This is a Great Article About Vaccinations

[liamona]

Originally Posted by st33med

Aluminum concentrations in vaccines are so low, that baby food has more than it. I seriously doubt they use formaldehyde, and thiomersal is banned today. Antigens are required to gain immunity, so that's crazy talk. Animal proteins would also do nothing in the blood.

According to Senior Chemist Michael Wagnitz (of University of Wisconsin's Department of Toxicology),

While aluminum is in the food we eat at much higher levels, it is not absorbed well through the gastrointestinal tract. When this protective gastrointestinal mechanism is bypassed, aluminum toxicity can cause serious problems.

According to the American Society for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition, based on IV feeding solutions, a child should not exceed a maximum daily dose of 5 mcg of aluminum per kilogram of weight per day. That means if a child weighs 11 pounds, the child should not exceed 25 mcg in a day. This level was determined to be the maximum safety limit based on a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine titled "Aluminum Neurotoxicity in Preterm Infants Receiving Intravenous Feeding Solutions."

The hepatitis B vaccine, administered at birth, contains 250 mcg.

In a 1996 policy statement, "Aluminum Toxicity in Infants and Children," the American Academy of Pediatrics states, "Aluminum can cause neurological harm. People with kidney disease who build up bloodstream levels of aluminum greater than 100 mcg per liter are at risk of toxicity. The toxic threshold of aluminum in the bloodstream may be lower than 100 mcg per liter."

So let's say an infant receives 1,250 micrograms at 2 months of age (three vaccines). Assuming a child's body contains a half liter of blood, this would put the blood level 25 times higher than the above mentioned levels.
(from http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?ref=/tct/2009/02/10/0902100224.php)

Yes, formaldehyde is still used in some vaccines.

This is the Health and Human Services updated PDF file of vaccines package inserts for all vaccines distributed in the U.S. as of March 2009:

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

On the far right, click on the vaccine you want information on. I clicked on Pediatrix, which pulls up the specific information on ingredients, and this is what it says (note the bolded text):

PEDIARIX ® [Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Adsorbed, Hepatitis B (Recombinant) and Inactivated Poliovirus Vaccine Combined] is a noninfectious, sterile, multivalent vaccine for intramuscular administration manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals. It contains diphtheria and tetanus toxoids, 3 pertussis antigens (inactivated pertussis toxin [PT] and formaldehyde-treated filamentous hemagglutinin [FHA] and pertactin [69 kiloDalton outer membrane protein]), hepatitis B surface antigen, plus poliovirus Type 1 (Mahoney), Type 2 (MEF-1), and Type 3 (Saukett). The diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid, and pertussis antigens are the same as those in INFANRIX ® (Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed). The hepatitis B surface antigen is the same as that in ENGERIX-B ® [Hepatitis B Vaccine (Recombinant)]. The diphtheria toxin is produced by growing Corynebacterium diphtheriae in Fenton medium containing a bovine extract.

Tetanus toxin is produced by growing Clostridium tetani in a modified Latham medium derived from bovine casein.The bovine materials used in these extracts are sourced from countries which the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has determined neither have nor are at risk of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE). Both toxins are detoxified with formaldehyde, concentrated by ultrafiltration, and purified by precipitation, dialysis, and sterile filtration. The 3 acellular pertussis antigens (PT, FHA, and pertactin) are isolated from Bordetella pertussis culture grown in modified Stainer-Scholte liquid medium. PT and FHA are isolated from the fermentation broth; pertactin is extracted from the cells by heat treatment and flocculation. The antigens are purified in successive chromatographic and precipitation steps. PT is detoxified using glutaraldehyde and formaldehyde. FHA and pertactin are treated with formaldehyde.

The package insert for Infantrix (DTaP) also lists formaldehyde.

Merck's ProQuad vaccine (for Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Varicella) contains MSG, in addition to other ingredients which I wouldn't want injected into my children:

Each 0.5-mL dose of the vaccine contains no more than 21 mg of sucrose, 11 mg of hydrolyzed gelatin, 2.4 mg of sodium chloride, 1.8 mg of sorbitol, 0.40 mg of monosodium L-glutamate, 0.34 mg of sodium phosphate dibasic, 0.31 mg of human albumin, 0.17 mg of sodium bicarbonate, 72 mcg of potassium phosphate monobasic, 60 mcg of potassium chloride; 36 mcg of potassium phosphate dibasic; residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein; <16 mcg of neomycin, bovine calf serum (0.5 mcg), and other buffer and media ingredients.

I wonder what vegans think of the bovine and chicken serums used in vaccine manufacturing? Are you reassured by their statement that "bovine materials used in these extracts are sourced from countries which the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has determined neither have nor are at risk of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE)"?



I also wanted to direct you to the following article:

How Independent Are Vaccine Defenders? - CBS News

The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for conferences, grants, medical education classes and even helped build their headquarters. The totals are kept secret, but public documents reveal bits and pieces.

