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I've read the books about the subject matter and they recommend high protein diet. Thing is...I feel sick just to think of eating lots of meat and eggs. I love fish but it's not practical on a daily basis nor is it cheap. If I cut down on food I feel light-headed and before I know my blood sugar drops a lot. I've been to the doctors, been tested, these issues discussed, etc. They do agree sugar drops too low on diet so they tell me to up my food, which actually works but then I put weight on. Conventional doctors believe in high carb diets. So that's what I am doing now. (I don't think it does insulin levels any good either????). This is driving me bananas. High carb or high protein? |
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| Quote: So it looks like protein is definetly the way to go. And I agree with what you said about the Med diet. That's the diet I had all my life and look at me. Ha! Even elderly people from the villages are quite round. The tricky thing is going to be adapting to a new lifestyle. I was on the atkins diet ages ago and I did well on it but I am not sure if the problems I have now were already present back then. | |
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After every carb meal, your insulin level spikes. With a high carb diet, eating several high carb meals a day, your insulin levels will encounter a lot of peaks and valleys. Seeing as you have excess insulin, a high fat, high protein, low carb diet is the way to go. For a great book on such a diet, read 'The Anabolic Diet' ( Amazon.com: The Anabolic Diet: Mauro Di Pasquale, Mauro DiPasquale: Books ). |
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My only concern is: do I run the risk of my blood sugar dropping too low on a high protein diet? | |
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Your question is complicated by many factors that haven't been covered here yet. How is your overall health? Are you athletic in any way? Your age? Are you overweight by more than 30 lbs? What is your blood type? Do you have any other medium to large health problems? Have you actually been diagnosed as a diabetic? Insulin resistant? Jennifer |
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read this article from Free The Animal Your doctor has probably learned most of what he or she knows from conventional wisdom and what Big Pharma Company sponsored studies have told them. Kind of sick when you see The American Diabetes Association handing out candy and donuts. Read the whole article including the comments. There are some interesting comments, especially from someone that used to work at the ADA. Don't be afraid to ask your doctor where they get their information. If they get offended or can't show you studies, find a new doctor. |
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Are you aware of Blood Type Diet: Scientific Basis and have you considered: many non-fish & non-meats, such as beans? ranking as the #-1 Anti-oxidant food in this list: Top 100 Best Foods For Higher Productivity, as one of your many, more healthy choices. |
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Ironically since I've been diagnosed with pre-diabetes I've been eating more carbs than never on nutritionist advice. I do think my doctor is ahead of others around here, in the sense that no one here I speak to had ever heard of insulin being tested, etc. He looked at my first blood test results and noticed the high-inflammation in the body. Whereas the previous doctor I used for routine tests was puzzled by that, this one sent me for the glucose & insulin curve test (had to drink sugary drink then they took blood out every half an hour for 3 hours to monitor how the body reacted). My doctor did say this was caused by a diet with excess carbs. Now whereas, like I said before, I never mixed bad carbs and protein at one meal I did eat bread and sweets now and again. My doctor suggested that I saw a nutritionist and I did that. It was the nutritionist who then loaded me with carbs. I had 3 days of pure hell on her diet. I had 3-4 hypoglycemia crisis during the day leaving me completly shattered. My blood sugar was going up and then dropping to MINIMUM levels ONE HOUR after eating cereal mixed in a sugar free yogurt for example (I had stopped eating cereals for breakfast ages ago). I went back to the hospital and asked if she could see me for 10minutes, just to make her aware of the situation. She did and I showed her the results of my tests (I now have a finger prick machine to monitor my glucose levels during the day) and it scared the hell out of her. So what did she do? She doubled the carbs dose I'm getting exhausted by all this. Plus, before I exercise I need to eat sports sugar bars (she'd told me to have a small pack of sugar but I find that revolting). If I don't my sugar drops to minimums (first time I did the hour walk on the beach without carbs I was lucky I didn't go into a coma. I kept telling my brain to focus because I could feel it shutting down). I see that protein is the way to go but: - will I be able to exercise without the carbs without putting my health/life at risk? - how do we keep a protein diet when we're not home? (where I live people go to cafés to have bread based stuff and coffee for breakfast not meats). | |
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When I went to lunch today I met the chemist who works that at the pharmacy where I went for my nutrition appointments last year. I told her about how things were, etc. She is going to have a word with my "old" nutriotionist and see if she has any suggestions, etc. That nutritionist gave me a low cal, low carb plan but I was falling apart and not losing weight due to low blood sugar. (Well did lose initially but not afterwards as cals kept on decreasing). | |
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Look at who is giving you advice. If I were just giving you my own "expert" opinion, you would probably want to get a second opinion as you have no clue who I am or what I really know. The same with all the advice others on this board are giving you. Maybe they know what they are talking about, maybe they don't. Even doctors may not be the best source, as most doctor's don't bother researching dietary lifestyles, because "everyone knows, a diet low in fat is the way to go" or the read up on the most easily accessible resources, which are sponsored by pharmaceutical companies. I'm not calling it a conspiracy. I think most doctor's are well intentioned. But, I don't believe it is in the best interest of a pharm company to put out advice that would take away potential customers. It is really hard to know who or what to trust. I don't know if I'm following the best advice out there. I will say that following Mark's advice has been amazing for me. And there is tons and tons of research that backs up what I am experiencing. | |
