This is a Great Article About Vaccinations

[ginkgo]

I put up a thread about the over-reaction to the influenza A (H1N1) flu (previously swine flu). Some people responded saying that it is better to be safe then sorry. The purpose of a drug company is not to help health. (That would be a humanitarian group). The purpose of a drug company is to sell drugs period (like Tamiflu). This article tells all about the vaccination con. Ron Paul 2012

It says: "From his book ‘Health and Healing’ Dr Andrew Weil best answers it with this statement:

'Scientific medicine has taken credit it does not deserve for some advances in health. Most people believe that victory over the infectious diseases of the last century came with the invention of immunisations. In fact, cholera, typhoid, diphtheria and whooping cough, etc, were in decline before vaccines for them became available – the result of better methods of sanitation, sewage disposal, and distribution of food and water.' "

[sepiagal]

The vaccine manufacturers are immune from law suits if you or your child is harmed from a vaccination.

There is something wrong with that kind of protection from litigation.

Governments don't want people to have any reason to question the effectiveness of vaccinations.

Its almost like goverments railroad people into thinking that they need to be vaccinated.

There is a bias against being able to criticize vaccinations.

To a certain extent I can understand how public health policy needs to make vaccinations mandatory becsause if there was an outbreak of something serious it might have devastating consquences.

But if vaccine manafucturers are free from consequences of medical liability that isn't good public health policy either. There is no checks and balances ensuring that vaccines are relatively safe if manufacturers are immune from legal action.

There really isn't any freedom to choose for yourself what's best for you and your family's health. People like to have options. If vaccines are or were effective then most people (or almost everyone) would be willing to get them voluntarily.

I would get a tetnus shot if it didn't come with diptheria. But that option isn't available. That makes no sense to me. That is forcing one vaccine on me I don't want. There needs to be more options.

[Savage]

Erin and I decided not to vaccinate our kids. We looked into it, and it seems like a big fraud for the most part. With some illnesses more people die from the vaccines than from the disease itself.

Erin's cousin is actually a vaccine salesman who teaches people how to sell more vaccines. Last time I talked to him, I could see he was getting his info from marketers, not scientists. I think the minions simply don't know the real story. They use tactics to sell the doctors, and the doctors sell the patients (out).

[Daffy Duck]

I was unschooled and thus didn't get many of the shots other kids did. I'm healthy...

I don't know much about vaccines but I do know never to get flu shots because everyone around me who gets one tends to also get the flu. What was the point again?

[SarahJaynee]

Thanks Gingko,
Great post and link. Its so scary the amount of parents who don't even look into what they are giving their kids. In Thailand the BCG (for tuberculosis) is the first immunisation for babies, given on their first or second day of Life. We got it for our baby when she was 6 months, but we didn't do the rest.
However you cannot enrol in school in Singapore or Thailand unless you have had all the required shots. We homeschool but I know many parents who end up getting their kids vaccinated AFTER they decided not to just to enrol in the school :-(

[funchy]

What does Dr Weil think about smallpox?
"First came the fever and the aching back and bones. Then the rashes and the pustules that gave the dread disease its name: smallpox.

For millennia, smallpox was one of the scourges of humankind, killing 25 to 30 of every hundred it struck. The survivors were often left blind or disfigured with its characteristic circular scars. "
The Beginning of the End of Smallpox

Why is smallpox extinct? vaccinations


What about rabies? Does everyone understand it's 100% fatal in humans if you're not vaccinated.

Whooping cough is starting to increase in the US. Why? Because so many people are skipping over this vaccine, it's getting a new foothold in our population.
University of Florida News - Whooping cough rates higher in states where vaccination exemptions easily obtained

Diphtheria is starting to creep back in, also due to drops in vaccinations. Death rate is about 10%

People who are against all vaccines must never seen someone suffer or die from lack of one. I watched my horse die from Botulism because I was lax in his vaccinations, and a weekend of suffering and $4000 in vet bills could not save him. Dying from a serious infectious disease is not something I'd wish on anyone.

While I'm all in favor of parents making informed decisions, most parents I don't don't know the difference between a live vaccine, killed vaccine, or antibody injection. Just because something comes in a needle does not mean it's a live antigen.

[Savage]

I'm interested in learning more about the vaccine issue, but the problem has been finding someone I can trust with inside knowledge of what's really going on. Too many people have causes to defend on one side or the other, and there's an excessive amount of half-truths and appeals to emotion circling about. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Just as one person tells an emotional story of someone being killed by not getting vaccinated, there are also plenty of stories of people dying from being vaccinated, especially young children.

