Starting to Believe Diet is not the Answer

[Michelle]

even if for some reason your primary objective is feeling good about yourself,
then creating permanent fat loss would become your secondary objective and
the rest of the steps would still be effective at producing a lean, healthy body, you would simply never accomplish the primary goal of feeling good about yourself, and would probably gain the weight back since it did not make you happy, because this type of thing is not what could make us happy in the long run this is the major problem with this approach: trying to feel good about oneself is not a result that can be achieved in real life by everyone, not in the long term at least, it is something that is not objective and is completely basedon your personal opinion. No matter what you do, or what you accomplish in life, you might never feel good about yourself.

Hey Alex,

So, you would agree that we should not look to weight loss and outer physical circumstances for our joy in life? This is exactly what I am saying. However, I wouldn't say that

trying to feel good about oneself is not a result that can be achieved in real life by everyone

. We might as well all kill ourselves then. Why bother even staying alive? Joy is our birthright. We are all made of the same stuff by the same creator, come from the same place and while we are not all the same on this planet (we all have different goals, objectives, things we wish to learn) we all have the same power to change our lives and circumstances. We are meant to experience and live in love and joy. Anything less isn't worth living or striving for.

Some people are 150 pounds over weight and feel good about themselves, and some have a body that is perfect and feel miserable

This is why working from the inside out is so important.

Because if you approach your life from the viewpoint of trying to find a way to feel good, you will never reach this end result, and will never be able to sustain it

I really like what Abraham Hicks says about this: "You can never get it done". We are perpetually evolving expanding creations. Trying to get it done will kill you. There is no "done".

our feelings are in a way separate from our *life spirit* which can be looked at as our real self, and these feelings are not under our control, they just simply come and go, one day you feel good and do not know why (maybe even while the world is falling apart around you) and another day you feel really bad (even though everything in your life is just perfectly ideal)

This is how is it for people who have not taken the time to do the inner work. People who work from the inside out know 1. feelings are the compass we can use which points us toward or away from joy and they teach us about how we respond to the world. they show us where we need to work and where we are already free. 2. we DO have so much control over how we feel, what we think and how we react.

the fact is that you might feel bad about yourself almost every day of your
life, and will never know why, so it makes no sense to waste even a minute
going down a road where you do not have the slightest of finding this magic
key that simply does not exist

The reason anyone ever feels bad is because they are disconnected from Source Energy (God, the Universe, whatever) and thereby disconnected from themselves. It really is as simply as that. Getting back to that point is our work. I would venture to bet there are no diseased, fat, miserable people who are fully connected and in tune with their inner being.

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Dimond

No one should ever be on a diet. Instead make a permanent lifestyle change of healthier habits. My raw diet, natural healing, etc. is a lifestyle for me that I enjoy. Before when I tried various healthy habits, I kept changing it around and it was okay. But now it's fun and a part of who I am. So just figure out which habits you want to improve upon or change and gradually incorporate it into your life. As with anything in life there are always many factors working together that affect your health-work, relationships, spirituality, stress, etc. It's not always possible to focus on everything at once, so just take 1-2 areas at a time. Many people, like Steve, have found the raw diet to positively improve every other area of life. Sometimes all it takes it that one thing that you change that works. If not, then you try something else. Always listen to your intuition and pay attention to how you feel physically to get clues.

Really good advice!

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by alexplatups

This is really great advice Dimond!

The conflict that is in our mind is something people want to get control off,
and waste a lot of time in their life attempting to do this, when in reality it
is not under our control, it somehow has a life of its own, and if people stop
trying to control it, maybe they could then start to become aware of the
inner intuition that you mention and this could help them better focus on
the current circumstances in their lives

You mean live in the NOW. Sure! Excellent advice, too. But while I think you are right about trying to control the ego (impossible), letting it run rampant isn't the answer either. Eckhart Tolle mentions observing it and just being aware as the ultimate ego taming mechanism. I find this to be true.

[Michelle]

Just want to throw this on the pile:

YouTube - ABRAHAM ON NATURAL WEIGHT LOSS - ESTHER & JERRY HICKS

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Dharma

That's a breath of fresh air. Love your clarity, Michelle!

My body will change with exercise or mood. At times in my life where I am exploring new territory/adventures and feeling really excited to be alive, I drop weight without changes in diet or exercise. (((ease)))) The reverse happens when I feel an emotional withholding.

Hey Dharma, Long time, no read :-).

[Cristal Lilly]

Originally Posted by Angela

I'm with our girl here. Start with the insides. Feel good on purpose.