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| It sounds like you or your doctors or anyone here has never heard of glycemic load or glycemic index. They now know that high calories do not make you fat but the speed that they enter the blood does. Also let's say they give you a poison and you get poisoned, does that mean that you have a disease? Sugar is a poison created by man. Are people good or bad? Should you avoid them or not? What is your answer? Some are good and some are bad. It is the same with carbs and fats. Sugar is a poison and that is why you reacted they way you did. I bet if they gave you agave (a sugar from a cactus) that would not have happened. You need to be eating low glycemic load foods like fruits, vegetables, whole (holy) grains, sprouts, nuts, seeds, beans and fungus. Do not forget the fungus (mushrooms). The high glycmeic load foods are what you love to eat and you are addicted to them. A high protein diet will put you in an early grave. Eat good protein, good carbs and good fats like avocado and olives. See this site, Losing Weight, on how foods can help or hurt you and what to eat. Eat plenty of the above. The nuts, seeds and beans are high protein so eat less of them. Never, ever eat a refined (unholy) grain or food with added sugar again. You are suffering with toxemia. Note the purpose of high glycemic is to cause your blood sugar to go too high and then drop too low by definition just like by definition a murderer murders people and an arsonist sets fires. |
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What do you think about taking raw apple cider vinegar before meals? I know it improves digestion, but apparently it helps to stabilize blood sugar, even with a high carb meal. Vinegar Improves Insulin Sensitivity to a High-Carbohydrate Meal in Subjects With Insulin Resistance or Type 2 Diabetes — Diabetes Care Vinegar As A Sweet Solution? / Science News |
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No wonder I am confused; look at the amount of conflicting information Just a few facts that are true for me (maybe this is where I need to start): Foods I love but make me feel lethargic and have difficulty digesting: - Chick peas; beans; bread; cereals; anything with flour including cakes; potatoes; cous cous; Foods I like that I digest well: - meat; fish; eggs; cheese; salad vegetables such as lettuce, tomatoes, carrots, peppers, etc. nuts, chocolate. Foods I can stand/digest but only in small amounts: - milk, yogurts; Fruit is fine in general but makes me feel hungrier. |
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I would also recommend the blood type diet. For you, vegetarian would be ideal. Vegetarian diets are notably higher in carbs than protein diets, but I believe Atkins would be seriously detrimental to anyone who is a Type A. So what you have to choose is a vegetarian diet that is not based on pasta, corn, wheat, or white rice or potatoes. Choose only fresh fruits that are a bit lower on the glycemic index and fresh vegetables with a lower glycemic index. A Fit For Life diet may be suitable, but avoiding the pasta, corn, white rice, potatoes and wheat would be critical. Jennifer |
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As your body acclimates to a eating the above, you will not have such a roller coaster spike of insulin. You will most likely go through a week or so of adjustment when you do feel lethargic. As your body transitions to using fat for energy instead of carbs, you will be challenged. Don't let it frighten you though. | |
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as erin mentioned before, there are a lot of other sources of protein besides meat, and she mentioned legumes as a good source of protein. however, if you get intestinal problems from eating too many legumes, such as beans, then another great source of protein is dried spirulina seaweed. as far as diet goes, just eat a diet consisting of vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds, whole grains such as oat bran, brown rice or quinoa, dried spirulina seaweed (for protein), and drink plenty of water throughout the day. |
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I have to chime in here as I used to have the same problem. I found out that I was not only insulin resistant but also leptin resistant. Leptin is a hormone that is produced by your white adipose (fat) tissue. It is a signal to your hypothalamus that you are full and have plenty of energy so do not need to store any as fat (for reserves). The hypothalamus gets desensitized to the leptin so never gives you the "I'm full" feeling as well as makes your body think it is starving so it saves everything you eat as fat. There are 5 rules for breaking out of the cycle. What follows is a portion of an article that describes the five rules. I have followed these rules since January 1, 2009 and have lost 60 pounds. Rule 1: Never eat after dinner. Finish eating 3 hours before bedtime. Never go to bed on a full stomach. Allow 11-12 hours between dinner and breakfast. For approximately the first 6-8 hours after eating our evening meal, the body is burning up the calories from that day. The most effective fat burning time (i.e. stored fat in our thighs, bums and tums) is between approximately 8 and 12 hours after eating. If we have a little snack before bedtime, or have our evening meal too late, the leptin tells the brain that no energy is required, and no fat burning will occur in the latter part of the night. So that little snack, however healthy it may have been, puts paid to any fat-burning that night. Rule 2: Eat 3 meals per day. Allow 5-6 hours between meals. Do Not Snack. During the first three hours after a meal, insulin is in charge of storing the calories from the food we have eaten. During this time we are not in 'fat-burning mode'. Even low-calorie snacks stimulate insulin release. If you find it too difficult to wait 5 hours before eating, then you can start this plan by eating four meals per day, instead of three. In time, with regular exercise added, you