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03-13-2010, 08:13 PM
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15.6 days now and everything continues to go smoothly. An observation... In my previous fast at this stage i found myself in unchartered territory so i really wasn't sure what i might encounter as i proceeded... and as such wasn't sure if i was going to make it past 16 days. Truly i was taking it one day at a time. This time around, having gone 30 days 9 months ago, i am completely at peace and at rest that achieving completion again should be no major challenge. Thus in that sense this fast is a bit easier than the previous, and the idea of fasting another 15 days or so is really not at all daunting as it was the last time around. Nevertheless, i am taking this fast one day at a time as well. I have been resting profoundly, most of the day laying down reading and such... and as a result i am more light-headed and weak than in the previous fast where i walked briskly 2 hours per day. To me, these symptoms are evidense of a deeper (more aggressive cleanse). Naturally I can get up and walk, just have to take it slow each time, sitting before standing. In the past week i have been taking advantage of already being up, already with a raised heart rate by doing my 2-3 gentle minutes on the mini- trampoline. This has been averaging about 2-3 times per day over the past 7 days. Heart rate still high, not much change there as yet. It is said that the body focuses primarily on eliminating toxins before it focuses primarily on healing, so perhaps the final 10 days or so will provide a lot of healing to my heart. What i know is that i am doing my part by resting as much as possible. I don't know what my blood pressure was pre-heart injury and hadn't tested it in years, but i very much believed it was healthy. In any case i found myself in Sams Club and Walmart a few days ago, both of which have free testing, and the average was about 111/77... so it's nice to know that high BP has not become another factor in my heart injury. Still no bowel activity since day 8.7, though there have been rumblings which made me believe something might happen. Really excited about what will happen there next. drinking only to thirst and averaging about 4 cups of distilled water each day. Peeing a medium or sometimes a med-darkish color about 2-3 times per day. Each time i drink water it is a tantalizing treat to my dry mouth.  The final mystery is in when genuine hunger will return. I have a pretty strong feeling it will be more than 30 days this time around. Last edited by MightySunTzu; 03-13-2010 at 08:20 PM. |
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03-15-2010, 05:58 PM
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03-20-2010, 05:01 PM
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Yesterday was a pretty tough day for me because i was forced to drive a distance and conquor several essential errands. By the time i got home it was amazing to be able to lay down, something i intend to do the entire weekend. I was in several different banks and when i was walking very slowly and weakly i saw my reflection a couple times and saw a feeble, slumping shadow of myself  . Voice has been weak since about day 6 as the body conserves its energies for maximal cleansing and healing. Aside from having to tax myself yesterday, i have truly been coasting along on this fast, feeling weak but fine, and today i am right back to that, laying down 23 hours per day. Feeling more hunger this time then i recall in the last fast. I believe the brisk walking last time around not only slowed the detox, but masked certain symptoms including feelings of hunger, not to mention feelings of weakness. I really believe my heart is in the process of being healed. It has improved some, but still has a long way to go. The heart rate has gone down about 5 beats per minute since i began to monitor it at around day 5 or so, but that's only 5 out of the needed 20-25. I don't believe i had high blood pressure at any point, but interestingly that has gone down fairly substantially. I didn't check it before day 11, but... On day 11 it was 111/77 and on day 22 it was 95/67. Eagerly anticipating the day i can eat, but patiently awaiting a healed heart and the return of genuine hunger first. Last edited by MightySunTzu; 03-20-2010 at 05:09 PM. |
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03-21-2010, 04:09 AM
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I meant to add earlier, at 22.9 days my weight is (drum roll please)...... : 154 Having started at 182, this means 28 pounds of something is off my body, but what? Any guesses?... Anyone?... Buhler? In my best estimate, this weight loss consists of about: 1 pound of muscle or protein type tissue including dead or diseased cells and tissue... to say it another way, the very worst of it. 8 pounds of fat (primary fuel source over the past 21 days or so in ketosis) and 19 pounds of water (and... intestinal contents). Since the 19 pounds of water will be back on my body within about 2 weeks of breaking the fast, i consider my "real" weight to be 173 (154+19) and at 154 i consider myself to be 19 pounds artificially thin today. I expect the one pound of muscle to be back on my body within a month of breaking. So if i ended the fast today (which i won't) i would probably be at about 174 or 175 a month later. By the time i am done, we could be looking at about 170 which would probably put me at about 9% body fat, something i am indeed happy with. Last edited by MightySunTzu; 03-21-2010 at 05:53 AM. |
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03-22-2010, 06:56 PM