I just want to voice that I'm with these two(and other posters of like mind) and what they're saying.
without inner love, you're only going to abuse yourself into something and hate yourself for abusing yourself and on and on into complexities of self loathing and s&m attitude towards yourself.
even if you abuse yourself into healthy, whatever healthy of today may be.
even if you can abuse yourself into looking like you want to forever, it will never be the whole package, the way you imagined looking like that will make you feel, cause you abused yourself into it and there is no glowing sparkling feeling of love for yourself and life, and vitality that you imagined.
no. there's only the abuser and the abuse victim in one person, but hey, atleast they have being skinny to show for this lifetime of hatred.

Michelle, thank you

[Gojippo]

Very good post, Michelle. I can really resonate with what you are saying.

Like you, I tried every other way to get healthy, but to no result. The problem was inside me.

So, what would you recommend to do to feel good from the inside ? I always thought working on the outside would reflect to the inside, but it seems like the other way around is way stronger.

Also, do you mind if I translate your post and post it on my japanese blog ?

[alexplatups]

Michelle,

I just wanted to say that I do not try to live by advice or concepts that other
people have made up, and have nothing real with which to back up their
concepts. This especially includes anything to do with the law of attraction.

When you or anyone else talks about anything that has to do with the things
that are in the area of the unknown and mysterious, this is an attempt to
fall into an illusion that you know something that you actually do not know

this is a form of lying to yourself, and being dishonest with yourself will never
result in reaching maturity and becoming a responsible adult that can focus
on what you truly want in life, and at the same time focus on the current
circumstances in relation to what you truly want in life. These two actions
are what create the path toward bringing into reality the major goals that
you desire, and also allow you to learn and adjust your actions while you are
walking toward your major goals.

From the things that you post, you seem to be lost in some kind of illusionary
world that you have manufactured from the beliefs and concepts of different
con-artists that try to convince the masses that there is an easy and simple
way to live our lives and that somehow we deserve love and joy 24/7

We might as well all kill ourselves then. Why bother even staying alive? Joy is our birthright. We are all made of the same stuff by the same creator, come from the same place and while we are not all the same on this planet (we all have different goals, objectives, things we wish to learn) we all have the same power to change our lives and circumstances. We are meant to experience and live in love and joy. Anything less isn't worth living or striving for.

For example from this part of your post the only thing that might be true is
that we all have different goals, objectives, and things we wish to learn.

The rest is obviously all part of a concept that is not based on reality at all!
This sounds like something you *bought* from a self-proclaimed guru or
something, and is a conviction built on quicksand. How do you know that
joy is our birthright? How do you know that we are all made of the same stuff
and by the same creator? How do you know we all have the same power
to change our lives and circumstances? How do you know we are meant to
experience and live in love and joy? And how do you know that anything less
isn't worth striving for?

if you answer these honestly and objectively, you will see that these are
concepts you have picked up somewhere and that there is nothing to back
them up. The answer to all of these questions is that you simply do not
know and can't know. Maybe you can have an *opinion* but an opinion is
nothing if it can't be objectively proven. You can have an opinion that you
are a kangaroo, but that will not make you a kangaroo. Same with all other
opinions that are *not* based on reality that you have *objectively*
observed, assesed and tracked in your life.

In the end you end up in a life where you are moving toward something that
is a mirage, and everytime you seem to get closer to it, it just disappears,
and all you are left with is a feeling that maybe you somehow should have
worked on your inner-self a little more or in a different way

when in reality, you are caught in a situation where you are being pulled in
different directions in your mind, from one side to the other, because your
mind knows reality and as you try to manipulate it with all these useless
concepts and beliefs that are based on myths, it will never co-operate
with you, because most of us have this thing called *sanity,* and when you
lose it, you can end up in an institution for people that have lost this part of
their ability to actually perceive what is there, and for some reason see
something that is not there, and have to be given medecine so that they
can somehow live until the last day of their life

and this is why it is to your advantage to depend on your own perception of
your own current reality instead of relying on people that try to convince you
that they have found the *golden key* that will open the door to happiness,
joy and complete victory! And now you can also have this *key* and use it
to walk through a similar door.

Well, there is no key, and there is no door, there is only *you* and *your
current circumstances* and *an opportunity to take action* toward
something that matters and is important to *you*.

This is reality, everything else is a concept or an ineffective belief that will
have you taking one step forward, and then two steps back, over and over,
and over, for as long as you cling on to them!

(since English is not my main language, hopefully everything I write is clear,
if not just tell me and I will try to explain in a different way)

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Michelle

For years I've struggled with about 30 extra pounds.
I've tried almost everything with varying success. "Definitive" research on any given subject most often points in every direction known to man and adds nothing but more confusion to the pot.

The conclusion I've started coming to is:
Feeling good, joyful, loved and loving, relaxed, fulfilled, and free is really important in life and THOSE feelings are the building blocks of health.

Every real and lasting improvement has first taken place on the inside. You don't realize just how exhausting holding a grudge can be and how dead you can feel, if you don't allow yourself to be "nourished" by real love.