will more and more often be able to leave 5 hours between meals. The most important time is the night-time 11-12 hour fat-burning interval. Children and teenagers of normal weight, athletes and bodybuilders will probably need to eat more often than three times per day. However, try to avoid unhealthy snacks or fizzy drinks. Rule 3: Do not eat large meals. The idea behind this is to not give the body more fuel than it can use. Regular large meals leads to leptin and insulin resistance. One of the best techniques for reducing the size of meals is to eat slowly and chew really well. It takes the brain ten minutes to realise you are full. If you really can't slow down, then put down your knife and fork for 5 minutes when you've eaten about half your food. Don't feel you have to 'clean your plate' if you have had enough - you becoming overweight and unhealthy doesn't help anyone. Rule 4: Eat a high-protein breakfast. This keeps the body in a calorie-burning mode. Eating a protein breakfast supports blood sugar levels so that late afternoon energy crashes are minimised. These energy crashes are often the result of eating a breakfast with too many carbohydrates and very little protein. If you eat a high carbohydrate breakfast, and are leptin resistant, you are more likely to overeat generally, but particularly at night. Rule 5: Reduce the amount of carbohydrate eaten. This does NOT mean cutting out all, or virtually all, carbohydrates. We do need carbohydrates to maintain health. However, eating too many carbohydrates at lunchtime may cause you to be ravenously hungry before dinner, tempting you to break rule 3 (no snacking). Byron and Mary Richards recommend a ratio of 50/50. That is, a palm sized portion of protein, and the same amount of starch. In other words, meat, fish, egg or vegetable protein the size of your palm, could be matched with an equal amount of rice, bread, potato, fruit or dessert. Along with this, eat as many vegetables as you like, but go easy with the peas, corn and cooked carrots. You can easily check whether you're eating too many carbohydrates. Weigh yourself first thing in the morning, and again at bedtime. If, at bedtime, you weigh more than 2 pounds over your morning weight, and you followed Rules 1-4 during the day, then you've eaten too many carbohydrates that day. article is from this website that I found when I browsed for "leptin 5 rules" Health and Nutrition Article - The Five Rules for Mastering Leptin - The Hunger Hormone |
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Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply and explain your points of view and experiences. Everything that has been said actually reflects the enormous amount of information that's available to us nowadays and how difficult it is to "get it right". The situation is similar if we visit our doctors: often we may be confronted with different views (depending on the doctor) or be given solutions that we know won't fit our condition because we tried and tested it with no results. Saying that, it is very important to always start with your doctor to diagnose whatever condition you may have and then take it from there. I consider today to be my day one. I might start a blog on it so I can record the progress, set backs, etc. My body fat today read at 47.5% which is quite scary. It's interesting to note that I have so little fat in my diet and yet it went up 2,5 points. Not to mention I've been walking miles. I had 50g approx. of wholemeal bread with black tea this morning and a tiny bit of milk and felt bloated. Mid morning, about half an hour ago, I had fried egg with cheese and ham. The fried egg is part of an experiment (I'm my own guinea pig now Let's see what my body does with the protein... |
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You can only show a blood type A the door..they have to choose to walk through it. Eat Right For Your Type :: The Official Blood Type Diet Site Jennifer |
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It sounds like you may have reactive hypoglycemia. This is by far the best information source about Reactive Hypoglycemia information on the web: Reactive Hypoglycemia Info The author is an academic who actually has the disorder, and she researches the topics very thoroughly to discover where all the conflicting information comes from. She writes really clearly, and gives straight answers and advice. I'm on her mailing list, and I know she's coming out with a book on the subject very soon, and she already has a cookbook for people with blood sugar problems. You can probably shoot her an e-mail to find out when the book comes out -- I've read some of the chapters she's passed out to her subscribers and it's amazing. It's so clear and well-researched. I feel confident, based on what I've already read, and based on her track record, saying that it'll be the single best hypoglycemia book in the world when it comes out. Good luck! |
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I must confess that despite my best intentions to follow a high protein, low carb diet I had to go out and blood sugar was fine, around 94 half an hour after a protein meal (mackarel and sardines with salad). Then when I was at the supermarket all of a sudden I felt everything spin around me and only had time to reach for the sugar bars I carry with me. I couldn't even shop for meat because just the thought was making me want to puke. | |
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this site is good, but what she writes is more or less just proper nutrition, eat natural complex carbs, not processed or refined, and eat it in moderate amounts, the suggestions are excellent, but it is not a breakthrough Reactive Hypoglycemia Info if Susanna77, you do have this disorder, then you just have to eat natural, unprocessed carbs, especially the ones that have a lot of soluble fiber. Soluble fiber helps to stabilize blood sugar following a meal. Soluble fiber is found in oats, barley, most fruits and vegetables, flaxseed, and psyllium. if you use a moderate nutrient ratio, like 50-30-20, and with the natural complex carbs consume lean protein, and good dietary fat, everything should be okay, just do not use any kind of fad diet or low calorie approach |
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But I like that you say walking is so good because that doesn't bore me. I walk on the beach so it's both relaxing and stimulating. | ||
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