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| 24.5 days now with continued smooth sailing. Having a lot of hunger issues however this time around that were all but absent in the previous fast, nothing that can't be resisted, but certainly makes it a bit more challenging. When my belly starts to rumble, i always wonder if a bm is next, but so far since, was it day 14?, there has been no such activity. No worries here, it will all come out when it's ready, even if that means i have to await the breaking of the fast. Fed ex dropped off a water distiller a couple of days ago, so i have been satisfying thirst with fresh home distilled water, about 4 cups per day. Heart still seems to be getting better at a gradual pace. Resting profoundly and feeling weak but otherwise fine. One of the great benefits of fasting to completion is that i can be back to my normal eating very quickly rather than easing out with a week or more of juice then a week or more with fruits/vegetables. By contrast, with genuine hunger and a raging digestive system ready for action, i would expect to juice for about a day, then have fruits/vegetables for about a day. I will continue to have high amounts of these foods (about 70-80% of my normal diet), but it's nice to be free to safely eat other healthy foods as well. Really curious how long this fast will go. Believing i can go 50 days taking it one easy day at a time if hunger makes me wait that long, but i would prefer for my heart to heal completely and for my body to achieve completion long before this. Last edited by MightySunTzu; 03-22-2010 at 07:04 PM. |
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03-22-2010, 11:38 PM
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Hello! I see you are still in fasting mode. The mention of fifty days floors me! I guess your body will dictate when the cleanse is complete. I'm a day shy of a week with nothing eventfull to share. Continued healing to that heart of yours! |
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03-22-2010, 11:50 PM
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. er... did i say 50 days? Once i got up from lying down today and doing things including taking an epsom salt bath, i felt substantially weaker than in any day previous... so now 50 days seems quite daunting. Truly as i said before, my hope is to reach completion many days before that. If i keep feeling like this, each day will not be nearly so easy as the previous 24. Hopefully it is something very temporary and i'll be feeling a lot better tomorrow.
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03-23-2010, 12:33 AM
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 I know, when you're feeling too drained to go up a flight of stairs, it's hard to take comfort in that. Or however the weakness is effecting you. Hopefully you will be feeling better tomorrow. | |
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03-23-2010, 12:51 AM
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 . Well a part of me is and the weakness in itself is not so overwhelming to bear, but i have kind of a sicky feeling in my belly that makes it tough... Not quite nausia, but seems to be near to that. It took me a little while to realize that was my biggest issue because it's been visiting for a short time and leaving until now. A bm would sure be nice, but as i said before i'm not going to force it. I am going to view this as some kind of healing crisis and believe that i will get through it and feel better soon. Quote:
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03-23-2010, 01:46 AM
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03-23-2010, 02:26 PM
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I think I got my forums mixed up! I tell you, it rather frightened me to think of you fasting such a length unsupervised. Hope today finds you rested; I myself sometimes forget that component. Running some minor chores turns exhausting! Much to my surprise I had a bowel movement last night. I suppose that is a good thing. Looking forward to your progress and praying for your complete healing, as health is so very, very precious. Good day my friend! | |
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03-23-2010, 05:00 PM
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. Actually yesterday found me rested too except for walking to the bath and emerging from the bath and walking back upstairs. While i was bathing, that was exceptionally restful too . The belly disturbance that emerged seems to be completely unrelated to that... it began mildly before this, then worsened to the near point of nausia by the time i went to sleep last night. Still having issues with it this morning. Quote:
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03-27-2010, 03:08 AM
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I had an interesting crisis for a solid 48 hours from day 24 to day 26 and at 26 days (bedtime) i promised myself i could break the fast in the morning if i still felt like it. In fact that night, i was believing there was a 90% chance that i would. My colon was very gassy and uncomfortable and i was nearly but not quite nausiated and extremely hungry much of the time (but not genuine hunger). As well i was exceedingly weak. Thankfully i woke up at 26.3 days feeling substantially better and was able to continue in the fast. So at this moment I have completed 28.9 days and i am basically continuing to take it one day at a time. So close to 30 days, i believe this is now my minimum goal assuming genuine hunger does not arise before this... and... once i reach 30 days, i may decide to break the fast, there or perhaps at 30.5 days since most of that extra half day will be gained while sleeping. In my previous fast i felt the same way (wanting to break the fast at 30 days whether genuine hunger was reached or not) and was greatly blessed by a genuine hunger that arose at 29 days and 16 hours. I can only hope that this will happen again, because deep within my heart i am ready to break this fast and would greatly prefer to break it with a raging digestive system rather than one that needs to be nursed along 7 times slower. In reassessing my goals anew each day, there is also the chance that i continue for an unknown number of days past 30.5, one day at a time. The reason i would break it before genuine hunger is that i really don't know how long that might take... perhaps even 50 days or so because i believe my nutritional reserves are considerably stronger this time than the last and that i am conserving them more carefully... and contrary to what i said earlier, which i already retracted, i don't believe i would like to go all the way to 50 days, prefering to re-nourish myself with exceedingly healthy foods and to allow the next fast in a few months to continue the great work that is being done. I am nice and hungry and greatly excited about getting some healthy and delicious foods back into my system starting with live raw mostly organic juices. Last edited by MightySunTzu; 03-27-2010 at 06:06 AM. |