Everything done lovingly, succeeds. That's why I think the best "work out" you can give yourself is an internal one. Figuring out what your weight and health problems are ACTUALLY about (for this Louise Hay's You Can Heal Your Life is great!) along with FORGIVE and LOVE.

Hi Michelle,
I congratulate you! for realizing 2 very important Healing & Happiness matters = FORGIVE and LOVE Here Hear...

Now you can 'play, yes enjoy passionately...' with other Nutritious foods, & Fun-exercise...
(not because you should, ought or must); but simply because -as you often see very small children live...
now you enjoy a wholehearted LOVE affair with LIFE... know what I mean?

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Angela

It makes a lot more sense to me practice feeling good NOW and keep getting better and better at it! In my experience, the more you feel good, the better you feel. It's an upward spiral.

Maybe it would be a good idea to learn new ways of feeling good -- ones that work better -- if one is looking for different results.

I love your quote: "Everything done lovingly succeeds." And sometimes treating yourself lovingly entails breaking through a certain amount of discomfort, but even discomfort can be a form of feeling good, amazingly enough -- if it's done lovingly.

Love is thought, and love is action, and love feels good.

Well said!

[Orecle]

Brian tracy says the worst DAY in a persons life is when they sit down and begin to ponder to themselves "How can i get something for nothing"

Why is it that people use personal development to tolerate mediocrity in their lives?

If you are overweight, diet and exercise is the only way to get it off. anything else is delusion.

I dont care how good you feel about yourself, if you are overweight and cant consistently discipline what you put in your mouth and speed up your metabolism with exercise. BE PREPARED TO STAY FAT AND GET FATTER AS YOU AGE. NO BULLSHIT STUDY CAN PROVE OTHERWISE.

twin A , Twin B
both 30lbs overweight.

twin A feels like crap, but cuts out junk, eats lean meat and only natural foods - oats, veg, brown rice, green tea and does weights and cardio 6 days a week

twin b feels good about herself but does not diet consistently and does cardio when she feels like it, which is usually once a fortnight.

who will lose the weight faster? and probably permanently if cardio is kept up even 2ce a wk?

TWIN A.
She will look far better than her sis. Twin B can now look and see wat could have been if she disciplined herself

Fat loss is predictable. a cause and effect issue. it doesnt require passion or feeling good. it only requires self discipline and consistency.

Twin A can also have the pleasure that she has done what too many people aint got the courage to follow through on.

Joy is not the birth right of people that dont do things that will bring them joy, just as fitness is not the right of those that wont exercise, or health of those that abuse their body with crap foods and drinks.

EVERY ONE IS FREE TO DO AS THEY LIKE, BUT THEY ARE NOT FREE OF THE CONSEQUENCES. I can surprise assualt anyone, but i am not free of their reaction to me

i suggest michelle reads steves article on discipline vs passion

we live in a cause and effect world which does not require conscious consent.

there are some delusional untruths being thrown about in this thread.

pls show me the study that says calore in vs calorie out does not work?

why cant people just admit that they are to lazy to DIET UNTIL THEY GET THE RESULT THEY WANT.

WHAT HAPPENED TO DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES.

Most people know what to do but dont follow through long enough and consistently enough. end of story

But telling yourself everything in life is suppose to feel good is a one way ticket to not accomplishing much in life. what do you think challenge is. do you think world class athletes feel totally good with what they do. Do you think they like being consistently injured. Do you think they enjoy spending so much time practising wen everyone else is resting?

the people that are the best in the world, worked super hard when everybody else quits. they go on inspite of the pain

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Orecle

Why is it that people use personal development to tolerate mediocrity in their lives?

If you are overweight, diet and exercise is the only way to get it off. anything else is delusion.

Joy is not the birth right of people that dont do things that will bring them joy,
just as fitness is not the right of those that wont exercise, or
health of those that abuse their body with crap foods and drinks. end of story

But telling yourself everything in life is suppose to feel good
is a one way ticket to not accomplishing much in life. what do you think challenge is.
doyou think world class athletes feel totally good with what they do.
Do you think they like being consistently injured.
Do you think they enjoy spending so much time practising wen everyone else is resting?

the people that are the best in the world, worked super hard when everybody else quits. they go on inspite of the pain

This thread was started by the OP, in particular a "world class athlete"? - Where did you read that??
and
further, how do you explain the fact that -
1. Individuals in a coma, hooked-up to hi-fat Ensure; and yet with no exercise, yet are slender...
&
2. Individuals living the time of their lives, passionate about everything they do, including Eating & Exercise, and yes maintaining their weight how they want it, in ease & quickly.

Evidently more is going on than currently you are aware of?

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Gojippo

So, what would you recommend to do to feel good from the inside ? I always thought working on the outside would reflect to the inside, but it seems like the other way around is way stronger.

Also, do you mind if I translate your post and post it on my japanese blog ?

