a coincidence, maybe not.

[BoBoGuy]

When you are a billionaire, and 83 years-old, and driven by a personal crusade to change the health of the people you meet, social graces take a back seat. Recently, while Dole Food owner David H. Murdock was talking to a contractor about a construction job, he stopped the conversation short by telling the man he was too fat and would die before the job was finished. Murdock offered the man an extra $100,000 dollars bonus if he lost 60 pounds. They eventually agreed on 30 pounds.

Murdock wasn't always that outspoken about nutrition and health-- the death of his wife to cancer changed him. He came to the belief that it was years of eating a diet high in saturated fats that led to her death. He became a vegetarian after losing her, and rather blunt with anyone he meets now who seems to be allowing themselves to be overweight or to eat unhealthy.

It is difficult to be too offended by his brashness and lack of diplomacy, considering his history of loss and subsequent motivation.

David Murdock's Diet and Fitness Routine - Video - Oprah.com

[BoBoGuy]

Originally Posted by scorpio1980

You can take or leave what you have read, but I for one as a blood type o feel much better with meat in my diet. I tried vegan, and veggie, and got very weak, ill, and sickly. Animal foods have brought me good health.

Red meat and processed meats contain more saturated fat and trans fat than other animal products, and, therefore, are poorer food choices. However, the fat issue does not tell the whole story. Scientific studies have documented that red meat has a much more pronounced association with colon cancer and pancreatic cancer compared with other animal products. The consumption of red meat and processed meats on a regular basis more than doubles the risk of some cancers. Even ingesting a small amount of red meat, such as two to three ounces a day, has been shown to significantly increase the risk of cancer. Toxic nitrogenous compounds (called N-nitroso) occur in larger concentrations in red meat and processed meats. Red meat also has high haem (also spelled heme) content. Haem is an iron-carrying protein, and it has been shown to have destructive effects on the cells lining our digestive tract. Processed meat, luncheon meat, barbequed meat, and red meat must not be a regular part of your diet if you are looking to maintain excellent health into your later years of life.

The frequent consumption of animal products also increases the risk of cancer. To achieve optimal health, we require a significant exposure to a full symphony of phytochemicals in unprocessed plant matter that we would not be eating sufficiently as animal products increase as a percent of total calories and the percentage of vegetation decreases proportionally. Also, since animal products contain no fiber, they remain in the digestive tract longer, slowing digestive transit time and allowing heightened exposure to toxic compounds.

Your goal is to gradually reduce the consumption of animal products in your diet until you’re only consuming them two to three times per week, but you should certainly avoid processed meat and barbecued meat.

Dr. Joel Fuhrman, MD

[Angela Leeds]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

The word, nutritarian, was coined by Joel Fuhrman MD in a book that he wrote. A vegan could have a diet of only jelly beans, crackers and pretzels. But nutritarian is referring to someone that eats only nutrient dense foods. You can search the word, but I am not sure if that means no animal foods, so I guess that I am both vegan and nutritarian.

i love that fuhrman clarified this point -- it's what i most relate to, personally. definitely vibes well with the core of my own message around food.

fuhrman practices in my neck of the woods and i remember going to see him speak when i was first experimenting with the raw vegan lifestyle. he's very pragmatic and passionate about nutrition.

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by BoBoGuy

Red meat and processed meats contain more saturated fat and trans fat than other animal products, and, therefore, are poorer food choices.

Red meat contains saturated fat, but doesn't contain any trans fats. Saturated fats are healthy fats which occur in animal fats and coconut and palm oil. The easiest way to distinguish them from other fats is that they are solid at room temperature, while the unsaturates are liquid. Since there was an unfounded witch-hunt on healthy saturated fat based on Ancel Keys' Lipid Hypothesis - the idea that saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease - (so far with zero reliable backup in the scientific literature and finally but silently dropped in the area of science), new fats which are solid at room temperature were needed which led to the invention of trans-fats, a human creation. You take plant oil and expose it to hydrogen, thus saturating the fat and making it solid. These transfats ARE known to be unhealthy, but have been introduced because of the idea that natural saturated fats are bad. Why people came up with the idea that chemically creating an unnatural type of saturated fat to replace them is really beyond me.

And why the highly-accredited Dr. Fuhrman mixes up the two is also beyond me, btw.

As a side note, if you eat the nutritarian diet Dr. Fuhrman recommends to lose weight, you will get the bulk of your calories from your own fat, which has a fat composition similar to lard. So in the end the lipid hypothesis is saying that your body is built to store excess calories in the form of fats that will kill you when you use it.

Originally Posted by BoBoGuy

However, the fat issue does not tell the whole story. Scientific studies have documented that red meat has a much more pronounced association with colon cancer and pancreatic cancer compared with other animal products. The consumption of red meat and processed meats on a regular basis more than doubles the risk of some cancers. Even ingesting a small amount of red meat, such as two to three ounces a day, has been shown to significantly increase the risk of cancer.

Yup, through lots of epidemiological studies, which can only show correlation and suggest hypotheses, not prove them - like the ones "proving" the brilliant lipid hypothesis. I would really like to see a real intervention study on this.
Given the sorry state of current "proof" for this, Dr. Fuhrman will have to explain to me how it is that the people in Okinawa, who live longer than any other humans on this planet, eat lots of pork and cook their food with lard.

Originally Posted by BoBoGuy

Toxic nitrogenous compounds (called N-nitroso) occur in larger concentrations in red meat and processed meats. Red meat also has high haem (also spelled heme) content. Haem is an iron-carrying protein, and it has been shown to have destructive effects on the cells lining our digestive tract.

