If my body was meant to eat veggies, then why do my taste buds completely disagree?

[jamesbiz]

I'm what they refer to as a supertaster. My taste buds are very large, plentiful, and sensitive. I was reading a blog and it finally made perfect sense. Aren't humans made to detect things that they shouldn't eat? I'm not complaining that veggies don't taste good. I'm complaining that to ME, veggies taste absolutly vile and disgusting, with a horrible bitter taste.
Why kids don’t eat their greens « Plant Poisons and Rotten Stuff – The Blog

I've been like this since I was a little kid. Dad had to pick me up from school because I literally puked when they forced me to eat a salad ( this was communist Russia, so yes they FORCED), and they just thought I was picky. I can't take hot liquid or food. Well, just read the article, and you'll understand, and then answer my one question.

Was I born to not eat veggies, and doesn't the body know what it needs and doesn't need?

[KazeCraven]

I'd have said that it was because they weren't organic, but I know little about communist Russia and doubt that was the case.

If you literally vomit when eating veggies I think it would be foolish to force yourself to eat veggies because they are 'healthy'.

By the way, does everything else taste good to you or is it just animal products? Sounds like you should be getting more milk, eggs, and meat. Have you ever tried raw milk(unpasteurized), raw eggs, or raw meat(non-cancerous ofc)? I've heard that it's pretty good stuff.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by KazeCraven

I'd have said that it was because they weren't organic, but I know little about communist Russia and doubt that was the case.

If you literally vomit when eating veggies I think it would be foolish to force yourself to eat veggies because they are 'healthy'.

I lived in communist Russia, and so did my family since it BECAME communist Russia. They forced me to eat it, and when I didn't, they called my dad to pick me up because I was misbehaving. So don't doubt that was the case.

I haven't puked since I was young, because I have a gag reflex and know better now. I can eat veggies if prepared right to where the taste is gone ( which most of the time means you cooked all the stuff out of it ) or I mix it with other things which masks the chemicals. If I bite down on a veggie hidden in food, then I gag and spit it up. My point tho, is that something that my body psychically rejects, can't be something that is good for me, right?

I eat plenty of meat. I LOVE meat. I love seafood. I love chicken. I've ate plenty of raw eggs. I've ate raw steak, but would rather it be cooked, but I've never tried raw milk before. My body seems to handle all the stuff quite well actually. All my family and relatives have always been fairly skinny and healthy. I didn't write that article tho. I strongly identify with it because it sounds like my life story. He's written a lot more then that in his blogs, if you dig deeper

[funchy]

My taste buds LOVE the taste of chocolate cake and mountain dew soda. Does this mean I should ignore healthy food? My body must know I should live on doughnuts and Hershey bars, right?

Is it possible you have a food sensitivity? Have you talked to an allergist? And does it happen on organic food.... could it be a reaction to pesticides?

Vomiting isn't about tastebuds, and it's not normal to vomit when eating veggies. If it were me, I'd talk to doctors and find out the source of the vomiting.

"Plant Poisons and Rotten Stuff "

I've seen that site before. Alien Robot Girl person is an angry ex-vegetarian who thinks anyone who chooses not to eat meat is a PETA brainwashed follower... and in one of her posts she went on some tangent about how PETA kills dogs in shelters, so therefore it's stupid to eat vegetables (um, ok?!). I think she must've overdosed on bacon grease, and it's affecting her ability to reason. So consider the source before taking her advice.

She couldn't figure out vegetarianism, so her blog is all about how the rest of the world is wrong and she is right.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by funchy

My taste buds LOVE the taste of chocolate cake and mountain dew soda. Does this mean I should ignore healthy food? My body must know I should live on doughnuts and Hershey bars, right?

Is it possible you have a food sensitivity? Have you talked to an allergist? And does it happen on organic food.... could it be a reaction to pesticides?

Vomiting isn't about tastebuds, and it's not normal to vomit when eating veggies. If it were me, I'd talk to doctors and find out the source of the vomiting.