There are lots of things you can do. For me meditating was/is a very important part. My favorites include Doreen Virtue's "Angel Medicine" and "Past Life Regression" (among others) and Louise Hay's "Anger Releasing". I also did a 10 day Vipassana retreat which was extremely beneficial so I'll be going again later this year. In addition to daily meditation, I invest in weekly psychotherapy sessions (for the last 5 year). In the beginning of my work I read a lot of books about development and spirituality, but that has slowed over the past couple years. I think the most important thing is to practice following your own intuition. It won't lead you wrong.

You can put the post on your blog. Just please link back to this post. Thanx.

[Orecle]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

This thread was started by the OP, in particular a "world class athlete"? - Where did you read that??
and
further, how do you explain the fact that -
1. Individuals in a coma, hooked-up to hi-fat Ensure; and yet with no exercise, yet are slender...
&
2. Individuals living the time of their lives, passionate about everything they do, including Eating & Exercise, and yes maintaining their weight how they want it, in ease & quickly.

Evidently more is going on than currently you are aware of?

I havent got a clue what you are on about. where did i say the OP is a world class athlete? what, you have never used examples of successful individuals in your debates before, no?

the weakest form of argument, is to argue from extremes. how many of the millions of obese humans are hooked up to hi fat ensure? how many of the millions of obese people are in a coma? tell me can these COMATOSE individuals control their own diet? NO. That was a weak argument. Do you think a comatosed individual takes in as much calories as they do normally? do the comatosed eat fried food, soda, sugar, white flour baked goods through their drip? No i didnt think so?

and how many individuals come to this forum having the time of their lives, passionate about their lives, careers, relationships and are very much overweight? unlike financial success, relationship and the like where you can accumalate money or moments which can carry you through lean times, what you did 4 mths ago dont count for zilch.

if you are a millionaire and stopped working for a 2 mths, providing you dont have a large mortgage, you probably wont feel a hit. besides no mortgage will dent a million in 2 mths. if you are in a 5 yr relationship, and had a bad 2mths after a blissful 4 yr 10 mths, you will probably be fine. but if you are dont watch what you eat and exercise, you can put on 30lbs in a couple of mths, easily.

By the way, you still have not refuted anything i said

joy is not a requirement for fat loss and weight maintenance. self discipline is.
exercise and controllled diet is. it is definately a great aid. plus remember people are more motivated by pain than by pleasure. action is the only requirement for fat loss and just about anything you want. the emotional component helps or hinders greatly. but that is a choice.

Evidently more is going on than currently you are aware of?

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by alexplatups

I just wanted to say that I do not try to live by advice or concepts that other
people have made up, and have nothing real with which to back up their
concepts. This especially includes anything to do with the law of attraction.

The realest thing anyone needs is proof through their own experience. Obviously counting calories and working out have provided very satisfying results to you. Otherwise why would you continue, right? My own experience is different but no less valid.

You know, for a long time psychology was considered woo-woo and a soft science. Today neurologists are able to prove and show exactly what changes take place to the brain over the period of a therapy and that therapy can indeed be extremely effective. Does this mean psychology is now more effective than before the neurologists decided to map patients' progress?

Quantum physicists are now able to actually prove that we (humans) and everything else are all made of the same kind of vibrating energy matter. We are all indeed made of the same stuff and this has already been proven.

When you or anyone else talks about anything that has to do with the things
that are in the area of the unknown and mysterious, this is an attempt to
fall into an illusion that you know something that you actually do not know
this is a form of lying to yourself, and being dishonest with yourself will never
result in reaching maturity and becoming a responsible adult that can focus
on what you truly want in life, and at the same time focus on the current
circumstances in relation to what you truly want in life. These two actions
are what create the path toward bringing into reality the major goals that
you desire, and also allow you to learn and adjust your actions while you are
walking toward your major goals.

Again, I have to assert that the best way of "knowing" anything beyond a simple book fact is through personal experimentation, trial and experience. Being honest with yourself means acknowledging all feelings, desires, questions, thoughts one may have as opposed to just those few which are either socially acceptable and/or written about in Popular Science magazine.

From the things that you post, you seem to be lost in some kind of illusionary
world that you have manufactured from the beliefs and concepts of different
con-artists that try to convince the masses that there is an easy and simple
way to live our lives and that somehow we deserve love and joy 24/7

But I actually DO live in ease and joy. I'm not perfect, but my life has only gotten easier and more joyful each and everyday since I started on my path. Granted, the first years were a bitch because the pile of inner crap beliefs seemed endless. But there were signs of improvement (small at first) and lately (after about 5 years) much bigger and the pile and I are definitely much lighter!

For example from this part of your post the only thing that might be true is
that we all have different goals, objectives, and things we wish to learn.

Just out of curiousity, what is it you believe you have come to this planet to learn? There is no right answer of course, I really am just curious.

How do you know that joy is our birthright?

