How many ounces are in a quart?

[ginkgo]

Whenever I ask this question on forums, everyone gets it wrong. Maybe humans have flawed brains. This would be the proof. So if you think that you are smart then say your answer to yourself now.

On the show Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader, they asked the above and they said that the answer was 32 ounces in a quart. That was wrong! The show was wrong and none of the people making the show caught it. Now the answer is on every bottle of liquid that you drink. One time a bottle had it wrong.

So you have the answer right on a bottle. Now if I did not say all the above, people would be insisting on 32 ounces being in a quart, like on other forums and on that popular TV show. But 32 ounces is 2 pounds, not a quart. So can anyone figure out the answer when you are allowed to look on a bottle and see what the right answer is. Do you know how many pounds are in a mile? What would have been the correct question on that TV show?

[Daffy Duck]

So how many ounces are in a quart then? Everywhere I read says 32.

Is "how many pounds are in a mile" even a valid question?

[ginkgo]

That is correct. How many pounds in a mile is not a valid question. It is mixing distance and weight. How many ounces in a quart is an invalid question. It is mixing weight and volume. If 32 ounces were a quart then a quart would be 2 pounds. Ounces and pounds are weight. A bottle of liquid has units of volume which are fluid ounces and quarts. The valid question would be "how many fluid ounces are in a quart?" Fluid ounces go with quarts and ounces go with pounds.

There are 32 fluid ounces in a quart.

[Daffy Duck]

Have you considered that the word "fluid" is already implied when discussing liquids?

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

Have you considered that the word "fluid" is already implied when discussing liquids?

That is why I said that you could look at any bottle of liquid. In a store they have bottles of milk, soda, juice, water, tea etc and all are clearly liquids and all clearly say "fluid ounces" abbreviated as "fl oz". Is there any valid site that says that 32 ounces is a quart? No. Labels on bottles are regulated by the FDA. Weights and measures are exact things and there is no room for implying things.

If a doctor writes the wrong unit on a prescription and someone dies, he will not say that he implied something else. He is liable. The unit of measurement defines whether it is a liquid or not. For example have you seen agave? It is a thick as molasses which is a liquid. Apparently agave is not a liquid since it is measured in ounces and pounds. Is yogurt a solid or liquid. Just read the unit to see. Actually it does not matter if agave is a liquid or not but whether they are measuring it as weight or volume.

[Tripacer]

Lets first define the weight of the type liquid you are using. For instance, 100LL fuel weighs 6 pounds per gallon. So, this would mean a quart would weigh 1.5 lbs. Multiply this by an approximate 16 ounces per quart and you get 24 ounces. So, a quart of
100LL of fuel would weigh aproximately 24 ounces. If you are talking water, it would be approximately 32 ounces (Pure water weighs about 8 lbs / gallon).

[Daffy Duck]

Alright, so let me get this straight. The point of this whole topic is to demonstrate that when people say there is 32 ounces in a quart, they are technically wrong because they should be saying there are 32 FLUID ounces in a quart.

Or is there a greater purpose? You mentioned doctors filling out prescriptions. Yes, it's very important to be specific. But as a previous pharmacy tech, you might be surprised at just how sloppy some doctors are. Pharmacists catch and correct a lot of mistakes without the patient ever realizing.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by Tripacer

Lets first define the weight of the type liquid you are using. For instance, 100LL fuel weighs 6 pounds per gallon. So, this would mean a quart would weigh 1.5 lbs. Multiply this by an approximate 16 ounces per quart and you get 24 ounces. So, a quart of
100LL of fuel would weigh aproximately 24 ounces. If you are talking water, it would be approximately 32 ounces (Pure water weighs about 8 lbs / gallon).

There is no need to know the weight and volume unless trying to decide if molasses is cheaper than agave (see above). Originally they took an ounce of pure water and measured its volume. They then decided that it would be 1 fluid ounce. That is why 32 ounces of water takes up a volume of 1 quart.

I believe in the metric system that 1 cc of pure water weighs 1 gram at a certain temperature.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

Alright, so let me get this straight. The point of this whole topic is to demonstrate that when people say there is 32 ounces in a quart, they are technically wrong because they should be saying there are 32 FLUID ounces in a quart.

Or is there a greater purpose? You mentioned doctors filling out prescriptions. Yes, it's very important to be specific. But as a previous pharmacy tech, you might be surprised at just how sloppy some doctors are. Pharmacists catch and correct a lot of mistakes without the patient ever realizing.