Like I said, it's not about not liking veggies. It's about finding the taste of them completely vile. Do you not have a gag reflex, and does your gag reflex not work when you eat something that just tastes horrible or vomit if you were made to eat something that tastes really bad? I haven't thrown up since I was a little boy, and that was only because I wasn't able to gag the food out and they forced me to swallow it. Now I'm able to gag before I get to the point of having to throw up, so I haven't done it in over 18 years. Why is it not normal then to vomit if I eat veggies? I ate organic too, yes. In Russia, we even grew our own stuff. Has nothing to do with pesticides. There is nothing I'm allergic too. No one in my family has ever been allergic to anything, and I don't have an allergic reaction to the veggies. I just gag at the horrible taste of them. I don't need to find out the source. I have very sensitive tastes buds and they detect those bitter chemicals. Nothing a doctor can tell me will change that. I have a visibly different tongue then anyone I've compared it to.

If my body was made to so violently reject this type of food, why would it be good for me? Comparing it to liking chocolate? No, that's a very bad example, sorry. Something tasting good does not mean it's good for you. Something tasting really bad usually does mean it's bad for you. Your body craves things that taste good, not for nutritional value. That's just liking something. Your body craves nutrients that you need, and allows you to find things edible that you normally would not, when you are lacking certain things. Just like people who get stranded out at sea. They'll eat the tasty parts of the fish, but when their body starts craving what they NEED, they start eating the eyes, and other disgusting things, which now taste good to them.

[Lena Carpenter]

First of all, that article is one of the most whiny articles I've ever read. If your goal is to justify why you won't eat vegetables, then go on, and comfort yourself.

If you'd like to eat more vegetables, then start trying lots of different ones, prepared in different ways. You are bound to find some that you enjoy eating. If you have been eating a lot of junk food and fried meats, unnatural foods in other words, you might need some time adjusting to new taste. For example, when I gave up sugar for a month, any fruit tasted intensely sweet. In other words, your body does know, when it's not ill and clogged up with unnatural foods.

By the way, people enjoy certain amount of bitter taste in their food, so it's not necessarily, that you are tasting something different.

[kattsand]

Originally Posted by funchy

My taste buds LOVE the taste of chocolate cake and mountain dew soda.

That is because humans are programmed to like sweets. Sugar (high in energy) is not really sweet it's just that our brains perceive it as sweet. You need energy to survive.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Lena Carpenter

First of all, that article is one of the most whiny articles I've ever read. If your goal is to justify why you won't eat vegetables, then go on, and comfort yourself.

If you'd like to eat more vegetables, then start trying lots of different ones, prepared in different ways. You are bound to find some that you enjoy eating. If you have been eating a lot of junk food and fried meats, unnatural foods in other words, you might need some time adjusting to new taste. For example, when I gave up sugar for a month, any fruit tasted intensely sweet. In other words, your body does know, when it's not ill and clogged up with unnatural foods.

By the way, people enjoy certain amount of bitter taste in their food, so it's not necessarily, that you are tasting something different.

I don't eat any junk food. No fried foods. I don't even eat that much meat lately. I have fruits, berries, dried fruits, nuts, corn, pees, tomatoes, etc etc in my fridge. I rarely eat out and I NEVER eat at fast food restaurants. I don't ingest any sugar, other then from fruit. No soda, and no juice. I drink a gallon of water a day. So to respond to what you said, I eat very healthy.
I eat veggies ( and everything is organic), by preparing them a certain way, or else I can't eat them, but that usually means destroying the nutrients in them. My goal was to show that I'm not the only one like that. I'm also trying to figure out if I'm going against my own bodies wishes. Yeah, sure I can probably get used to it, but I've never seen something nature that is supposed to be good for you, that also tastes completely horrible. It's not a certain amount of bitter taste. I like bitter, I'm fine with that. It's when it's so bitter that I gag. Even when I don't eat any meat for awhile. I still have it. Everything I eat is intensified dramatically, be it sweet, sour, or bitter. Sure I used to drink soda, but I never got used to the taste of it either. Same with beer. I just drank it because everyone else was. And usually I waited till it was flat, or else I had a hard time drinking it. If I put a piece of mint gum to the tip of my tongue, it will start to burn and I can't hold it for longer then a few second, and my entire mouth will water. No matter how much I eat mint, it still has that effect. What would you have me do, kill my taste buds like everyone who drinks really hot liquids or spicy peppers? I can't drink hot liquids or eat hot foods. I can go on and on.