I know this because a. I feel it. and b. I remember being in the ether before coming to this planet and being told I could come to earth and how joyful I was at that prospect. I know we all come here for joy. How we choose to experience that joy is up to us because we are the creators of our reality.

How do you know that we are all made of the same stuff and by the same creator?

How do you know a piece of apple pie really comes from an apple pie? (That is Wayne Dyer, not me). Look, what I wrote above about quantum physicists being able to prove we are made of the same stuff is true. They are. Read about it if it interests you. It doesn't interest me. People who meditate deeply are able to experience something called "complete dissoluton of the body". This is where they get to experience first hand what we are made of. Their spiritual experiences were mirrored by the scientist's experiments. The only difference is that the meditators benefitied from profound inner knowing and the scientists receive no personal benefit apart from gaining practical knowledge of how the world works.

How do you know we all have the same power to change our lives and circumstances?

Because I know how powerful I am, and that means you are powerful, too.

And how do you know that anything less isn't worth striving for?

Are you really asking this question? Perhaps striving isn't the best word though. We don't have to strive for what we already have and are - we just have to be and allow the Universe (God, etc) deliver it to us.

when in reality, you are caught in a situation where you are being pulled in different directions in your mind, from one side to the other, because your mind knows reality and as you try to manipulate it with all these useless concepts and beliefs that are based on myths, it will never co-operate
with you, because most of us have this thing called *sanity,*

Your mind doesn't want you to look at it. Your mind wants you to be afraid of it and to believe you can never be free of it. It wants you confused, angry, fearful, worried, insulted, lost, helpless toward it ... It wants complete and utter control. It will seem to pull you in seemingly unrelated directions (for example during meditaton) which you can allow to derail you or you can conversely use to your benefit in order to realize how things often have more to do with each other than at first glance.

That is the nature of the ego. Fully and completely insane. But it shouldn't be allowed to run your life insanely.

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

Hi Michelle,
I congratulate you! for realizing 2 very important Healing & Happiness matters = FORGIVE and LOVE Here Hear...

Now you can 'play, yes enjoy passionately...' with other Nutritious foods, & Fun-exercise...
(not because you should, ought or must); but simply because -as you often see very small children live...
now you enjoy a wholehearted LOVE affair with LIFE... know what I mean?

I so know what you mean :-). Thank you!

[Angela]

Michelle, last year I did that 6 week extreme makeover thing, and now I'm using one of the most important things I learned during that experience for myself and also for people I coach.

When I felt bad -- specifically, when I thought it was a *problem* or cause for upset that, say, the weight hadn't budged, or gone up a pound, or wasn't moving as quickly as it had the prior week -- it was much more difficult to reverse that *problem.* Fortunately, I had Danger Man there to remind me when I would get all *problemed* out and forgot it was a game, and that it's fun to play games!

And sure enough, as soon as I got back to fun and feeling good, the food and water would taste better, exercise would feel more empowering and enjoyable, I'd have more clean energy throughout the day, and the weight would start dropping off again. It seemed that when I was stressed out, my body would hold on to the weight to pad itself against the onslaught of my negative thoughts!

That has been true for the people I've been coaching, too -- it's so easy to forget that you're playing the Vitality and Power game, and get caught up in thoughts about your *weight problem.* And the difference when we change our thoughts is so much fun to see and experience!

You know what Deepak Chopra said about that: "Every cell in your body is eavesdropping on your thoughts."

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Orecle

Brian tracy says the worst DAY in a persons life is when they sit down and begin to ponder to themselves "How can i get something for nothing"

The Universe gives me great stuff all the time and I don't have to do anything for it except exist. Like last Friday I got the gift of a phone call to come sing on short notice Saturday. I did it and got so much joy out of the experience. The Universe love me :-), you see?

Why is it that people use personal development to tolerate mediocrity in their lives?

My life is anything but mediocre. Of this I can assure you. But thanks for your concern.

If you are overweight, diet and exercise is the only way to get it off. anything else is delusion.

No, things just aren't as black and white as some people might like to believe. There are indeed some gray areas some of which I have explained in earlier posts.

I dont care how good you feel about yourself, if you are overweight and cant consistently discipline what you put in your mouth and speed up your metabolism with exercise. BE PREPARED TO STAY FAT AND GET FATTER AS YOU AGE. NO BULLSHIT STUDY CAN PROVE OTHERWISE.

You sound like a scary man. Really.

A discipline is instruction given to a disciple (or student) of something (from Wikipedia).

For example, here are instruction given to Jesus' disciples:

"not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds, so that you may discern what is the will of God—what is good and acceptable and perfect." (Romans 12:2)

twin A , Twin B
both 30lbs overweight.

twin A feels like crap, but cuts out junk, eats lean meat and only natural foods - oats, veg, brown rice, green tea and does weights and cardio 6 days a week

twin b feels good about herself but does not diet consistently and does cardio when she feels like it, which is usually once a fortnight.

who will lose the weight faster? and probably permanently if cardio is kept up even 2ce a wk?