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03-27-2010, 04:38 AM
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I tolerated it for 48 hours and enough was enough. The incessant severe hunger over the 48 hours was perhaps the most unbearable symptom. I'm really happy it ceased because i really didn't want to stop before 30 days. Quote:
but... after 30 days of taste deprivation, there's nothing quite like juicing for a day then adding whole fruits and vegetables on day 2, then adding some nuts and raw salmon on day 3 ... all while continuing with juices and fruits and vegetables. Only with a return to genuine hunger is this a safe and healthy way to break a 30 day fast. So if i must go with option one, i will make the most of it and enjoy it immensely. But i can't conceal the fact that i am praying for option 2 . In any case, if i want to drink juice in 25 or 37 hours, i have my full blessing, so this is a truly exciting thought. Last edited by MightySunTzu; 03-27-2010 at 09:34 PM. | ||
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03-27-2010, 01:42 PM
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Nowadays with professional fasters, they are trying to help people with health problems and do not worry about true hunger since it can take a really long time. Also I am still trying to understand breatharians and am wondering if Jericho Sunfire went a year without eating or drinking anything. When Arnold Ehret did his 40+ day fast on a tropical island, he sunbathed around 2 to 3 hours a day around noon. Have you done any reading of Dr Bernarr Zovluck (DC) who no longer uses his last name? I ask this since he says that all fasters do it wrong since they do not rest the entire day. Actually he is not talking about reading as resting. He is talking about lying all day with eyes closed. I guess he does not know about the experiments with sensory deprivation. If you are perfect then you have no problems but if you have small problems they can cause a lot of problems with short times of sensory deprivation. I do not know if his idea of resting includes sunbathing during a fast. I do know that he says that if it were not for financial and practical reasons, he would sunbathe all day (he lives in Southern CA where it is warm all year). I do not know where you wrote about what happened to your heart. Could you provide a link to your post. I mention on my page about neck and back problems how I broke a vertabrae at 17 that has caused chronic problems. I just learned yesterday that my friend in Paris, France who is a 16 year old girl, is having back pain and headaches. She did not fall around 6 feet like I did. She jumped off of a 5th floor balcony at age 14 to try to kill herself. She hit her head on the balcony and landed on the sidewalk breaking an arm, a leg and 2 ribs. She then went into a coma for 2 days. |
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03-27-2010, 08:10 PM
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03-27-2010, 10:35 PM
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| 29.7 days. Gearing up for breaking what will likely be an "uncompleted" fast. 30 days is reached in about 6.5 hours and there is a strong chance i will break it exactly at that time. If not then, there is an even greater chance that i will break it the next morning. In preparation for this moment, i was at a health food store about 2 days ago and i am ready to juice such mostly organic foods as: Carrots, celery, beets, ginger, garlic, red onion, grapefruit, apples, and various types of squash. I didn't buy any green leafy's or other high perishables because i had no idea when i would be breaking the fast, so i will likely go back within a day or two for such superfoods as spinach, romaine lettuce, kale, colllards, swiss chard and bok choy as well as tomatos, broccoli, asparagus, bell peppers, chili peppers, grapes, blueberries, and strawberries among others. Before going to the store i will wait to see if i reach genuine hunger prior to breaking the fast since this will change my dietary strategy substantially. Planning also to take Intramax (phenomenal overall nutritional supplement), heart supplements, a great intestinal flora and to enjoy herbal teas with honey. Not sure the extent to which my heart is healed. Will have a better idea once i begin juicing, but my sense is that it has healed substantially but not completely. Planning soon (after some refeeding) to get some thorough testing done as well as a complete physical work up. What i am confident of is that my body is fantastically cleaner of toxins of all kinds, my blood, liver, pancreas, kidneys, bowels and other organs are substantially healthier, my immune system is supercharged, my arteries have less plaque, triglicerides and bad cholesterol, a persistent and enduring sore shoulder is no longer sore, i have burned about 9 or 10 pounds of actual fat, and my desire to eat for health is at an all time high. |
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03-28-2010, 04:37 AM