[liamona]

I've heard that Dr. Bob Sear's The Vaccine Book is a good resource, and I like his site (which I believe he shares with his brother and father, who are also pediatricians). Mainly because he gives information in a non-scaremongering way so that you can educate yourself and decide what to do.

Someone I know went to a presentation he gave on his alternative vaccine schedule, and this is some of what he recommended:


Sears Alternative Vaccine Schedule:
2 month - DTap, Prevnar
4 month - DTaP, Hib
6 month - Hib, Prevnar
9 month - DTap, Prevnar
12 month - Hib
15 month - Hib, Prevnar
5 years - Tetanus booster

Diseases possible and serious for infants:
Meningitis (prevnar, Hib), Pertussis

Diseases possible and serious for toddlers:
Meningitis (prevnar, Hib), but rare beyond age 2

Diseases that are very serious, but a young child in US won't catch:
Polio, HepB, Diphtheria, Tetanus

Diseases that are rare and not serious for infants and toddlers:
Measles, Mumps, Rubella

Diseases that are common, but not serious for infants and toddlers:
Chickenpox

Diseases that are important when traveling outside the US:
Polio (Africa and Asia)
Hib, Diphtheria (check CDC)
Tetanus (less access to wound care)

Diseases to consider shots for teens:
Hep B (sexually transmitted)
Rubella (females)
Chickenpox
Tetanus every 10 years. Tetanus alone has 25 micrograms of mercury in
it, but DT is mercury free so you might consider DT instead of T.

Five questions he asked:
Is the disease common?
Is the disease severe?
Are there side effects from the shot?
Are there questionable ingredients in the shot?
Is there a public health risk if your child isn't vaccinated?

Based on those 5 questions, he "scored" each vaccine with a 1/5, 2/5, 3/5 4/5 or 5/5 rating. A 5/5 would have yes, yes, no, no, and yes answers to the above questions.


4/5 rating:
DTaP - serious under age 1. side effects minimal.

Diphtheria and tetanus don't happen in under 5 year olds. 19,000 cases per year of Pertussis in U.S. 1% of children end up with brain damage if they have a severe case.

Prevnar - common and serious, rare in kids over age 2. Higher chance of side effects since vaccine is relatively new.

MMR - 1 in 500 die from measles, 100 cases per year in U.S. Mumps in children usually go unnoticed, can be severe in adults. Rubella is harmless in kids but can cause troubles for fetus of pregnant women, however when adult women are vaccinated 12-26% develop severe arthritis. Worrisome ingredients, serious side effects possible, diseases rare.

1/5 rating:
HepB - serious if caught, but rare in children, recommended for teens.

2/5 rating:
Chicken pox - disease mild but common. Vaccine side effects and ingredients considerable.

Polio - last case in US in 1979. 1 in 250 causes paralysis.

If giving vaccine:
DON"T use multi-use vials, they have mercury [I don't know if this is still true, but supposedly some anti-vax organization had some "mercury-free" vaccines tested in a laboratory on their own dime, and the lab reported traces of mercury in them.]

Single dose vaccines only.
Give Vitamin A several days before and 1-2 weeks after, liquid vitamin or cod liver oil, 1,000- 3,000 IU.
Give Vitamin C on day of shot and several days after, infants 150 mg 2X day, children 250 mg 2X day, adults 500 mg 2X day.

If not vaccinating:
You must breastfeed for a minimum of 2 years.
You must not put your child in daycare.

[liamona]

It's probably best not to consult an HMO doctor if you want the least biased information on vaccines.

I find it really interesting that the doctors (mainly in affluent areas) I know who don't accept any insurance plans for payment are also the ones least likely to push vaccines.

From Dr. Bob Sears' blog:

Do Doctors Have a Financial Incentive to Get Their Patients Fully Vaccinated?

I recently talked with two physicians in different states that told me the HMO plans that they contract with do chart reviews and patient surveys at the end of each year. If their office scores high enough on these reviews, the HMO plan gives them a several thousand dollar bonus. This bonus varies depending on the number of patients the doctor sees. One of the requirements for a patient’s chart to pass the test is that they are fully vaccinated.