It is very possible that the short term result would indeed favor Twin A. But they show nothing concerning actual quality of life, health, vigor, and sustainability. Most of us have gone this far at least for a little while. It isn't hard to lose a few pounds for a few days or weeks.

TWIN A.
She will look far better than her sis. Twin B can now look and see wat could have been if she disciplined herself

Again, this is only an outward assessment. If outward results were enough to satisfy then 95% of dieters would succeed rather than fail.

Fat loss is predictable. a cause and effect issue. it doesnt require passion or feeling good. it only requires self discipline and consistency.

Ah. Is that all? :-)

Joy is not the birth right of people that dont do things that will bring them joy, just as fitness is not the right of those that wont exercise, or health of those that abuse their body with crap foods and drinks.

I would rather say: Joy is not the birthright of people who stand in their own way of joy entering their lives.

EVERY ONE IS FREE TO DO AS THEY LIKE, BUT THEY ARE NOT FREE OF THE CONSEQUENCES.

A profound truth o wise one.

pls show me the study that says calore in vs calorie out does not work?

1.Harvard University: 2003
Greene et al. studied participants consuming one of three diet regimens over 12 weeks: a low-fat diet, a low-carbohydrate diet with the same number of calories, and a low-carbohydrate diet with 300 extra calories per day.[37] The researchers found that the low fat fat group lost 17 pounds on average, the low carbohydrate group eating the same number of calories lost 23 pounds, and the low-carbohydrate group eating more calories lost 20 pounds. In commenting on their results Greene stated

There does indeed seem to be something about a low-carb diet that says you can eat more calories and lose a similar amount of weight ...[

2.Nutrition Journal: 2004
Feinman and Fine, 2004 present an argument refuting the "calorie is a calorie" principle cited by some as an argument against the weight-loss benefits of low-carbohydrate diets.[41] The "calorie is a calorie" argument, loosely speaking, states that the laws of thermodynamics imply that calories ingested from any source are burned at the same rate in the body (meaning that, for the purposes of weight loss, all sources of calories are the same).

The paper refutes this (the argument is omitted here) stating the following in the conclusion.

Thus, ironically the dictum that a "calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics, as a matter of principle.
The authors' point is that while some have argued that there is no point in comparing the effectiveness of diets based on the sources of calories (proteins, fats, or carbohydrates), the arguments in favor of this viewpoint are not supported by science. This paper is not directly based on any clinical studies but rather is a discussion of basic scientific theory related to this subject.

why cant people just admit that they are to lazy to DIET UNTIL THEY GET THE RESULT THEY WANT. WHAT HAPPENED TO DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES.

Because "whatever it takes" is no way to live unless whatever = love.

But telling yourself everything in life is suppose to feel good is a one way ticket to not accomplishing much in life.

Keep telling yourself that.

what do you think challenge is. do you think world class athletes feel totally good with what they do.

I'm not a world class athlete, but I am a world class singer so I feel in a position to speak with authority concerning what it means to be world class. At the world class level love and joy are what matters, simply doing the thing you love brings a feeling which is beyond description. It is a gift to get up in the morning and have somewhere to go to sing a song. A day on which a world class athlete or musician plays feels like the best day there ever was and ever will be. That does indeed make everything else, no matter how uncomfortable, seem like minor discomfort. If losing weight felt like that everyone would do it :-).

Do you think they like being consistently injured. Do you think they enjoy spending so much time practising when everyone else is resting?

I think Federer likes it :-). And most world class musicians I know practice far less than their struggling, unhappy counterparts.

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Angela

Michelle, last year I did that 6 week extreme makeover thing, and now I'm using one of the most important things I learned during that experience for myself and also for people I coach.

When I felt bad -- specifically, when I thought it was a *problem* or cause for upset that, say, the weight hadn't budged, or gone up a pound, or wasn't moving as quickly as it had the prior week -- it was much more difficult to reverse that *problem.* Fortunately, I had Danger Man there to remind me when I would get all *problemed* out and forgot it was a game, and that it's fun to play games!

And sure enough, as soon as I got back to fun and feeling good, the food and water would taste better, exercise would feel more empowering and enjoyable, I'd have more clean energy throughout the day, and the weight would start dropping off again. It seemed that when I was stressed out, my body would hold on to the weight to pad itself against the onslaught of my negative thoughts!

That has been true for the people I've been coaching, too -- it's so easy to forget that you're playing the Vitality and Power game, and get caught up in thoughts about your *weight problem.* And the difference when we change our thoughts is so much fun to see and experience!

You know what Deepak Chopra said about that: "Every cell in your body is eavesdropping on your thoughts."

What makeover thingy is that? The Swiss don't do a lot of makeovers :-).