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24 minutes and counting down. Still haven't decided which juice to break with, but i'm thinking a tablespoon of half strength juice, then 2 tablespoons 5 minutes later and 4 tablespoons 5 minutes after that. Hmm... Carrot? Carrot/beet/celery/ginger? Grapefruit? Apple? Pear? I think i just narrowed it down to a mono for added digestive simplicity. Now leaning towards Carrot, Grapefruit, or Apple. I'll let you know when i know. |
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03-28-2010, 05:31 AM
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| 30 days and broke the fast with live organic apple juice. I first decided on carrot juice, smelled a carrot and it seemed like it would be less agreeable at this delicate stage. The apple juice is amazing. By tomorrow i'll be enjoying carrots and everything else. |
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03-28-2010, 08:29 PM
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The most recent movement of the bowels had been at 8.7 days. Not 1 hour 20 minutes after the first sips of juice, the colon was ready to give way. Lots of very loose stool and a lot of what is basically dark toxin-laden water. I am enjoying a thunder storm in my colon this morning as it is being awakened by the live juices. I expect this to settle down a lot within another day or two. This really is quite a different experience from the 30 day fast to completion where the colon was not in need of such a gradual re-emergence and was thus ready to go. Live Juices enjoyed thus far: Apple, pear, quince, grapefruit, live coconut water. Might be ready for carrot juice by tonight. The coconut water is something i tasted for the very first time in my life this morning and was prompted to try it by reading Yogi's posts. Extraordinarily nutritious from the research i have done and i enjoyed the quickly aquired taste. The excitement in being able to drink juices is exceedingly high . Looking forward to more grapefruit juice next.Anticipating about 7.5 total days of juice alone (predominately raw, some cooked, some herbal tea) with perhaps a few sneaky bites of whole fruit. Last edited by MightySunTzu; 03-28-2010 at 08:38 PM. |
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03-29-2010, 11:50 PM
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Breaking a 30 day "uncompleted" fast is tough. The extent to which we need to ease out gradually is tremendous. I am being reminded of what i already know and adjusting as i go. The initial breaking of the fast went quite well as i broke with tablespoon of the live organic apple juice mixed with a tablespoon of water, followed up in 5 minutes with twice that amount, then in 5 more minutes with triple the original portion. The rest of that evening until i went to sleep it felt fine to continue having more and more juice. My body felt a little bit wiped out, even in just digesting that little bit of juice, but at the same time i felt stronger as i began to ease out of the deepest level of detox. The next day i crossed the line and paid a price. Started with about 10 ounces (.6 liter) of Grapefruit juice which was excellent. Moved on about an hour later to 20 ounces which also felt great and about an hour after that i had 30. Even that felt fine, but in retrospect my portions were probably becomming too large too soon. In the next "meal", i opened up a coconut and drank the water that was inside, which was about 12 ounces, and a short time later had about 20 more ounces of grapefruit juice. Since this all felt fine to that point, this is where i did something i knew i shouldn't, but i was so strongly compelled i allowed it to happen anyway. There were some raisons that looked so tempting and though i shouldn't have had any of these probably for 10 more days, i just had to taste one. One led to 2 and by the time i forced myself to stop i had eaten about 30 or 40 of them. As a side note, if i had grapes or cherries i probably would have had those instead which would have been a lesser violation, but dangerous nonetheless). To most anybody, these raisons would be completely harmless, but to someone who had just come off of 30 days with water-only and no return to genuine hunger, this bogged me down fantastically... and made me feel weaker than i felt even while fasting... and then sickly. Fortunately there was no pain or anything too severe, but it made me feel so lousy that i was not compelled to have any food or water for the next 18 hours and laid in bed the entire time. After the 18 hours i was able to get up and have some herbal tea with a little honey and afterwards a small amount of grapefruit juice, only 5 ounces. I could have had more, but i am re-committed to the idea of easing out with extreme caution and moderation since my goal is to feel amazing, which i know i will with the right amount of juice and with nothing else. I will have the next small portion when i feel hungry for it. I offer this as a warning to others. There is a valid reason to have a good "easing out gradually" plan and to stick to it. Your digestive system has been deep in slumber and really does need to allowed to emerge gradually, at it's own pace, not one we try to force on it. The problem with a raison or even a grape is not so much the one raison or grape, but that it is so delicious and exciting to someone who hasn't eaten in 30 days that it is exceedingly hard to stop yourself at one. All the more reason not to eat an almond or a piece of salmon. If you maintain a strict boundary that only juice can be taken and hold to it patiently for the pre-determined number or range of days (ie: "at least 5 days, maybe 9 depending on how i feel"), it can absolutely prevent this kind of unpleasant incident. So thankfully for me i feel it was only a minor setback and i am back on track, expecting to hold myself strictly to another 6 days or so of juice alone before introducing whole fruits and vegetables. So from this quote: Quote:
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