I wanna eat more veggies, but I'm just trying to figure out if my body is trying to tell me something, and that I'm not just going along for the ride of the vegan fad train.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by funchy

She couldn't figure out vegetarianism, so her blog is all about how the rest of the world is wrong and she is right.

Do you mean "rest of the world" or the 3-5 % who are vegetarians? Huge difference, over 6 billion souls actually. Vegetarians are a minority because it's not a very popular choice so.........Since you can't figure out omnivorism* does that mean all your posts are about how you are right and over 6 billion people are wrong? Or, are you just sharing your personal experience like the woman you are talking about is?

[liamona]

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

Was I born to not eat veggies, and doesn't the body know what it needs and doesn't need?

Maybe you should stick to the milder-tasting ones.

I wanna eat more veggies, but I'm just trying to figure out if my body is trying to tell me something, and that I'm not just going along for the ride of the vegan fad train.

It sounds like you need to get off that train pronto. Or at least make frequent station changes.

[Plays With Life]

Christ, it sounds like you're MAD about something. You're almost hostile in your responses. If you don't want to eat veggies then don't, you don't have to convince anyone :P If it's such a pain then why are you doing it in the first place?

A few ideas:

I think the body does always know what it needs as far as food, and you'll be drawn to those foods, and not interested in other foods. So listen to that.

Which vegetables have you tried, exactly? Have you tried every different vegetable on the planet? It may be that you're just not hitting on the veggies that you do want.

You've associated vegetables with oppression. So eating vegetables now feels like submitting to slavery. That could be mildly uncomfortable.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Plays With Life

Christ, it sounds like you're MAD about something. You're almost hostile in your responses. If you don't want to eat veggies then don't, you don't have to convince anyone :P If it's such a pain then why are you doing it in the first place?

A few ideas:

I think the body does always know what it needs as far as food, and you'll be drawn to those foods, and not interested in other foods. So listen to that.

Which vegetables have you tried, exactly? Have you tried every different vegetable on the planet? It may be that you're just not hitting on the veggies that you do want.

You've associated vegetables with oppression. So eating vegetables now feels like submitting to slavery. That could be mildly uncomfortable.

wow. Oppression. Mad. Hostile. I'm amazed how you got any of that out of what I said, but ok.

should I have just said leafy, as well as green veggies? Pretty much almost everything most people would consider a vegetable, I've tried. It's not about wanting. It's about being able to tolerate. Still everyone doesn't wanna answer my real question. Is my body telling me that I should not eat these foods, if it has such a harsh reaction to them, and wouldn't the body not do that for things that I NEED?

[Plays With Life]

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

It's not about wanting. It's about being able to tolerate.

Yeah, I meant the things your body wants. It doesn't tolerate them because it doesn't want 'em.

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

Still everyone doesn't wanna answer my real question. Is my body telling me that I should not eat these foods, if it has such a harsh reaction to them, and wouldn't the body not do that for things that I NEED?

My take on this is that your body does know what it needs and doesn't need, so listen to that.

[Lena Carpenter]

What do you eat on a typical day? Food journal could be useful with your response to the foods you are eating. You have peas and tomatoes in your fridge, so are those OK for you? How do you make your vegetables to make them taste better?

Have you tried some green smoothies, which are raw greens, mixed with leafy greens? You can try with a very small amount of leafy greens and increase, if you like.

I think maybe people are not answering your question because you just say that you hate your vegetables, and that's a very big generalization. It's a little hard to believe. Most people, even those who say they hate vegetables, do have some that they will like and eat.

Also, I would definitely keep a food journal. Your taste buds don't necessarily indicate what your body needs. What does is how you feel after you eat foods. If those foods are healthy, after a while of eating them, you WILL crave more.

[Angela]

Interesting. I've been given a hard time since I was a kid for my absolute refusal to eat some of the things on that list -- grapefruit, apricot, olives, peppers, and a couple of bitter greens -- but it went well beyond just not liking the taste and into active revulsion. My refusal was taken as brattiness -- still is; Danger Man gets irritated by my "pickiness" -- but it's not like when you just don't enjoy the taste of a food, and maybe could learn to like it. It's more like my sense of smell and taste interprets it as poison.