I think you are so right about the fun factor. We can't help but be successful while having fun. I think fun attracts success right to our doorsteps. At least this is my experience in singing. Music I have fun performing is always better than choosing music I think someone wants to hear and I feel obligated to perform.

[Michelle]

Totally off topic: I just want to say I have no idea how you people manage to post so much (Angela!). Simply caring for this one thread has me used a few hours! It could be a full time job.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Michelle

What makeover thingy is that? The Swiss don't do a lot of makeovers :-).

Mayday Extreme Makeover.

I know that the "Calories In/Calories Out DAMMIT!" people are trying to help. And that simple formula is great, but it doesn't take into account that when you're feeling good, it's easy and effortless to make good choices of calories in, and it's wayyyyy more easy and effortless to burn calories.

A good-feeling person will tend to move her body more, to enjoy interacting with the world in a physical way, to have consistent clean energy throughout the day and sleep well at night (very important for weight loss and vitality!), to maintain boundaries and commitments, and to grant herself and others freedom to take their own next right actions -- upward spiral.

A person who is feeling bad will tend to have a harder time just moving around, let alone motivating himself to work out; he'll tend to make food choices that soothe the negative emotions rather than nourish his body, to sleep fitfully and wake up tired, to be more vulnerable to being at the effect of external circumstance, and to project his negativity onto others -- downward spiral.

Michelle, I type very fast, and feeling good is my focus, so I'm happy to post here!

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Angela

A good-feeling person will tend to move her body more, to enjoy interacting with the world in a physical way, to have consistent clean energy throughout the day and sleep well at night (very important for weight loss and vitality!), to maintain boundaries and commitments, and to grant herself and others freedom to take their own next right actions -- upward spiral.

A person who is feeling bad will tend to have a harder time just moving around, let alone motivating himself to work out; he'll tend to make food choices that soothe the negative emotions rather than nourish his body, to sleep fitfully and wake up tired, to be more vulnerable to being at the effect of external circumstance, and to project his negativity onto others -- downward spiral.

Oh, I see. So the male is the lazy one in your example.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

Oh, I see. So the male is the lazy one in your example.

Hee hee, yeah, sorry about that!

Do what you will with my unconscious projections.

(You are projecting, too, did you notice? I never used the word "lazy" and in fact I didn't have laziness in mind. )

[alexplatups]

Just out of curiousity, what is it you believe you have come to this planet to learn? There is no right answer of course, I really am just curious.

In my opinion I am here to learn whatever will help me move in the direction
of those things that are important and that truly matter to me.

These are my primary objectives in my life: (in order of importance)

1) creating and running profitable businesses and ventures

2) creating and maintaining a lean, healthy body

3) creating and maintaining a genuinely loving, caring, supportive
and harmonius relationship with my wife

that's about it, everything else is secondary in my life, and does not really
matter, except of course, my three dogs (I do love them a lot)

[Angela]

And Michelle, what did YOU come to this planet to learn?

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Angela

And Michelle, what did YOU come to this planet to learn?

Greater levels of joy and love plus a generous portion of fun (since I tend to be on the serious side). I want to get to the point where I can completely surrender myself to God/Source/Universe.

You?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Michelle

You?

I'm here to be a Joy Activist.

What about you, Orecle?

[Orecle]

Originally Posted by Angela

I'm here to be a Joy Activist.

What about you, Orecle?

To help as many people as I can, be completely world class in what ever they lay their hands on. Peak performance coach. But I have to get to a world class level myself, before I can take others there

[Orecle]

Originally Posted by Michelle

The Universe gives me great stuff all the time and I don't have to do anything for it except exist. Like last Friday I got the gift of a phone call to come sing on short notice Saturday. I did it and got so much joy out of the experience. The Universe love me :-), you see?

fabulous

Originally Posted by Michelle

My life is anything but mediocre. Of this I can assure you. But thanks for your concern.

i did not say youre life was medicre, but if you are 30lb overweight then your body is

Originally Posted by Michelle

No, things just aren't as black and white as some people might like to believe. There are indeed some gray areas some of which I have explained in earlier posts.

Yes, it is this black and white. and works for people who consistently try it.fat loss equals rasing metabolism through cardio and calorie manipulation and macronutrient manipulation. the end

Originally Posted by Michelle

You sound like a scary man. Really.

A discipline is instruction given to a disciple (or student) of something (from Wikipedia).

For example, here are instruction given to Jesus' disciples:

"not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds, so that you may discern what is the will of God—what is good and acceptable and perfect." (Romans 12:2)

thanks for the bible quotes. doesnt take away from the power of discipline. maybe you should look up self discipline. the ability to give instruction to yourself

Originally Posted by Michelle

It is very possible that the short term result would indeed favor Twin A. But they show nothing concerning actual quality of life, health, vigor, and sustainability. Most of us have gone this far at least for a little while. It isn't hard to lose a few pounds for a few days or weeks.