I'd like to see that, too. So far I've seen this as a good thing since heme iron is better absorbed. Also low-carb (read: high-meat) diets are used successfully as treatment for all sorts of digestive illnesses.

But this is indeed news to me, so if there is anything available on this, please let me know.

Originally Posted by BoBoGuy

Processed meat, luncheon meat, barbequed meat, and red meat must not be a regular part of your diet if you are looking to maintain excellent health into your later years of life.

The frequent consumption of animal products also increases the risk of cancer. To achieve optimal health, we require a significant exposure to a full symphony of phytochemicals in unprocessed plant matter that we would not be eating sufficiently as animal products increase as a percent of total calories and the percentage of vegetation decreases proportionally. Also, since animal products contain no fiber, they remain in the digestive tract longer, slowing digestive transit time and allowing heightened exposure to toxic compounds.

Well, the Masai consider plant-food non-human food. The Inuit don't get any plant-food either. They get neither fiber nor plant-phytochemicals and are doing just fine - no cancer, no heart-disease. If you start an all-meat diet to try it, yes, in the beginning, you can get constipated (but don't have to), but this will stop after a few days.

Which toxic compounds? I know of toxins in plants, which they use as a defense from being eaten, but why would organic beef contain toxins?

Originally Posted by BoBoGuy

Your goal is to gradually reduce the consumption of animal products in your diet until you’re only consuming them two to three times per week, but you should certainly avoid processed meat and barbecued meat.

I avoid processed meat, but not barbecued meat. Still, I eat lots of meat and am feeling just fine. Lots of saturated fat, too, but no trans fats.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by Joeschmoe

I think it's bunk. Why use blood type? Why not a hair color diet?

My eyes are blue
Hair is Red
Skin is pale
Blood type is B
My Rh factor is positive
My earlobes are detached
I can roll my tongue

What I don't know is all of my other blood types

ISBT N° Common name abbreviation Epitope or carrier, notes Locus
001 ABO ABO Carbohydrate (N-Acetylgalactosamine, galactose). A, B and H antigens mainly elicit IgM antibody reactions, although anti-H is very rare, see the Hh antigen system (Bombay phenotype, ISBT #18). 9
002 MNS MNS GPA / GPB (glycophorins A and B). Main antigens M, N, S, s. 4
003 P P1 Glycolipid. 22
004 Rhesus RH Protein. C, c, D, E, e antigens (there is no "d" antigen; lowercase "d" indicates the absence of D). 1
005 Lutheran LU Protein (member of the immunoglobulin superfamily). Set of 21 antigens. 19
006 Kell KEL Glycoprotein. K1 can cause hemolytic disease of the newborn (anti-Kell), which can be severe. 7
007 Lewis LE Carbohydrate (fucose residue). Main antigens Lea and Leb - associated with tissue ABH antigen secretion. 19
008 Duffy FY Protein (chemokine receptor). Main antigens Fya and Fyb. Individuals lacking Duffy antigens altogether are immune to malaria caused by Plasmodium vivax and Plasmodium knowlesi. 1
009 Kidd JK Protein (urea transporter). Main antigens Jka and Jkb. 18
010 Diego DI Glycoprotein (band 3, AE 1, or anion exchange). Positive blood is found only among East Asians and Native Americans. 17
011 Yt or Cartwright YT Protein (AChE, acetylcholinesterase). 7
012 XG XG Glycoprotein. X
013 Scianna SC Glycoprotein. 1
014 Dombrock DO Glycoprotein (fixed to cell membrane by GPI, or glycosyl-phosphatidyl-inositol). 12
015 Colton CO Aquaporin 1. Main antigens Co(a) and Co(b). 7
016 Landsteiner-Wiener LW Protein (member of the immunoglobulin superfamily). 19
017 Chido/Rodgers CH/RG C4A C4B (complement fractions). 6
018 Hh/Bombay H Carbohydrate (fucose residue). 19
019 Kx XK Glycoprotein. X
020 Gerbich GE GPC / GPD (Glycophorins C and D). 2
021 Cromer CROM Glycoprotein (DAF or CD55, regulates complement fractions C3 and C5, attached to the membrane by GPI). 1
022 Knops KN Glycoprotein (CR1 or CD35, immune complex receptor). 1
023 Indian IN Glycoprotein (CD44 adhesion function?). 11
024 Ok OK Glycoprotein (CD147). 19
025 Raph MER2 Transmembrane glycoprotein. 11
026 JMH JMH Protein (fixed to cell membrane by GPI). 6
027 Ii I Branched (I) / unbranched (i) polysaccharide. 6
028 Globoside P Glycolipid. 3
029 GIL GIL Aquaporin 3. 9
030 Rh-associated glycoprotein RHAG Rh-associated glycoprotein 6p21-qter


Until I figure out all 30 of the known blood groups, I will have no idea what I should eat!

What should i eat based on the day I was born, i think astrology should tell me how to be really healthy! My sun sign is in Libra on the Virgo cusp and that means I should eat carrots, but my rising sign is in Sagittarius and my moon is is cancer so that means i shouldn't eat orange things. What do I do?

There are no studies that show that blood type is a factor in diet when it comes to health and longevity. There is no scientific basis for saying that people with an O blood type should eat a meat based diet.

I totally agree with all the above. It is nonsense. The info on blood types says that salt is good for one blood type. It is toxic to everyone. If that blood type is on the ocean dying due to lack of fresh water, the salt water will not save him. If he consumes 4 ounces of salt, it will kill him. This is simple chemistry.

What is a fact is the guy made a lot of money with this idea that he invented.