This is why lawyers say "get it in writing." The FDA is a legal organization with the power to punish law breakers with fines and imprisonment. If 2 people argue over what one of them said, the only way to know what was said, would be if it were recorded.

So when Clinton and Obama said wrong things, they were made fun of. Note (disclaimer) I am not a lawyer so I am not allowed to give legal advice. Consult a lawyer. Note I am not a doctor so I am not allowed to give medical advice. Consult your doctor. Another saying of lawyers is "God is in the details."

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

So when Clinton and Obama said wrong things, they were made fun of.

Heh. Presidents do get made fun of a bit. Especially Bush.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

Heh. Presidents do get made fun of a bit. Especially Bush.

I was thinking of the Democratic primary with Senator Clinton who is now Secretary of State. She talked about how she got off a plane where she was risking her life with all the violence and everything around her was peaceful with children around. Her defense was that she misspoke.

[JenZ]

this thread is a waste. serves no purpose

[carenkh]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Weights and measures are exact things and there is no room for implying things.

There is in my world! Plenty of room! If someone asks me how many ounces in a quart, I'm going to assume they're talking fluid ounces, and I reckon most humans using this system would, too. I'm not a doctor or pharmacist; it's fine to assume that in my world. And for the doctor or pharmacist, it's fine for them to assume that in other parts of their lives, too. Or what: we might make a mistake? We might... {shudder} be wr...wr....wrong? Easily correctable if so.

Man, I like my world!!

[ginkgo]

Maybe most of the problems in the world are due to one missing piece that everyone is overlooking. Here is a word that is right there for everyone to see and they miss it. Then they make excuses for missing it.

Maybe it is a flaw in the human brain. People can screw up themselves badly with drugs or alcohol. Maybe society as a whole has done this to themselves. We already know that man is destroying the planet. Denial (the Nile) is not just a river in Egypt.

[Daffy Duck]

I think many of the problems in the world are due to people not doing what they really want to do. For example, most people I know "want" to eat healthy, but most people don't.

[Doku]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Maybe most of the problems in the world are due to one missing piece that everyone is overlooking. Here is a word that is right there for everyone to see and they miss it. Then they make excuses for missing it.

Maybe it is a flaw in the human brain. People can screw up themselves badly with drugs or alcohol. Maybe society as a whole has done this to themselves. We already know that man is destroying the planet. Denial (the Nile) is not just a river in Egypt.

Or maybe it's simply people making a mountain out of an invisible mole hill.

from **** <****@nist.gov>
to **** <****@gmail.com>
date Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM
subject RE: Simple question
mailed-by nist.gov

Either is correct.

-----Original Message-----
From: **** [mailto:****@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 11:02 AM
To: inquiries@nist.gov
Subject: Simple question

Hi,

I have a very bizarre question that has come from an argument. In
talking about liquids, and conversions, is it proper to say, "How
many ounces are there in a quart?" or must you say, "How many fluid
ounces are there in a quart?" In other words, when referring to a
volume of liquid, should we always use "fluid ounces" or is it just
as valid to simply say "ounces"?

--****

So, According to NIST, the branch of United States Government whose job it is to define standards of weights and measure, saying either "ounces" or "fluid ounces" is correct.

[ginkgo]

Actually I was not talking about what is proper to say. I was pointing out that people have no knowledge or recollection of ever having seen the word fluid ounces. In their head the bottle says just oounces. Even one poster said that everwhere she looked in writing it only said ounces. If I would not have mentioned it, no one would have even known what it says on bottles. To continue this, I will start a new thread with a new question.

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

I was pointing out that people have no knowledge or recollection of ever having seen the word fluid ounces.

How does this help with Health & Fitness?
How does this help with personal development?

Most people have no knowledge of the details of ants and how they build their colonies. Should we start talking about that too?

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

How does this help with Health & Fitness?
How does this help with personal development?

Most people have no knowledge of the details of ants and how they build their colonies. Should we start talking about that too?

All decisions about health, fitness and self-development are made with the mind. If the mind is flawed then the decisions about the above will be flawed. Fix the mind and it will fix everything else.

[Daffy Duck]

Do you feel that thinking "ounces" instead of "fluid ounces" when referring to a water bottle will inhibit personal growth?