Meat lovers and omnivores

[Amadeus]

The China Study finds that even if you don't eat a lot of meat and diary, removing the portions that you do will help your health.

Think about the corporate interests when it comes to selling meat and diary products. There are huge profits centers to selling dairy and even meat. However, do you think there is a lot of profit in selling an apple or a carrot stick? You can can't really add any "value" to these products. Fruits and vegetables are what they are. So they want to sell you cereal with loads of sugar and unnatural crap, because it is profitable for them.

[thadroe]

Originally Posted by november

And, who says ppl aren't accepting the consequences of their choices? There is the underlying assumption that if someone eats meat, he or she is somehow irresponsible. That is not something that can proven as truth, so why even worry about it?

I probably worded that poorly. My thoughts were more in the direction of knowing the consequences. I say that because many people don't understand just how much your diet impacts your health. It obviously has a HUGE impact.

As I said before, whether a person eats meat or not, they are kidding themselves if they think they can maintain good health without keeping it down to a minimum and eating mostly fruits and vegetables.

Thad

[november]

Originally Posted by Amadeus

The China Study finds that even if you don't eat a lot of meat and diary, removing the portions that you do will help your health.

Like I said, saying something will help your health if you remove it does not necessarily (and inherently) mean that it is bad.

However, do you think there is a lot of profit in selling an apple or a carrot stick? You can can't really add any "value" to these products. Fruits and vegetables are what they are.

If this were true, there wouldn't be GMOs and RoundUp Ready. The fact is that food is a profitable industry, if you can get in on the chemical side, no matter what food items you're peddling.

As I said before, whether a person eats meat or not, they are kidding themselves if they think they can maintain good health without keeping it down to a minimum and eating mostly fruits and vegetables.

The problem with statements like this is that "good health" is subjective. If you use more objective language, you might be able to convince more ppl to think of things the way you think of them.

It is difficult to put ppl down ("they are kidding themselves") and build them up (do this...it is healthier for you) at the same time. Things cancel out.

[Amadeus]

Have you even read the China study? The findings are not subjective at all? There are more mortality rates based on chardiovascular disease in countries that have higher amounts of fat. The US and England are at the top of the list. Countries that have less mortality rates based on cardiovascular disease are in Asia where they don't eat as much high fat meat. They eat a lot of fish and rice. You can't say that it is genes either because they showed that Asians have the same mortality if they live in our environment.

No, corporations do not make a gross amount of profit on whole foods like fruits and vegetables because the fixed costs are too high. However, if you can utilize eggs and diary to make "fake food" you can make a killing.

[escapee]

I would really like my old dad to remove his smoking habit (3 packs per day) because it's bad for him and the family ( as per the scientific evidence and statistic ). Why would my old dad pay for something that harms his body? i have no clue .. But i do know this , never underestimate the "force" of money and marketing in combination by the big big corporation .

One of these days , we may find ourselve eating highly addictive food as bad as nuclear device because the corporate sponsored media portrays it as healthy and cool ! ( a bit of exaggeration here )

Fortunately , my old dad is taking plenty of tea + garlic & traditional herbs daily and that sort of balance back the damage that's done .

[thadroe]

Like I said, saying something will help your health if you remove it does not necessarily (and inherently) mean that it is bad.

So would you say that about smoking? That it's not inherently bad?

Don't take that question the wrong way. I just want to get a better understanding your point of view. I haven't taken a lot of time to read and absorb the subjective reality/objective reality posts so I may be missing what you're trying to say.

Thad

[Wreck]

I eat animal carcass. I feel like I'm at an AA meeting... Heck, if God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

Seriously though, I don't see how anyone can deny the problems with eating high amounts of saturated fats. The only time I know of people can get away with it without negative side effects are if they're in ketosis. And even then, there are no long term studies of keto diets. (FYI, proponents of the Atkins/keto diets like to use the Inuits' high fat diets as examples. However, the Inuits' diet consists mostly of unsaturated fats high in Omega 3s, not the saturated fats of fowl and red meat.)