Twin A will feel much more physically better with a loss of 30lbs, pride from a goal reached and health, vigor, and sustainability from all the good food and exercise she has been doing.

You hit the nail on the head in your second to last sentence. yes most people have gone through it FOR A LITTLE WHILE. most people can jog FOR A LITTLE WHILE. most people can save for A LITTLE WHILE.

ITS THE LONG WHILE THAT COUNTS. ITS THE LONG WHILE THAT GIVES THE PRIZE. ITS THE LONG WHILE THAT SEPERATES THE MEDIOCRE, FROM THE AVERAGE FROM THE EXCELLENT FROM THE WORLD CLASS.

You are right it isnt hard to lose a few pounds. but most dieters are not a few pounds overweight. 30lbs is not a little bit of weight. most dieters jump from diet to diet to lose that much and thn give up

Originally Posted by Michelle

Again, this is only an outward assessment. If outward results were enough to satisfy then 95% of dieters would succeed rather than fail.

nope, 95% dieters never reach their ideal look. millions of diet books are sold annually. do you think millions of americans are permanently losing weight annually. Is america getting thinner or fatter as the diet craze increases?

Originally Posted by Michelle

=Michelle;376150Ah. Is that all? :-)

Originally Posted by Michelle

I would rather say: Joy is not the birthright of people who stand in their own way of joy entering their lives.

what about people who stand in their way of fat loss, by refusing to diet and exercise out of laz....., sorry not feeling the joy of exercise and food

Originally Posted by Michelle

A profound truth o wise one.

i know

Originally Posted by Michelle

1.Harvard University: 2003
Greene et al. studied participants consuming one of three diet regimens over 12 weeks: a low-fat diet, a low-carbohydrate diet with the same number of calories, and a low-carbohydrate diet with 300 extra calories per day.[37] The researchers found that the low fat fat group lost 17 pounds on average, the low carbohydrate group eating the same number of calories lost 23 pounds, and the low-carbohydrate group eating more calories lost 20 pounds. In commenting on their results Greene stated

There does indeed seem to be something about a low-carb diet that says you can eat more calories and lose a similar amount of weight ...[

2.Nutrition Journal: 2004
Feinman and Fine, 2004 present an argument refuting the "calorie is a calorie" principle cited by some as an argument against the weight-loss benefits of low-carbohydrate diets.[41] The "calorie is a calorie" argument, loosely speaking, states that the laws of thermodynamics imply that calories ingested from any source are burned at the same rate in the body (meaning that, for the purposes of weight loss, all sources of calories are the same).

The paper refutes this (the argument is omitted here) stating the following in the conclusion.

Thus, ironically the dictum that a "calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics, as a matter of principle.
The authors' point is that while some have argued that there is no point in comparing the effectiveness of diets based on the sources of calories (proteins, fats, or carbohydrates), the arguments in favor of this viewpoint are not supported by science. This paper is not directly based on any clinical studies but rather is a discussion of basic scientific theory related to this subject.

does not tell me how many calories they burnt daily. doesnt tell me how controlled the experiment was

Originally Posted by Michelle

Because "whatever it takes" is no way to live unless whatever = love.

Keep telling yourself that.

Originally Posted by Michelle

I'm not a world class athlete, but I am a world class singer so I feel in a position to speak with authority concerning what it means to be world class. At the world class level love and joy are what matters, simply doing the thing you love brings a feeling which is beyond description. It is a gift to get up in the morning and have somewhere to go to sing a song. A day on which a world class athlete or musician plays feels like the best day there ever was and ever will be. That does indeed make everything else, no matter how uncomfortable, seem like minor discomfort. If losing weight felt like that everyone would do it :-).

Nope , you are not in the position to speak for world class athletes. a world class coin collector is not in the position to say what it takes to be a world class singer.

there are fat unhealthy singers and thin unhealthy singers. there are singers 80lb overweight and singers. athletes do not have that same luxury. world class athletes have to stay in ship besides sumos.

do you have a specially prepared diet for singing? will putting on another 30 lbs affect your singing?

no it would not

world class athletes have to critically watch diet and exercise if they are to have a hope in competition. you as a singer dont have to watch your diet, if you did you would not be 30lb overweight.

[Bradshaw]

Well, here's my experience.

I've lost 7kg(15 pounds) in about 3 months on my first "diet".

And to be honest it's the easiest thing in the world for me. But then again it feels so natural.

I stopped drinking sodas and whatnot because i felt better that way.
I stopped eating as much because it felt better that way.
I started exercising because exercising in the morning is a lot of fun. And guess what, i did it because it made me feel better!

So, i mean, you know? I'm not really making an effort or anything. It's just coming along.

Just a byproduct of me feeling good.

I agree with the OP.