Now, I can somewhat understand the logic behind this. The insurance wants to make sure all their clients are fully vaccinated so they don’t catch any particularly severe disease that might result in an expensive hospitalization or disability that would cost the insurance company a lot of money. Oh, and they probably also care about their clients overall health and wellbeing too. So, why not give their doctors a bonus for meeting this goal?

Here’s why. This policy gives any doctor who contracts with such HMO plans an incentive to NOT want any unvaccinating families in their practice. Maybe a few such families wouldn’t make them fail the chart reviews, but if they have too many, there goes their year-end bonus. One colleague here in southern California told me that he happily gives up this bonus because he wants to serve these families. Good for him! But I bet that many doctor across the U.S. refuse care to these families solely because they don’t want to lose this bonus. They make so little from the HMO plan as it is that losing this bonus could make them actually lose money caring for these families. In fact, this bonus isn’t actually a bonus at all. It is actually money that should be paid to the practice anyway month by month, but it is held back until the year-end surveys are done. I don’t know of any PPO plans that do this, fortunately.

[ginkgo]

I read that many college strudents come to this site. It is good for them to know that vaccines are very controversial. I saw on TV that actress Jenny McCathy was very depressed since she caused her son to get autism by giving him the MMR vaccine (measles, mumps and rubella). Well it appears that she used alternative healing to reverse it and now she is happy. See News - Jenny McCarthy: My Son No Longer Has Autism | Usmagazine.com for the article.

This is a great article telling about Senator John McCain saying that there is evidence showing vaccines cause autism. Her son was very affectionate before the vaccine and then afterwards he was like the Frankenstein monster. Doctors accuse her of creating fear against vaccines. Her husband, Jim Carrey, is also supporting her belief.

Here is my question. Is it good or bad that her son got autism? He is better now and it may save thousands of children from getting autism.

[JAX]

I have a friend who used to be a pharmaceutical rep. He told me he thought it was funny that he was teaching doctors about the different drugs they should be prescribing. He said what do I know, I only know how to sell. Plus he told me he got a big expense account to woo the doctors to using his companies drugs. Pretty crazy.

I am not an advocate for the use of vaccinations. I don't currently have children, but I've done enough research to know I won't be vaccinating them when I have them in the future.

It's also crazy that so many tv shows lately have had episodes pushing the use of vaccinations. They make the non-vaccinated families look like uneducated criminals and of course the story line is about the devastating effects not vaccinating has had on the child's life. So the parent is made to look irresponsible.

Thanks Ginko for bringing this up and sharing the article.

Jax

[ginkgo]

I put a link to an article on here once about how doctors get their drug education from the pharmacuetical reps. The drug companies control doctors since they fund the grants for the research and the hospitals. So it is like your friend is representing the people that the doctors are working for.

[st33med]

Meh, as a kid in an AP Biology class, I'll try to clear this up.

A vaccine is a weakened virus. These viruses are too weak, too denatured to harm anything, yet their DNA is still viable. Its like the chicken pox; you get the virus once, it rarely comes back. The immune system's memory cells detect the antigen on the virus and start to divide. That cell's daughter cells that divided from the parent are cells with the correct 'detector', or MHC, of the antigen and multiply rapidly. Some cells lyse, or dissolve and die, releasing their MHCs to become an antibody. These antibodies are used for clumping around the virus and having killer T-cells engulf the virus or kill the infected cell displaying the antigen. Other cells from the parent become memory cells that float around and detect the antigen.

In summary: immune system takes virus, multiplies tenfold, you gain immunity in your body with the new update.

[Erin Pavlina]

My cousin, who was apparently the top vaccine salesman in the country, and wrote a book about how to sell vaccines to doctors and had to use a psuedonym so he wouldn't be fired... told me that it all came down to incentives. Doctors would often get cars, vacations, expensive dinners, and even boats if they agreed to use the vaccines from a certain pharmaceutical company. He agreed that it was all marketing and the science didn't matter. He didn't say the science was bad, mind you, just that they never used science to sell vaccines; they used financial incentives. he said so many doctors end up with so little money becuase their cost of insurance and runnign their practice is so high, so they love the incentives because they are gifts.

It may be true that a vaccine offers some immunity. But when you get the disease naturally it goes through filters first, like through your nose and lungs, and is filtered. Injecting the virus directly into the bloodsteam bypasses the natural filters. Also, vaccines contain other ingredients that an actual virus wouldn't contain, like formaldehyde or mercury or whatever. Chemicals that have no rightful place in the body.