I never thought anything of it because it's a pretty small number of foods and I'm sure I get the nutrients I need from others. But if you can't stomach ANY vegetables, I can see where you'd be concerned. I think you might want to see a nutritionist who has experience with this phenomenon and make sure you're getting everything you need, and aren't forcing yourself to eat something that might have negative effects on you.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Angela

Interesting. I've been given a hard time since I was a kid for my absolute refusal to eat some of the things on that list -- grapefruit, apricot, olives, peppers, and a couple of bitter greens -- but it went well beyond just not liking the taste and into active revulsion. My refusal was taken as brattiness -- still is; Danger Man gets irritated by my "pickiness" -- but it's not like when you just don't enjoy the taste of a food, and maybe could learn to like it. It's more like my sense of smell and taste interprets it as poison.

I never thought anything of it because it's a pretty small number of foods and I'm sure I get the nutrients I need from others. But if you can't stomach ANY vegetables, I can see where you'd be concerned. I think you might want to see a nutritionist who has experience with this phenomenon and make sure you're getting everything you need, and aren't forcing yourself to eat something that might have negative effects on you.

That's exactly me to a T! The whole " interpret as poison" thing is what this whole discussion is about. I can fight my way through eating stuff, but not if my body doesn't want or need it.

[Plays With Life]

This reminds me of when I was vegetarian in Latin America. The idea there is that meat is what the body needs, and vegetables are the poor-man's food that you only eat when you can't afford meat. So everyone tried to get me to replace the vegetables I was eating with meat. People were constantly trying to convince me that I was eating wrong by eating so many vegetables. I just told 'em that I was eating based on how I feel. Even then they didn't believe me :P Doctors in Latin America will also recommend that you keep a certain amount of processed sugar in your diet, for health purposes. Too little sugar is unhealthy.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Lena Carpenter

What do you eat on a typical day? Food journal could be useful with your response to the foods you are eating. You have peas and tomatoes in your fridge, so are those OK for you? How do you make your vegetables to make them taste better?

Have you tried some green smoothies, which are raw greens, mixed with leafy greens? You can try with a very small amount of leafy greens and increase, if you like.

I think maybe people are not answering your question because you just say that you hate your vegetables, and that's a very big generalization. It's a little hard to believe. Most people, even those who say they hate vegetables, do have some that they will like and eat.

Also, I would definitely keep a food journal. Your taste buds don't necessarily indicate what your body needs. What does is how you feel after you eat foods. If those foods are healthy, after a while of eating them, you WILL crave more.

Yes, and peas and tomatoes aren't vegetables. Peas are legumes and tomatoes are fruit. I'm talking about the REAL veggies. Cabbage, lettuce, broccoli, etc etc. Stuff with leaves mainly. I'm changing my entire diet around for a little while, so I can't really say what I eat on a day to day basis. I eat yogurt, raspberries, banana, plums, water melon, whole wheat bread, milk, almond milk, organic cereal, various nuts, sweet tomatoes, carrots, steamed broccoli and cauliflower. I'm making a green smoothie now with a serving of organic baby greens, water melon, and pomegranate juice. First few times I drank it, I got really light headed... Don't know why, and no one could answer it in my other thread. Oh and I get in a protein shake every now and then. When I start working out again, it will be two a day.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Plays With Life

Yeah, I meant the things your body wants. It doesn't tolerate them because it doesn't want 'em.



My take on this is that your body does know what it needs and doesn't need, so listen to that.

So I should stop eating leafy greens?

[Plays With Life]

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

So I should stop eating leafy greens?

I'm not going to tell ya what you should or shouldn't do. You'll have to make that decision for yerself

[Herbivore]

In that other thread, I said healthy food is natural food we naturally want. I recently started questioning whether we're meant for vegetables(and I've been a vegetarian for 16 years). Raw, I don't like most greens, except romaine, spinach and celery. I like almost every fruit.

[Lena Carpenter]

Originally Posted by jamesbiz

Yes, and peas and tomatoes aren't vegetables. Peas are legumes and tomatoes are fruit. I'm talking about the REAL veggies. Cabbage, lettuce, broccoli, etc etc. Stuff with leaves mainly. I'm changing my entire diet around for a little while, so I can't really say what I eat on a day to day basis. I eat yogurt, raspberries, banana, plums, water melon, whole wheat bread, milk, almond milk, organic cereal, various nuts, sweet tomatoes, carrots, steamed broccoli and cauliflower. I'm making a green smoothie now with a serving of organic baby greens, water melon, and pomegranate juice. First few times I drank it, I got really light headed... Don't know why, and no one could answer it in my other thread. Oh and I get in a protein shake every now and then. When I start working out again, it will be two a day.

