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Beuford · 07-16-2009, 06:32 AM

Hi, a lot of people I've seen now are saying we are much closer to herbivores than most people realise. Now I don't want this to become a discussion about human, herbivore and omnivore anatomy so try to keep the controversy minimum. Though I agree humans should be at least mostly herbivorous.

The thing I want to know is, what would be the difference between eating 100 grams of mixed insects compared to eating 100 grams of beef? or other red meats, or even chicken and other birds. I have no doubt the insects would be much healthier(unless poison) and I believe humans naturally ate insects and only animals when there wasn't enough plants available to live off.

The other thing is, with our long intestines and alkaline saliva and not so acidic stomach and all that we have that herbivores have, would eating insects be effected by this? or would they pass through like plants, especially if we only ate small amounts at a time?

Maybe insects are a good source of B12? So you could be a natural herbivore appart from insects, and be fully sustained on all vitamins that you need without supplements.

Lisa McGregor · 07-16-2009, 01:02 PM

I wonder how many insects grazing animals like cows land up eating?

KazeCraven · 07-16-2009, 04:43 PM

Probably a great deal. Have you ever tried to eat organic kale without washing it? Mine was absolutely full of bugs.

I still have an aversion to eating insects, but I'm sure I can get over it as I did with swallowing raw eggs. We just need a guinea pig to test...

Herbivore · 07-16-2009, 08:36 PM

Not sure what you're really asking but It really doesn't matter what foods you get your nutrients from. Nature didn't make it tricky to survive.

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Originally Posted by KazeCraven

Probably a great deal. Have you ever tried to eat organic kale without washing it? Mine was absolutely full of bugs.

I'd say none. Slim chance cows are eating organic food.

And I eat mostly organic. I rarely run into bugs.

KazeCraven · 07-16-2009, 08:39 PM

Really? No bugs? I need to get some from your store. I had to stop buying.

And I completely forgot that most cows these days aren't out grazing as they should be, but if they were, then they'd probably be catching plenty of bugs.

Beuford · 07-17-2009, 06:15 AM

I'm just wondering if anyone knows how healthy bugs and insects are compared to beef, and if they'd cause the same problems meat does or to a much lesser extent.

scorpio1980 · 07-17-2009, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Beuford

I'm just wondering if anyone knows how healthy bugs and insects are compared to beef, and if they'd cause the same problems meat does or to a much lesser extent.

What exactly is this meat inducing problem that you speak of?

Beuford · 07-17-2009, 07:10 AM

Heart problems mostly, and the long list of them. I just want to know how different our system would treat bugs and insects than it would treat beef or chicken. Whether they are the same or different.

scorpio1980 · 07-17-2009, 07:45 AM

I highly doubt meat causes health problems, in fact i'm healthier for it. Bad nutrition along with other bad lifestyle choices cause health problems, and dis-ease. I believe insulin to be the culprit behind most every dis-ease. Trans fat, refined carbs, excess sugar in any form, artificial man made additives, antibiotics, hormones, and the like cause problems. A diet of whole, natural foods does not lead to disease. I believe insects to be highly nutritious. A diet of fresh meats, fish, eggs, fruits, veggies, nuts & seeds, along with proper exercise, rest, and happiness lead to health.

Beuford · 07-17-2009, 08:01 AM

I don't want to argue that meat is healthy or unhealthy, I just want to know if insects are meat like beef or chicken is meat, and if a herbivorous digestive system is negatively effected by instects like it would be from chicken or beef.

scorpio1980 · 07-17-2009, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beuford

I don't want to argue that meat is healthy or unhealthy, I just want to know if insects are meat like beef or chicken is meat, and if a herbivorous digestive system is negatively effected by instects like it would be from chicken or beef.

Why do you believe meat to negatively affect your digestive system? Not trying to argue, trying to see where you are coming from.

chrisrushton · 07-17-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Beuford

Heart problems mostly, and the long list of them. I just want to know how different our system would treat bugs and insects than it would treat beef or chicken. Whether they are the same or different.