I remember at dinner one night with this cousin he was just outraged that we didn't give our kids the chicken pox vaccine. He said, "Don't you know that 64 children per year die from chicken pox?" I'm like, "Did you mean to say 64,000 or something?" he said, "No, 64." Uh, okay, yeah, that's an epidemic alright.

But he admitted that the chicken pox vaccine only lasts 13 years and after that kids would be just as susceptible to chicken pox as anyone. When I pointed out that getting chicken pox as a young adult or an adult is far worse on the body than getting it as a kid, as it can lead to sterility, he said, "That's not our problem."

We haven't spoken much since we had that heated debate over dinner. we went over every vaccine that night. I thought he was going to explode with outrage.

Oh yeah, he told me that the reason the chicken pox vaccine was created was because parents had to take 2 weeks off from work to care for their children who had it, and it was affecting the GNP and productivity, so they developed the vaccine to keep parents in their cubicles.

All I'm saying is... there's a lot more to this than meets the eye.

[SarahJaynee]

Originally Posted by funchy

What about rabies? Does everyone understand it's 100% fatal in humans if you're not vaccinated.

Rabies vaccine is not recommended for general population use - only those at risk (animal workers).
I got bitten by a Monkey in Thailand and just need 3 shots on the wound when I went to the hospital (I have never had a rabies vaccination).

I agree with you Steve, its very hard to find adequate information. However when the UK government heavily pressed the triple vaccine MMR and then Tony Blair chose to forego the triple vaccine for his own children and opted instead to pay privately for the single dose vaccines then that changed my mind instantly!

[st33med]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

My cousin, who was apparently the top vaccine salesman in the country, and wrote a book about how to sell vaccines to doctors and had to use a psuedonym so he wouldn't be fired... told me that it all came down to incentives. Doctors would often get cars, vacations, expensive dinners, and even boats if they agreed to use the vaccines from a certain pharmaceutical company. He agreed that it was all marketing and the science didn't matter. He didn't say the science was bad, mind you, just that they never used science to sell vaccines; they used financial incentives. he said so many doctors end up with so little money becuase their cost of insurance and runnign their practice is so high, so they love the incentives because they are gifts.

It may be true that a vaccine offers some immunity. But when you get the disease naturally it goes through filters first, like through your nose and lungs, and is filtered. Injecting the virus directly into the bloodsteam bypasses the natural filters. Also, vaccines contain other ingredients that an actual virus wouldn't contain, like formaldehyde or mercury or whatever. Chemicals that have no rightful place in the body.

I remember at dinner one night with this cousin he was just outraged that we didn't give our kids the chicken pox vaccine. He said, "Don't you know that 64 children per year die from chicken pox?" I'm like, "Did you mean to say 64,000 or something?" he said, "No, 64." Uh, okay, yeah, that's an epidemic alright.

But he admitted that the chicken pox vaccine only lasts 13 years and after that kids would be just as susceptible to chicken pox as anyone. When I pointed out that getting chicken pox as a young adult or an adult is far worse on the body than getting it as a kid, as it can lead to sterility, he said, "That's not our problem."

We haven't spoken much since we had that heated debate over dinner. we went over every vaccine that night. I thought he was going to explode with outrage.

Oh yeah, he told me that the reason the chicken pox vaccine was created was because parents had to take 2 weeks off from work to care for their children who had it, and it was affecting the GNP and productivity, so they developed the vaccine to keep parents in their cubicles.

All I'm saying is... there's a lot more to this than meets the eye.

That's also true. Some big pharmacies can be cheapskates and give you a snake oil vaccine not approved by the FDA :\.

[Dreamline]

Not all vaccines are inert enough to be completely safe. Or simply safe, in general. Smallpox vaccine can be deadly. Dozens of girls have already died from the HPV vaccine, Gardisil, and it's only a year old. The saddest part is the vaccine probably only protects against 2 of the 15 strains that can cause cervical cancer. Now, they want to give it to young boys and men. (Cha ching!)

The fact that vaccines have to contain preservatives that are either made of mercury (hello!?) or a form of toxic aluminum is just retarded. ALL vaccines should be single dose, no preservative. Not multi-dose.

So what happens is, certain vulnerable kids and people are basically sacrificed for the good of the people. If there is risk, there should be informed consent and that includes, by default, the option of refusal. The thing is, with schools, the majority of lemmings are going to choose to vaccinate their kids. The ones that don't are the ones at risk. Not the general school population.