I don't think of it in terms of "meat is bad," but in terms of "excessive meat is bad." Heck, my portions are too big all around. As with everything else, temperance is a virtue.

[thadroe]

I eat animal carcass. I feel like I'm at an AA meeting... Heck, if God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

LOL....too funny!

[MartialDev]

Originally Posted by goodstyles

Huh? It doesn't concern him? Now I am intrigued...

What sort of development is being stunted by needing to ask this?

Here's the problem: if you don't have the sensitivity to feel the effects of this type of decision, then you will unknowingly undo any benefits by the actions you never thought to ask about. I hope this is clear enough; I'll address it at length on my blog, eventually.

[dorothy hanna]

Hi All,
I'm basically all over the map, anymore. I eat what I want. I even drink Coca-Cola. I quit bothering myself about it all.
I went for years,and only ate very healthy things, and I was vegan for 10 months, and I had the worst gas problem ever. I couldn't even stay in the room with myself. I do eat a gluten-free diet though, as I'm gluten intolerant, so, If it's gluten-free, I'll eat it.

[Paul Park]

Originally Posted by Amadeus

The China Study finds that even if you don't eat a lot of meat and diary, removing the portions that you do will help your health.

Think about the corporate interests when it comes to selling meat and diary products. There are huge profits centers to selling dairy and even meat. However, do you think there is a lot of profit in selling an apple or a carrot stick? You can can't really add any "value" to these products. Fruits and vegetables are what they are. So they want to sell you cereal with loads of sugar and unnatural crap, because it is profitable for them.

I was near vegan for a long time, but now I eat whole, home grown foods, including meat, as naturally grown or raised as possible (but I don't obsess about the naturally grown part). I more or less follow the diet recommended by the research of Dr. Weston Price. On the Weston Price website, there is a review of the book The China Study.

Thumbs Down Book Review: The China Study: Startling Implications for Diet, Weight Loss, and Long-Term Health

I certainly have not done the research necessary to confirm or negate the conclusions of The China Study or of the review, but this review shows me that the conclusions made in the book may not be as cut and dried as they would appear.

[Andy]

Alright, this thread has inspired me. Starting today I'm going to go meat-less for a week, maybe two weeks and see how it goes from there. Does skim milk count? I'll be keeping that in.

[Dharma]

I'm inspired to have a bacon sandwich!

[escapee]

Andy , you can also get more inspiration by reading the story of a Vegan trible, do consider B12 supplement should you decide to go for long term

The vegan tribe

We reached the ancient juniper trees by noon and hugged the trees to soak in their energy. After spending several hours in this picturesque place, it was time to visit some of the elderly Aryans. We shared a meal that consisted of jo (barley) roti baked in an earthern oven, lettuce leaves, roasted potato, spring onion, boiled cauliflower and wild mint. Women cooked in an open hearth, burning fallen twig collected from the trees in their courtyard. There is a strict taboo against tree felling. The simple meal was fresh and extremely tasty. The following week the trek continued into the villages of Baldes, Samit, Garkun, Darchik and Hanu. The few thousand Brok-pa Aryans have over 5,000 years lived in these hostile terrain at 15,000 ft altitude, subsisting on a vegan diet.

Music and dance are a way of life for them. Both men and women wear colourful costume, decorating their hair with flowers, and are full of joi de vivre. They live in harmony with nature, and are cheerful and stress-free despite living in small rock shelters. They trek long distances.

Almond, apricot and walnut form part of the diet along with endless cups of black tea fortified with barley flour.

The weather in September is pleasantly cold, though temperatures in January can plummet to -20 degrees Celsius. There are an unusually large number of Aryans above 70 years. Many are active even at 90.

Their striking features include blue eyes, aristocratic noses, fair complexion and flawless skin. They appear ethnically distinct from Ladakhis or Kashmiris. They do not marry outsiders and restrict their contact with the outside world, seemingly happy in their isolated existence. Married women braid their hair, which gives them a resemblance to Greeks. One of the women photographed at Dah could have easily been mistaken for a German tourist. She was blonde and had high cheekbones, rotund face and unmistakable German features.