Beautiful Fast

[Amandaaa]

Thank you for answering all of my questions so thoroughly!

I think it's a matter of finding things your enjoy doing and peacefully settling in for the long journey with a great abundance of patience.

^There was something very soothing and reassuring about the way that you said that. It's good to hear from somebody who's actually done this and completed it the right way.


...And you're probably right about the tea thing: it's not ideal. I guess I'll just cut down on the amount of chai tea I'm drinking, and use that to slowly ease into the fast over a couple days. But it would probably be best if I was consuming mostly just plain (distilled) water. That sounds so much cleaner.

I feel astonishingly good, not unlike a man walking on clouds.

^That's the feeling I'm going for! Can you be my coach for the next 30-40 days? (I'll pay you? ) (Please?)


Haha.

[Dilman]

I have read all of this thread, and I'm extremely interested in fasting. I decided this morning spontaneously to do a three day fast, which I'm currently nine hours in to.

Anyway, I'm taking an acne medication, minocycline, for moderate acne on my back, and I was wondering, should I stop taking this during my fast? I'm supposed to take it twice a day on an empty stomach. Does anyone know if it would interfere with the detox process?

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by Dilman

I have read all of this thread, and I'm extremely interested in fasting. I decided this morning spontaneously to do a three day fast, which I'm currently nine hours in to.

Anyway, I'm taking an acne medication, minocycline, for moderate acne on my back, and I was wondering, should I stop taking this during my fast? I'm supposed to take it twice a day on an empty stomach. Does anyone know if it would interfere with the detox process?

Hi Dilman,

Hmm. Generally speaking, it is advisable to discontinue most medications while fasting (with several notable and potentially critical exceptions) and i believe your acne medication would fall into the "should probably discontinue" category.

However, since it is an anti-biotic i know it is not a good idea to interrupt the "course", so therein lies the caviat and the paradox. To dig a little deeper into the puzzle, fasting would likely do an excellent work on the acne and would probably be more effective than the medication, though 3 days may or may not be long enough to make a significant impact.

With all that said and speaking only for myself, if i decided spontaneously to fast for 3 days and was already 9 hours in, i would discontinue the minocycline... and would hope upon 3 days to be so excited with the results i am seeing that i would choose to continue longer.

Best wishes to you in whatever you decide.

[MightySunTzu]

Hi Amanda ,

Originally Posted by Amandaaa

Thank you for answering all of my questions so thoroughly!

My pleasure .

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

Hmm. I think it's a matter of finding things you enjoy doing and peacefully settling in for the long journey with a great abundance of patience. It is exceedingly helpful if you are in a place where you love the idea of reaching your goal and enjoying the phenomenal benefits more than you love the idea of breaking the fast... no doubt we will love both ideas, but which will we love more? Once you become "anxious" to break the fast, it can only make it tougher. For me, I spent 80% of my time in the mountains, did a lot of reading, enjoyed some very warm baths [while] listening to my favorite radio programs, and visited with people the other 20% of the time. I had an exceedingly patient attitude about breaking the fast. Each day it was an exciting prospect, but i knew i could postpone that pleasure and enjoy it soon enough.

Originally Posted by Amandaaa

There was something very soothing and reassuring about the way that you said that. It's good to hear from somebody who's actually done this and completed it the right way.

As i received reassurance from others before me . Very happy to have been able to help.

Originally Posted by Amandaaa

...And you're probably right about the tea thing: it's not ideal. I guess I'll just cut down on the amount of chai tea I'm drinking, and use that to slowly ease into the fast over a couple days. But it would probably be best if I was consuming mostly just plain (distilled) water. That sounds so much cleaner.

Distilled is the purest, cleanest water. It is the water that our body is made up of. It is the water that is inside our fruits and vegetables. As an added benefit, it does not contain minerals, so it is far more absorptive of toxins than non-distilled water since minerals in water impede the water's ability to pull the toxins in for elimination.

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

I feel astonishingly good, not unlike a man walking on clouds.

Originally Posted by Amandaaa

That's the feeling I'm going for! Can you be my coach for the next 30-40 days? (I'll pay you? ) (Please?) Haha.

Certainly. I am happy to help in any way i can .