Autism isn't caused by vaccines. The latest data is that it's caused by the body's inability to normally clear toxins, in general. Probably a genetic defect. But the aggressive vaccine schedules in toddlers and infants guarantee that a massive dose of mercury or toxic aluminum are injected into kids who may or may not have that genetic defect and are certainly at a growth stage where they are most vulnerable. Surprise! We gave your kid autism. Or at least helped it along. (With the sheer amount of toxins in our environment and people's general ignorance about them, the fact is those kids with that genetic defect are vulnerable anyway and will eventually show symptoms unless mom is an organic food freak and chemical hater and keeps her kids under a rock.)

Originally Posted by EP

Oh yeah, he told me that the reason the chicken pox vaccine was created was because parents had to take 2 weeks off from work to care for their children who had it, and it was affecting the GNP and productivity, so they developed the vaccine to keep parents in their cubicles.

Now that is more like truth.


There are some things I wouldn't mess with, disease-wise. Rubella, measles, smallpox, tetanus, diptheria, polio if I travelled. I had no choice growing up whether or not to get vaccinated and my mom did what her MDs suggested. But I did have a chance in my late 20s to refuse to get HepB but I was, at the time, unaware of the potential dangers of vaccines. So for my job in the medical industry, I not only was given the three-shot course of HepB, but my titre subsequently came back negative so I had to take it all again! That's six doses in less than eight months. (PS: my titre is still negative...so it was all a waste.) Plus a tetanus booster that year for a trip overseas. Chicken pox vaccine and pneumococcal pneumonia. Surprise! I was being tested by several neurologists for possible multiple sclerosis the following year. (I just coincidentally, or by divine providence, became a 2/3rds raw vegan around that time and I think it saved my life.)

But now, you'd better have some extremely compelling evidence before I'll ever take a vaccine again except for boosters of certain things.

Jennifer

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

The purpose of a drug company is not to help health. (That would be a humanitarian group).
The purpose of a drug company is to sell drugs, period (like Tamiflu).
This article tells all about the vaccination con. Ron Paul 2012

It says: "From his book ‘Health and Healing’ Dr Andrew Weil best answers it with this statement:
'Scientific medicine has taken credit it does not deserve for some advances in health. Most people believe that victory over the infectious diseases of the last century came with the invention of immunisations.
In fact,
cholera, typhoid, diphtheria and whooping cough, etc, were in decline before vaccines for them became available – the result of better methods of sanitation, sewage disposal, and distribution of food and water.' "

Right on, re "medicine has taken credit it does not deserve, for some advances in health - because contagious diseases declined as the result of better methods of sanitation, sewage disposal, and distribution of food and water.." - for decades in various sick-care fields, having worked.

Medical doctors would serve the Public, teaching their clients how to benefit from strengthening one's own Immune systems.

[Writertype]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

I put a link to an article on here once about how doctors get their drug education from the pharmacuetical reps.

Funny, as a med student I thought I was getting my education about drugs from various PhDs and MDs who practice and research every day. I don't recall getting Pharmacology courtesy of Lilly. Remember that doctors have had plenty of training before they even talk to pharmaceutical reps. Pharmaceutical representatives do offer 'incentives' and education about new compounds, but let's put that in perspective-- doctors (at least should) have the background to critically evaluate what they're hearing.

Thanks for the article ginko! I have been wondering where people were getting the vaccination accusations from. I am really intrigued by the sanitation and waste control argument, I plan to look into that. You're right: medicine is always a risk-benefit analysis, and a fair minded doctor should always maximize benifit and limit risk.

[Writertype]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

It may be true that a vaccine offers some immunity. But when you get the disease naturally it goes through filters first, like through your nose and lungs, and is filtered.

What do you mean by 'filtered?' The body has plenty of defenses like skin, mucous on the bronchi, macrophages in the alveoli, cellular membranes, and then a full immune system once the virus or bacterium makes it past all of that. The great thing about all of those natural defenses is that it keeps us from getting sick as easily. If the disease makes it into your body and starts attacking, though, there is nothing fundamentally changed or 'filtered' about it due to its having gone through your lungs or nose. It is what it is, and injecting it or having it penetrate in your circulation means the same thing: it's in the circulation.

Can you give the title of your cousin's book? It sounds like some pretty interesting reading!