Oh, I get you, although I wouldn't consider steamed broccoli and cauliflower as unhealthy. There is so many vegetables without leaves like squash and bell peppers (although you could argue bell pepper is a fruit too .

I wouldn't mix your watermelon with other foods, especially with pasteurized pomegranate juice. I would be reluctant to even eat greens, although I suppose that might work all right. Bananas and berries mask the taste of greens extremely well, in my opinion. Also, have your green smoothie separately or at least a half an hour before having any other food. See how you feel after you do that a few times. I'd be extremely curious to see if you feel good after drinking some green smoothies. If not, then maybe you shouldn't eat any leafy greens

[Lena Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Herbivore

In that other thread, I said healthy food is natural food we naturally want. I recently started questioning whether we're meant for vegetables(and I've been a vegetarian for 16 years). Raw, I don't like most greens, except romaine, spinach and celery. I like almost every fruit.

I have to admit, I see your point. I don't find raw kale very appetizing. I think I saw you say something about how raw almonds are not so tasty, but I disagree (and I'm not talking about store bought ones). I used to love hazelnuts straight from the tree too! So I will never believe that we are not meant to eat nuts. They are very good.

Anyway, you were talking about vegetables. Actually, raw zucchini tastes fairly good, although I do admit, I like it in my raw soup with spices much better. Also, I love my salads too, and I absolutely love the taste of fresh green herbs moderation. I always loved green onions.

A bit of an argument against what you are saying, nothing authoritative, just continuing our discussion. A lot of primitive cultures eat all kinds of foods, and they are usually as healthy as can be, until civilized foods are introduced. They eat all kinds of foods, both cooked and raw, but a lot of them are processed in some ways. For example, in Central California, Indians used to eat acorns. They ground them up, and following a certain process to remove the bitterness, then made breads from them. Why would you not think that it's natural for a human being to take a food and modify it in some way? That's what distinguishes humans from monkeys. Humans started making tools and made things to fit into their lifestyle.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Lena Carpenter

Oh, I get you, although I wouldn't consider steamed broccoli and cauliflower as unhealthy. There is so many vegetables without leaves like squash and bell peppers (although you could argue bell pepper is a fruit too .

I wouldn't mix your watermelon with other foods, especially with pasteurized pomegranate juice. I would be reluctant to even eat greens, although I suppose that might work all right. Bananas and berries mask the taste of greens extremely well, in my opinion. Also, have your green smoothie separately or at least a half an hour before having any other food. See how you feel after you do that a few times. I'd be extremely curious to see if you feel good after drinking some green smoothies. If not, then maybe you shouldn't eat any leafy greens

Squash, peppers, and zucchini are all fruits . No need to argue it tho. The only reason certain foods are classified as veggies is for tax reasons, and that is all. If it has seeds, it's not a veggie. It's funny, because almost all the "veggies" that people say taste good, most of them aren't actually veggies. I only have a problem with REAL veggies.

Can you explain more about the watermelon with other foods, especially the pom juice?

I'll try the green smoothie and hour before any other food.

[aggie]

wow...such intensity about food!

jeff3...those of us who may choose or have chosen vegetariansim at one time...understand omnivorism very well...simply don't want to do it

i once had someone tell me i should eat meat, because humans are higher up on the food chain and that is the way it should be

i prefer to think i have evolved on the food chain

i don't know what our poster started out eating as an infant and a toddler...but part of the whole natural baby food thing came from the amount of sugar and salt in baby foods which conditioned us to that taste.

juicing may be a way to go, been out of it for a while...but the basis can be carrot or apple mixed with other fruits and veggies...the apple can sweeten pretty much anything in juicing.

[Lena Carpenter]

What are real veggies then? Maybe you don't need them all that much? Do you like celery? Do you consider cucumber a fruit too? Do you like carrots? I always thought that fruits grow on trees, and that's how you know they are fruits and not vegetables.