[rajagiri3]

fasting its really good i like fasting.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by Dilman

I have read all of this thread, and I'm extremely interested in fasting. I decided this morning spontaneously to do a three day fast, which I'm currently nine hours in to.

Anyway, I'm taking an acne medication, minocycline, for moderate acne on my back, and I was wondering, should I stop taking this during my fast? I'm supposed to take it twice a day on an empty stomach. Does anyone know if it would interfere with the detox process?

Joel Fuhrman, M.D. is considered the expert faster in the country. When Dr Oz (Oprah's doctor) had someone very obese, he sent them to Dr Fuhrman. This page on Fasting says that you should not fast if your are taking any medications (from Dr Fuhrman's book). It presents dangers like over-dosing on a medication.

So his advice is to get your doctor to let you stop while you fast or do not fast. For people with serious problems they can fast under the supervision of a doctor which is what he recommends for everyone anyway. This is his advice. Since I am not a doctor, I cannot give medical advice. He says that fasting interacts with some medications.

The site above explains how a lady did the lemonade diet from reading my fasting site and she monitored her blood pressure and lowered her medication slowly as her blood pressure got down. She did get to the point where she stopped taking all medication (while on lemonade diet) and she had a low blood pressure like that of a 16 year old. Common sense would say to consult the guy who has you on it. If you put yourself on it, then consult yourself.

[CroMagna]

I'm on antidepressant medication. Do you think it would be safe to fast? I talked to my psychiatrist about it and he gave me the go-ahead. He just sent me to get bloodwork to check for diabetes. But a second opinion would be appreciated.

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Common sense would say to consult the guy who has you on it. If you put yourself on it, then consult yourself.

At face value, it would seem so... but how many western physicians, experts in prescribing pills and removing organs are open to the benefits of fasting in the first place? Sometimes, therefore, in complete defiance of conventional common sense, one is better off consulting oneself .

[MightySunTzu]

Hi CroMagna,

Originally Posted by CroMagna

I'm on antidepressant medication. Do you think it would be safe to fast? I talked to my psychiatrist about it and he gave me the go-ahead. He just sent me to get bloodwork to check for diabetes. But a second opinion would be appreciated.

Anti-depressant medication is actually one particular example of something to be very careful about. I would think discontinuing that medication to fast would be quite risky. You are saying that your psychiatrist recommends that you fast, but continue taking the medication, correct?

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

I'm on antidepressant medication. Do you think it would be safe to fast? I talked to my psychiatrist about it and he gave me the go-ahead. He just sent me to get bloodwork to check for diabetes. But a second opinion would be appreciated.

You can ask him if he can stop your drugging so that you can fast. Also ask if there is a chance overdosing on it. Fasting on drugs is similar to drinking alcohol on an empty stomach. Food leesens the effects of drugs like alcohol. Of course if he says you can fast, GET IT IN WRITING! You or your relatives might need this for a lawsuit. I am not a lawyer so I cannot give legal advice.

[ginkgo]

Due to this fast and a 40 day fast I will stress on my webpage that people should do a long fast under professional supervision. My webpage has a list of professional fasters around the country.

[MightySunTzu]

Hey Ginkgo,

I am planning to fast again soon and as i was looking back on this thread i noticed that you had made some interesting comments to which i had yet to respond...

Originally Posted by ginkgo

You could have rounded it out to 30 days since it was hours away from it.

Hmm. I just couldn't, but i understand what you're saying. 30 days was just too nice and round a number for me to stop short of it once i was that close. If I had stopped at 29 days and 16 hours, even though it rounds to 30, i just couldn't have been quite as satisfied with it .

Originally Posted by ginkgo

I never heard of breaking a fast with cooked food.

I actually broke it with raw juice, but then later had some cooked tomato juice and onion juice (broth) as well.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Did your tongue clear when you had genuine hunger? Sometimes the body needs food even though it is not done cleaning out stuff.

It did not, my genuine hunger arrived not because i was completely done cleansing my body, but because i ran low on something my body could no longer provide from its reserves.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Also with real hunger, you can start eating again instead of converting to a juice fast.