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by Writertype

Funny, as a med student I thought I was getting my education about drugs from various PhDs and MDs who practice and research every day. I don't recall getting Pharmacology courtesy of Lilly. Remember that doctors have had plenty of training before they even talk to pharmaceutical reps.

I do not make this stuff up. It is not off the top of my head. The medical student is not an MD or doctor yet. The students do learn a lot about drugs that is outdated information. Once they are a doctor, then the reps (this is wrong title-- see below) give them the latest, newest up to date information. As a med student, you learn for several years. As an MD, you spend decades learning.

It is not me saying that about the education of MDs. It is from Alan Levin M.D. Who is this crackpot? "Dr Alan Levin is an Adjunct Associate Professor of Immunology and Dermatology at the University of California. He is a Fellow of the American College of Emergency Physicians, the College of American Pathologists, and the American Society of Clinical Pathologists. Dr Levin is also a recipient of fellowships and awards from Harvard Medical School and other medical institutions, and was Director of various research laboratories." Also his tears cure cancer. Too bad he never cries. Just kidding! That is what they say about Chuck Norris. That is humor therapy.

Corporate Crime in the Pharmaceutical Industry | ENCOGNITIVE.COM. It says "A major reason why health care is in such a shambles is that the medical establishment has allowed itself to be bought off by the pharmaceutical industry, whose prime motive is profit [I started this thread saying this]. In the book Dissent in Medicine - Nine Doctors Speak Out (1985), Dr Alan Levin writes:

'Health care in the United States has become a megabillion-dollar business. It is responsible for over 12 percent of the gross national product. Revenues from the health industry, which currently exceed $360 billion a year, are second only to those of the defense industry.' "

"Drug companies hire detail men to visit physicians' offices and to distribute drug samples. They describe the indications for these drugs and attempt to persuade physicians to use their products. Like any other salesman, they denigrate the products of their competitors while glossing over the shortcomings of their own. Detail men have no formal medical or pharmacological training and are not regulated by any state or federal agencies. Despite their lack of training, these salesmen have been very effective. Their sales campaigns have been so successful within the United States that the average physician today has virtually been trained by the drug detail man."

"Young physicians are offered research grants by drug companies. Medical schools are given large sums of money for clinical trials and basic pharmaceutical research. Drug companies regularly host lavish dinner and cocktail parties for groups of physicians. They provide funding for the establishment of hospital buildings, medical school buildings, and 'independent' research institutes."

Vaccination: 100 Years of Orthodox Research Shows that Vaccines Represent a Medical Assault on the Immune System
by Viera Scheibner Ph.D.

"This book (published 1993) is a concise summary of the results of orthodox medical research into vaccines and their effects. It aims to inform medical professionals, parents and the general public about short and long-term dangerous side-effects, including brain damage and death, of vaccines; of the ineffectiveness of vaccines in preventing infectious diseases, as shown by epidemics in fully vaccinated populations; and the causal link between DPT and polio vaccines and cot death.

"Dr Viera Scheibner, retired Principal Research Scientist for the NSW [New South Wales] Government with a doctorate in Natural Sciences, has published 3 books and some 90 scientific papers in refereed scientific journals in Australia and overseas during her distinguished career."

She knows more about biology than st33med."Meh, as a kid in an AP Biology class, I'll try to clear this up." I was in AP (advanced placement) biology, AP chemistry and AP physics before becoming a chemist for the federal government. I went to Central High School of Philadelphia. "Central High School holds the distinction of being the only high school in the United States that has the authority, granted by an Act of Assembly in 1849, to confer academic degrees upon its graduates.

"The Controllers of the Public Schools of the First District of Pennsylvania shall have and possess the power to confer academic degrees in the arts upon graduates of the Central High School, in the City of Philadelphia, and the same and like power to confer degrees, honorary and otherwise, which is now possessed by the University of Pennsylvania."

"...the link between vaccine injections and cot death became painfully obvious.

"Following this finding, Dr Scheibner studied some 30,000 pages of medical papers dealing with vaccination. She found no evidence that vaccines are safe or effective. Vaccines are highly noxious. They contain formaldehyde, aluminium phosphate, thiomersal (mercury compound), foreign proteins (antigens) and contaminating animal proteins and viruses from the tissues used as growth medium to culture the viral and bacterial components of vaccines. None of these substances should ever be injected into human beings. They erode the immune system and alter the immunological response to diseases.