# A $342,000 payment from Wyeth, maker of the pneumococcal vaccine - which makes $2 billion a year in sales.

# A $433,000 contribution from Merck, the same year the academy endorsed Merck's HPV vaccine - which made $1.5 billion a year in sales.

# Another top donor: Sanofi Aventis, maker of 17 vaccines and a new five-in-one combo shot just added to the childhood vaccine schedule last month.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Could you tell me some of these diseases/vaccinations?

It seems unbelievable that they would continue to be administered if there was a higher death rate from the vaccine than the disease (unless the vaccine is preventing a death-causing illness in most people).

Polio for starters. After 1979 there hasn't been a single case of polio caused by the virus in the USA other than from people getting polio from the vaccine itself... or people coming into the country who were already infected. These days you're more likely to contract polio from the vaccine than from the wild virus.

If you want to learn more about the subject of vaccinations, you should be able to find plenty of books about it via Amazon.

[st33med]

@liamona, the formaldehyde concentrations I found from the PDF of vaccines were at most 100 mcg/L or less. Comparing that to the 2-3 mg/L (or 2000-3000 mcg) found naturally in the human blood stream, its an insignificant contribution to the levels; however, I could not find anything about toxicity levels of formaldehyde in the blood stream.

From the IARC:

5.4 Other relevant data

The concentration of endogenous formaldehyde in human blood is about 2-3 mg/L; similar concentrations are found in the blood of monkeys and rats. Exposure of humans, monkeys or rats to formaldehyde by inhalation does not alter the concentration of formaldehyde in the blood.

But, yes, I am wrong about the formaldehyde in vaccines
As for aluminum, the levels in vaccines are mandated by the FDA to not go above 850 mcg. I trust the FDA is making a good decision. Also, aluminum is filtered by kidneys, so, after a month, the added aluminum is gone from the system unless a person has faulty nephrons in the kidneys, and even then, it takes time.

As for MSGs and your other ingredient concerns, I found nothing wrong with them.

One thing I would like to add: if you think that pharmaceutical companies would just use the simplest thing to preserve/make the vaccines without regard to human health, think again. If I were CEO of one of these companies, I would rather not want to get sued for deaths caused by careless choices, plus, more deaths equals less paying customers. The most underhanded and legal thing I can think of is to make sure the vaccine is effective, but only for a period of time. Then, booster shots would be required.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by st33med

One thing I would like to add: if you think that pharmaceutical companies would just use the simplest thing to preserve/make the vaccines without regard to human health, think again. If I were CEO of one of these companies, I would rather not want to get sued for deaths caused by careless choices, plus, more deaths equals less paying customers. The most underhanded and legal thing I can think of is to make sure the vaccine is effective, but only for a period of time. Then, booster shots would be required.

The law is such that they can't get sued for wrongful deaths from vaccination. They're immune to such lawsuits. I believe victims' families get a certain fixed payout from a govt fund.

[Erin Pavlina]

Yes that's right. The pharma companies were getting sued too often and said they would go out of business with all the lawsuits, so the gov't said there is a cap. You die from a vaccine you get like $64,000 and if you are maimed for life you get a million (or something like that, look it up).

Also they found that a lot of the people responsible for approving vaccines own stock in the vaccine companies. Talk about a conflict of interest!

[Writertype]

From Children's Hospital of Philadelphia:

"Aluminum-containing vaccines have been used for decades and have been given to over one billion people without problem. In spring 2000, the National Vaccine Program Office (NVPO) reviewed aluminum exposure through vaccines and determined that no changes to vaccine recommendations were needed based on aluminum content. The Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety, part of the World Health Organization (WHO), has also reviewed studies and found no evidence of health risks that would require changes to vaccine policy."

What damage are you claiming happens from these elevated aluminum levels? Aluminum may do damage to a person with failing kidneys, but that completely alters the pharmacokinetics of the substance. They will have chronic exposure to high levels of many toxins. A baby injected with aluminum should not.

Vaccination companies do give money to pediatric researchers. Who would you prefer do vaccine research? Or would you rather all research money come from taxpayers to avoid conflict of interest?

As for the vaccine compensation program:
"Awards to the estate in a vaccine-related death are limited to $250,000 plus attorney’s fees and costs. Awards to individuals with an injury judged to be vaccine-related have averaged $1,022,699. There is no limitation on the amount of an award in a vaccine-related injury. However, the law does contain certain restrictions."
(HRSA - National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program)

So there is a cap for vaccine-related death, but there is no cap for vaccine-related injury.

If you look around the vaccine compensation program website you can see that a good number of people have either died or been injured by vaccines. Still, how many lives were saved by them? I imagine quite a few. And sanitation would not cover everything-- even in recent years when people have stopped vaccinating diseases have resurfaced (check teh CHoP website I linked to earlier for more).