You are absolutely right about this and in this fast i experienced the difference. In breaking my 10 day fast, whole fruits and vegetables were too much too soon... and made me feel digestively bogged down... whereas juice-only made me feel great. but in this fast, since it went to completion, my body was ready for more than juice very very early. In a system that had returned to "Genuine hunger" there was no way i was going to be able to go 7 days of juice-only as i had planned. With juice alone, i kept feeling a return to genuine hunger over and over again... and i needed to eat whole foods that i might out-run it .

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Just like Dr Shelton gave enemas to 6,000 fasters before he stopped, the hygenists had learned that it is better to break the fast with solid food, instead of juice, like a half an orange every 2 hours...

Good analogy here . I think what it comes down to is that when a fast goes to completion, the body is more ready for solid foods than when a fast does not. In my own experience, whole fruits and vegetables too early in the process of breaking "uncompleted fasts", made me feel bogged down, where juice alone made me feel amazingly good. I didn't need "juices alone" for very long before whole fruits and vegetables made me feel amazingly good also, but i did need to transition through them. By contrast, i suspect that in this "completed fast" (ie: return to genuine hunger), my body was ready for the whole fruits immediately.

But back to fasts where a return to genuine hunger has not been achieved (ie: all but only one of my fasts), if i was able to have a half an orange every two hours, i'm sure that would have been fine... but in my own case, while it is easy to avoid digestively over-taxing myself with any quantity of juice, it has been quite difficult to be disciplined enough in the area of resisting the quantity of fruit and vegetables my body, heart, mind, and soul desire upon breaking the fast. i would eat that half orange and want 3 more halves in the same meal... and at that point, it would be too much and i would be bogged down. Juices to me are therefore the safest way to go in terms of breaking a fast and not inviting more digestive challenge than we are ready for too soon... truly a digestively simple bridgeway into whole fruits and vegetables which are digestively simple relative to other foods, but digestively complicated compared to juice.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Also Arnold Ehret says that fast is really broken when you have your first bowel movement which solid food helps with.

In my own experience in this 30 day fast, i had only raw, then cooked juices before bed and woke up to 3 morning bms (after 19 days without the slightest movement). No solid food whatsoever led to this delightful release. At least in my case, the juice alone seemed to re-engage peristalsis in all of its glory.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

Hey Ginkgo,

In my own experience in this 30 day fast, i had only raw, then cooked juices before bed and woke up to 3 morning bms (after 19 days without the slightest movement). No solid food whatsoever led to this delightful release. At least in my case, the juice alone seemed to re-engage peristalsis in all of its glory.

The colon works better than ever after a vacation. I think that the idea of eating solid food after a fast is dependent on the use of enemas. If someone uses enemas to wash out everything during the fast than there is nothing solid in the colon to come out. But if no enema is used then there is stuff that is waiting to come out.

Before the world wide web, Chet Day had newsletters and he would interview natural hygienists. In one he brought up the enema and then gave quotes from different sources to show that there was a lot of disagreement.

During my last fast, I had no intention of using an enema. But on the 4th day I did not like feeling that stuff just sitting in there. So I took enemas until there was no stuff in the colon left. Now I could have kept that stuff in there until the fast was over and it would come out as soon as I broke the fast.

But I did not like it in there so I took it out. So then for me to have a bowel movement I would need to have something in there that I would get from solid food.

Also if you have seen the following anywhere, please let me know. But I have never read that while you fast, peristalsis stops. Under normal conditions it never stops. But I concluded that it does stop during a fast.

When I did a fast with no enema, I would have no need for an evacuation (BM) during the fast. But then when I would break my fast and start eating, sometimes I had to evacuate before I finished eating. Now the waste from that meal takes many hours before it can come out.

So I concluded that the waste from before the fast would sit in there and not need to come out since there is no peristalsis. Then when I start eating, the peristalsis begins again and then I need to evacuate. Also it works much better than it did before the fast.

Also here is an interesting thing about English. If you fast for 3 days and then go 1 hour into the 4th day and break your fast, then you did not fast for 4 days. But you did break your fast on the 4th day of your fast. So if you were to break your fast after 29 days and 16 hours then you cannot say that you did a 30 day fast unless you round it up. But you could say that you broke your fast on the 30th day of it.

Here is another one like that. How many years are there between 1 BC and 1 AD. There is 1 year between them. There is no 0 BC or AD. In fact if it is 1 BC and 1 day, then you are on the 1 AD year.