"The appearance of many new, autoimmune diseases like asthma, affecting alarming numbers of children, childhood leukaemia, and cancer, the enormous upsurge in the incidence of cerebral palsy and infantile convulsions seen in children of vaccination age and not before, should all be taken as serious warnings. Infectious diseases contracted at the appropriate age and allowed to run their course are beneficial because they serve to prime and mature the child's immune system.

"The overwhelming evidence from the numerous human clinical and epidemiological studies cited by Dr Scheibner demonstrates beyond any doubt the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccinations and her book is a most valuable contribution towards exposing the myth of vaccinations."

I may be an expert on fasting, losing weight and happiness, but I am not even close to being an expert on vaccinations (I only read one book on it). But the above are experts.

[Erin Pavlina]

Writertype, If I can remember what his psuedonym was, I will PM you the title of his book. I remember the first name he used but not the last and can't find it on amazon at the moment, but i'll ask my aunt and see if she remembers.

I went to a talk by Dr. Viera Scheibner. She was great.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by JAX

It's also crazy that so many tv shows lately have had episodes pushing the use of vaccinations. They make the non-vaccinated families look like uneducated criminals and of course the story line is about the devastating effects not vaccinating has had on the child's life. So the parent is made to look irresponsible.

That's no accident—the CDC has a "Health Marketing in Action Page" with information directed to the entertainment industry:

CDC - Health Marketing in Action

Entertainment Education
Television shows, movies, and music not only command the attention of their audiences, but also reinforce existing behavior, demonstrate new behavior, and affect audience emotions. Learn how the CDC partners with Hollywood executives and academic, public health, and advocacy organizations to share information with writers and producers about the nation's pressing health issues.

CDC Health Marketing | Entertainment Education

The CDC recognizes the power of popular entertainment in shaping the perceptions and practices of its viewers. Television shows, movies, and music not only command the attention of their audiences, but also reinforce existing behavior, demonstrate new behavior, and affect audience emotions. The CDC often partners with Hollywood executives and academic, public health, and advocacy organizations to share information with writers and producers about the nation's pressing health issues.

The CDC Entertainment Education Program works in partnership with Hollywood, Health & Society (HH&S) at the University of Southern California's Norman Lear Center to provide expert consultation, education and resources for writers and producers who develop scripts with health storylines and information.

Popular entertainment provides an ideal outlet for sharing health information and affecting behavior. We are interested in providing information that covers a variety of topics including violence against women, suicide, lead poisoning, hospital infection, bioterrorism, youth health issues, HIV/AIDS and much more. Knowing that 88 percent of people in America learn about health issues from television, we believe that prime time and daytime television programs, movies, talk shows and more, are great outlets for our health messages.

Tip Sheets for TV Writers and Producers
Tip Sheets for TV Writers and Producers contain easy-to-use, credible information on the nation's most pressing health issues and topics of interest to writers. Each tip sheet includes a description of who's at risk, typical symptoms, prevention messages, case examples, and a list of other resources. Over 130 tip sheets are currently in development at Hollywood, Health & Society, with many of these already available online. The broad range of topics includes skin cancer, sudden infant death syndrome, smallpox, and antibiotic resistance.

http://www.cdc.gov/healthmarketing/entertainment_education/tips/immuniz.htm

Resources for TV Writers and Producers

Low Immunization Rates
Tips for Scripts

EDUCATE parents about the importance of immunization and what can happen if children are not vaccinated.

INFORM viewers that vaccine-preventable diseases caused hundreds of thousands of cases of illness and thousands of deaths every year in the United States before the 1920s when vaccines were not available. Cases of measles, diphtheria, and pertussis exceeded half a million per year; deaths from these diseases totaled about 20,000 annually. Hib meningitis used to strike 12,000 children a year, leaving many either dead or with permanent brain damage.

REASSURE viewers that we can now protect children from eleven diseases. Polio has not circulated in the U. S. since 1979, and disease and death from diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella, and Haemophilus influenzae type b are at or near record lows.

REMIND viewers that children should not have to suffer and possibly die from a vaccine-preventable disease and that their doctor or clinic can advise them on childhood immunization schedules beginning within the first year of life.

Is it no wonder that the masses, who are often heavy teevee viewers, all have the same opinions about these kinds of issues?

[st33med]

@ginkgo, several things in that article did not make sense and/or it is out of date.