[ginkgo]

The arguments sound like this. I say that I spit on a guy, poured orange juice on the guy and then I shot a guy in the head and he died. Then someone says that that is crazy talk. That cannot happen. You did not shoot him. So how does spitting on a guy , kill him. I can give you lots of references that say that spitting on someone will not kill them. You tell me how spitting on someone can kill them.

It cannot. Also lots of references say that pouring orange juice on a guy cannot kill him. Why do you think that pouring orange juice on a guy can kill him. It cannot. Note how it ignores the one deadly thing. Brutha said that vaccines are safer now. That means the same thing as "less deadly". Drugs are less deadly now than before. I thought it was common knowledge that most vaccines have mercury and that can kill you or cause brain damage.

Also who says that air can kill you. It is needed to live so how can it kill you. The body is protected by its skin. It is not meant to have to deal with things injected into it. So air that is safe can kill you when injected into you.

So doctors are better at curing people now. This can also mean that they are not as deadly as before. In the late 1800s, the most common treatment was bleeding or bloodletting and that killed millions of people. The 2nd most common treatment was blistering by burning. In Natural Hygiene they say that as far as these different deadly diseases, it was the doctors treatment that killed them. If they were left to rest and fast, they would get better.

Quoting Wikipedia is fine when it comes to things that people agree on. But with controversial things it says that whatever you write can be edited and edited. Anyone can write something in Wikipedia.

Also someone said that Vioxx kills people. That is ridiculous. It was approved of by the FDA. Millions of doctors have prescribed it. Are you telling me that they are all wrong and are hurting people. THAT IS CRAZY! Can you name a single person that was killed by Vioxx? There is not a single death certificate that says that the cause of death is Vioxx. People have been dying of heart attacks for decades. Vioxx is no more deadly than a vaccine. Millions of people have used Vioxx and are still alive.

[Hyperchiller]

Yeah, you're probably more likely to die/get sick from vaccines than the actual diseases themselves.

See The Dangers of Vaccines on youtube: YouTube - Dangers of Vaccines - Part 1

[liamona]

Originally Posted by st33med

As for aluminum, the levels in vaccines are mandated by the FDA to not go above 850 mcg. I trust the FDA is making a good decision.

That's the operative word, isn't it? TRUST. After reading a lot of books, like researcher Hillary Butler's Just a Little Prick, I trust the FDA less and less.

I just learned a bit of "hidden history" from an old thread of hers at Mothering.com (She was a frequent contributer to the Vaccine Forum under the name "Momtezuma Tuatara"):

Useless vaccines: a USA and NZ history lesson. - MotheringDotCommunity Forums

The FDA used to be called the DBS, "Division of Biological Standards." It changed names after, among other things, a Senate Hearing in 1973 revealed problems such as the fact that over thirty vaccines had been sold for years, if not decades, that were not only completely ineffective, but had side effects in children like fever, rash, or diarrhea.

The panel uncovered the same issues that are still being uncovered about the cozy relationship vaccine manufacturers have with the government.

Butler uploaded GIF files of pages from the Senate report in the thread, if you want to read the rest of its outrageous findings. She has voluminous amounts of copies of government reports, articles, and medical studies.

I also thought it interesting that top researchers like microbiologist Dr. Anthony J. Morris and Dr. Bernice Eddy were basically scapegoated and/or demoted from their positions when they discovered problems with vaccines.

Butler has a chapter devoted to Dr. Morris, called "Fighting Hogwash—Dr. J. Anthony Morris."

He found in 1963 that it was virtually impossible to measure the actual strength of the flu vaccine. In a study that year he found that there was almost no benefits derived from vaccinating the elderly.

When he shared his findings with his superiors, they made him hand over all his materials and records, his lab staff were reassigned to others, and blocked him from publishing any of his findings.

Dr. Bernice Eddy, another government researcher found in 1960 that the Salk polio vaccine was contaminated with a monkey virus (SV-40), and could cause cancer and/or tumors in susceptible people.

She told her superiors. You can guess they didn't rush out to destroy the rest of the vaccines—instead, they allowed the contaminated viruses to remain on shelves until they could develop a new one that they thought was free of viral contamination. Neither doctors nor the public were informed of the contamination.

The Virus and the Vaccine - 00.02

I wonder what kinds of contaminants are in vaccines today, that remain a secret, or that doctors simply don't have the knowledge or technology to uncover yet?

[liamona]

Lists vaccine excipients by excipient (as opposed to by vaccine) from the CDC:

"Vaccine Excipient and Media Summary"
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...nt-table-1.pdf

Prepared to be amazed at the variety of animal ingredients used. *shudder*

Here's something that will surely cheer you veg*ns up:

"The problem is that most gelatins in foods come from boiled cows, while the gelatin used in vaccines is from boiled pigs."
From Dr. Greene's website, and also the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

It lists the vaccines that still contain thimerosal, which are mainly the multi-dose ones, although it also says that "Some single dose containers contain trace amounts of thimerosal from the production process, but substantially lower concentrations than if used as a preservative."

Yet many pro-vaccine advocates claim that there's no thimerosal at all in vaccines.