I tell you what it'd do to my system... constantly make me puke!

The thing with protein is they are just amino acids. Once they break down it doesn't matter where they come from. Plants, beef, bugs, whey shakes etc. It says on the back of my shake tub that it has an excellent amino acid profile but i have a sneaking suspicion thats marketing hooey.

Plenty of people eat bugs, it's taught as a survival technique for special forces and those guys are tough. If it was adversely affecting their operational ability I doubt they'd be taught it. If it's good enough for the british SAS I'm sure it's good enough for you

Excellent Lodestar · 07-17-2009, 09:29 PM

for what it's worth, Paleo man did eat Insects, grubs, etc...
As far as nutrition, here.

Insect Nutritional Table

Good Luck

07-16-2009, 06:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
Beuford Family Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,041	Insects/bugs vs Beef for herbivores Hi, a lot of people I've seen now are saying we are much closer to herbivores than most people realise. Now I don't want this to become a discussion about human, herbivore and omnivore anatomy so try to keep the controversy minimum. Though I agree humans should be at least mostly herbivorous. The thing I want to know is, what would be the difference between eating 100 grams of mixed insects compared to eating 100 grams of beef? or other red meats, or even chicken and other birds. I have no doubt the insects would be much healthier(unless poison) and I believe humans naturally ate insects and only animals when there wasn't enough plants available to live off. The other thing is, with our long intestines and alkaline saliva and not so acidic stomach and all that we have that herbivores have, would eating insects be effected by this? or would they pass through like plants, especially if we only ate small amounts at a time? Maybe insects are a good source of B12? So you could be a natural herbivore appart from insects, and be fully sustained on all vitamins that you need without supplements.

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07-16-2009, 01:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lisa McGregor Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 310	I wonder how many insects grazing animals like cows land up eating?

07-16-2009, 04:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
KazeCraven Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 282	Probably a great deal. Have you ever tried to eat organic kale without washing it? Mine was absolutely full of bugs. I still have an aversion to eating insects, but I'm sure I can get over it as I did with swallowing raw eggs. We just need a guinea pig to test...

07-16-2009, 08:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
KazeCraven Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 282	Really? No bugs? I need to get some from your store. I had to stop buying. And I completely forgot that most cows these days aren't out grazing as they should be, but if they were, then they'd probably be catching plenty of bugs.

07-17-2009, 06:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
Beuford Family Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,041	I'm just wondering if anyone knows how healthy bugs and insects are compared to beef, and if they'd cause the same problems meat does or to a much lesser extent.

07-17-2009, 07:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
Beuford Family Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,041	Heart problems mostly, and the long list of them. I just want to know how different our system would treat bugs and insects than it would treat beef or chicken. Whether they are the same or different.

07-17-2009, 07:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
scorpio1980 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NC-USA Posts: 660	I highly doubt meat causes health problems, in fact i'm healthier for it. Bad nutrition along with other bad lifestyle choices cause health problems, and dis-ease. I believe insulin to be the culprit behind most every dis-ease. Trans fat, refined carbs, excess sugar in any form, artificial man made additives, antibiotics, hormones, and the like cause problems. A diet of whole, natural foods does not lead to disease. I believe insects to be highly nutritious. A diet of fresh meats, fish, eggs, fruits, veggies, nuts & seeds, along with proper exercise, rest, and happiness lead to health.

07-17-2009, 08:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
Beuford Family Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,041	I don't want to argue that meat is healthy or unhealthy, I just want to know if insects are meat like beef or chicken is meat, and if a herbivorous digestive system is negatively effected by instects like it would be from chicken or beef.

07-17-2009, 09:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
Excellent Lodestar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 630	for what it's worth, Paleo man did eat Insects, grubs, etc... As far as nutrition, here. Insect Nutritional Table Good Luck

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