This book (published 1993) is a concise summary of the results of orthodox medical research into vaccines and their effects. It aims to inform medical professionals, parents and the general public about short and long-term dangerous side-effects, including brain damage and death, of vaccines;

I am not so sure how a vaccine could cause brain damage, or even death. A vaccine is a weakened or killed virus which usually boosts the immune system. What the doctor is saying is like having a cold virus kill a person in the short or long term. Brain damage cannot or is infinitesimally unlikely to be caused by a few killed or weak viruses.

...of the ineffectiveness of vaccines in preventing infectious diseases, as shown by epidemics in fully vaccinated populations;

Several epidemics have been quashed by vaccines, such as smallpox. See this Wikipedia article about smallpox in Stockholm:

An anti-vaccination campaign motivated by religious objections, by concerns about effectiveness, and by concerns about individual rights, led to the vaccination rate in Stockholm dropping to just over 40%, compared to about 90% elsewhere in Sweden. A major smallpox epidemic then started in 1873. It led to a rise in vaccine uptake and an end of the epidemic.[19]

...and the causal link between DPT and polio vaccines and cot death.

Polio vaccines are not used anymore besides third world countries with polio. And even then, those not using the vaccine to eradicate the virus experience so many deaths.

Wikipedia:

In the early 2000s, conservative religious leaders in northern Nigeria, suspicious of Western medicine, advised their followers to not have their children vaccinated with oral polio vaccine. The boycott was endorsed by the governor of Kano State, and immunization was suspended for several months. Subsequently, polio reappeared in a dozen formerly polio-free neighbors of Nigeria, and genetic tests showed the virus was the same one that originated in northern Nigeria: Nigeria had become a net exporter of polio virus to its African neighbors. People in the northern states were also reported to be wary of other vaccinations, and Nigeria reported over 20,000 measles cases and nearly 600 deaths from measles from January through March 2005.

And DPT, I have never heard of, so I researched. What I found was that it rarely ever caused a abnormal reaction.

They contain formaldehyde, aluminium phosphate, thiomersal (mercury compound), foreign proteins (antigens) and contaminating animal proteins and viruses from the tissues used as growth medium to culture the viral and bacterial components of vaccines.

Aluminum concentrations in vaccines are so low, that baby food has more than it. I seriously doubt they use formaldehyde, and thiomersal is banned today. Antigens are required to gain immunity, so that's crazy talk. Animal proteins would also do nothing in the blood.

She knows more about biology than st33med.

Her credentials are highly questionable; she has a degree in paleontology and geology, and she is ridiculed by the scientific community.

Please do not take this as an offense, I am just pointing out that what the doctor said is wrong.

[Writertype]

For those of you who want to delve deeper into the issue, here is a really good page on vaccinations from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (Frequently Asked Questions About Vaccines : Vaccine Education Center - Children's Hospital of Philadelphia). I have linked to the FAQ but there is a lot to look around at.

[Savage]

It's the ongoing battle of power vs. truth.

[st33med]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

It's the ongoing battle of power vs. truth.

Problem is, who is telling the truth?

[Savage]

Originally Posted by st33med

Problem is, who is telling the truth?

Whoever commits to aligning themselves with truth.

Since most corporations are set up to value something more highly than truth (such as profits or market share), they cannot be trusted in matters of truth.

[Brutha]

This book (published 1993) is a concise summary of the results of orthodox medical research into vaccines and their effects.

A book pubished in 1993 doesn't describe the safety of today's vaccines.
While today's vaccines are still called that way they don't have the same problem as the first vaccines had.

I am not so sure how a vaccine could cause brain damage, or even death. A vaccine is a weakened or killed virus which usually boosts the immune system. What the doctor is saying is like having a cold virus kill a person in the short or long term. Brain damage cannot or is infinitesimally unlikely to be caused by a few killed or weak viruses.

Not every time every virus gets killed and there are infections through viruses in small pox vaccines.
For the first small pox vaccines the tradeoff of prevent an illness that killed 1000 people was worth sacrificing a dozen that die through the vaccine.
But vaccine science has progressed and today's vaccines are a lot safer.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

With some illnesses more people die from the vaccines than from the disease itself.

Could you tell me some of these diseases/vaccinations?

It seems unbelievable that they would continue to be administered if there was a higher death rate from the vaccine than the disease (unless the vaccine is preventing a death-causing illness in most people).