As for watermelon, it's about combining foods for better digestion. Melons are best eaten on their own. I just took a guess that pasteurized juice won't combine as well as freshly squeezed juice. I've seen people make smoothies out of watermelon with some other fruit, so it's up to you if you want to do that. Raw foods tend to combine better, no matter what combination, but some foods still don't go together too well. Fruit is always best eaten on its own, although you can combine different types of fruit. Some of the veggies might be fruits in reality, but they still won't combine well with sweet fruit. Leafy greens go good with everything. Some people say not to combine acid and sweet fruits either, but in my experience, they are digested fine. Google food combining chart.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by aggie

wow...such intensity about food!

jeff3...those of us who may choose or have chosen vegetariansim at one time...understand omnivorism very well...simply don't want to do it

i once had someone tell me i should eat meat, because humans are higher up on the food chain and that is the way it should be

i prefer to think i have evolved on the food chain

i don't know what our poster started out eating as an infant and a toddler...but part of the whole natural baby food thing came from the amount of sugar and salt in baby foods which conditioned us to that taste.

juicing may be a way to go, been out of it for a while...but the basis can be carrot or apple mixed with other fruits and veggies...the apple can sweeten pretty much anything in juicing.

This was communist Russia. No baby foods. Started off with breast milk, and then proceeded from there. I ate what ever my family ate, yet I don't like anything they eat now. No processed food. Everything was grown or gotten from the nearby market. No publixs obviously

oh and I have intensity about life in general.

[jamesbiz]

Originally Posted by Lena Carpenter

What are real veggies then? Maybe you don't need them all that much? Do you like celery? Do you consider cucumber a fruit too? Do you like carrots? I always thought that fruits grow on trees, and that's how you know they are fruits and not vegetables.

I do not like celery. I actually despise it. Can't stand the sound of it even lol A cucumber is a fruit as well, and I can eat it, but don't like it, just because. I love carrots. The definition of food would surprise you. Almost everything we think we know about food, is wrong. Our teachers are wrong. Our parents are wrong. Our parents are wrong because of their teachers and their teachers are wrong because of their parents.... you get the point. Fruit doesn't have to be on a tree. How about bushes? It's all about what is on the inside. Mostly, they say that a fruit is something that comes from a flower, but there is a more complex definition to it.

[MasterD]

Live on just fruits for a couple of weeks and see how great those greens taste.

[greeneyedgirl]

To the OP,

I've learned to like foods that previously made me gag. (A true gag that took will and training to not empty my stomach on the spot.) As far as I know, I wouldn't get classified as a super taster, though I enjoy or dislike certain foods very passionately. I've intentionally learned to like foods I didn't like because I felt it would be more convenient to like them and I'd heard enough things to indicate these particular foods were healthy. Examples: green tea (likely healthy, but even if not, it was to replace a coffee addiction that may or may not be unhealthy depending on who you listen to, but it was unhealthy for me specifically) Also several veggies (actually, sorry fruit): cucumber, squash, zucchini, etc. I just ate them again and again, ignoring the gag reflex, and evenutally, I started to like them. I'm not sure why I like them (mind over matter?), but I don't care about the why in this case. It's easier for me to eat at restaurants or friends' houses now that I'm less picky. I have no desire to learn to like beer or pickled beets or lobster liver, but maybe if I'm convinced they are good for me, I will do this.

Your reaction and taste buds sound more extreme, so I probably haven't been helpful. Also, I'm not sure what the gag reflex indicates in terms of what to eat. It's an interesting question, but I choose to disregard mine and I eat the things I once hated that are more likely to be healthy than some of the stuff I might otherwise be eating.

I was also wondering if you were to make a green smoothie, but have almost no greens. Maybe just 1/2 leaf. Maybe you won't be able to detect the leafy taste. Then, you could either slowly work up to more greens, or add more and more disguising flavour (of a healthy variety). I find bananas help cancel out the green flavour. (And cinnamon.) Also, I find swiss chard and spinach the most benign of flavours. I can put 200 g in 1 liter of smoothie easily and not taste the greens per se, although I can see them and sometimes feel the fibers. I started with maybe 50 g. Kale, on the other hand, is pretty gross even at 100 g for me.