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Before the world wide web, Chet Day had newsletters and he would interview natural hygienists. In one he brought up the enema and then gave quotes from different sources to show that there was a lot of disagreement.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

During my last fast, I had no intention of using an enema. But on the 4th day I did not like feeling that stuff just sitting in there. So I took enemas until there was no stuff in the colon left. Now I could have kept that stuff in there until the fast was over and it would come out as soon as I broke the fast.

Originally Posted by ginkgo

But I did not like it in there so I took it out. So then for me to have a bowel movement I would need to have something in there that I would get from solid food.

Before this most recent fast and before arriving upon my current position in this matter, i would take 2 enemas per day 12 hours apart in my fasts to (in my belief) hasten and maximize the elimination of toxins. I no longer practice this, nor do i believe it is the best way, but I actually do agree with what you are saying... there is something nice about the idea of reasonably emptying the colon in the first couple of days before settling in for a long fast. I do believe that the majority of natural hygienists would disagree with us though.

Riddle me this. I actually, feeling as you did and with competing ideas in my head, took an enema around day 7 and day 14 before deciding once and for all to "mind my own business and let the bowels mind theirs". Why then with no intake of solid food (only juices the night before) did i have 3 bms 17 days later?... or for that matter why did i have bms on day 10 and 11 after a day 7 enema?

In any case, i believe my plan for the next fast will be to use enemas in day 2 and 3 to clear out the majority of whatever may be there before abstaining from them throughout the remainder of the fast... unless i decide between now and then to do none at all.

[ginkgo]

Before Dr Shelton, there was Arnold Ehret. The body can have a great deal of mucus in it that it dumps into the colon. Have you ever seen a lot of stuff in the toilet that looks like jellyfish? Also a lot of bacteria grows in the colon and that comes out in the toilet.

I have read about people having to evacuate waste during a fast but it never happened to me. You cannot evacuate waste if there is no peristalsis. So maybe no one ever said that peristalsis can stop during a fast because it does not except in me.

Maybe if I was examined by anthropologists they would find that I descended from a race of humans that died out. The theory of enzymes is that you need them to digest the food you eat and if you cook the food, it does not supply those enzymes so the body needs to use one that it has stored but then they can be used up.

That is the theory but no one has ever heard of the following that happens to me. I was eating at a health food restaurant 5 days a week. I would eat my 5 favorite dinners (cooked food) each week. So I was eating the same meal once a week. After a year of this I could not eat those foods anymore. I lost all taste for them. So then I would have to eat specials on the menu that they do not usually have.

But with raw fruit, I can eat the same fruit every night and not get tired of it. Also many years back I lived next door to a pizza place and ate pizza 4 times a week since I loved it. After over a year of that I lost all taste for pizza and never had even a slice for over 2 years.

Maybe the peristalsis can start up again during a fast and then after evacuation stop again. I do know that you cannot evacuate waste without peristalsis.

[billionairekid]

I haven't read all of this thread because, wow, there is a lot of information. I just stumbled upon how beneficial fasts are and I want to partake in one. For me, it is imperative that I fully understand how to do this correctly because of my goals (both spiritual and otherwise).

Could you point me in the right direction so that I can begin to understand the theology behind fasting? Also, I plan on making huge dietary changes before and after so that I can live a healthier lifestyle. I want to live a vegan lifestyle. Right now, my diet is pathetic but unfortunately I don't have the financial means to start to change it. I want to begin to learn how to do all this properly so I can implement the changes within the next month.

Thank you for your help

[adaira]

I am impressed with your fasting length...takes alot of will power. I just did a 5 day water only fast..and was completely amazed at the outcome. I have juice fasted several times and there simply was no comparison with the results I have achieved with water only. There was also no comparison to the side effects as well, which many took me by surprise. I lost 5 lbs in 5 days. From day 3 to 5, I had awful feelings of sadness, crying frequently for very minor reasons, day 4 I felt very weak, and day 5 the nausea began. I did not anticipate any of these, but I have read online that they are normal side effects. My heart rate shot up day 5 to 101 normally it sits at around 80. That concerned me. I did some intense muscle building workout for about 15 minutes a day. I am gathering that should be eliminated. On day 5, I had laser treatment for hair removal done, while it may not be related, I am wondering if it could have influenced any of my side effects? I think all of the side effects are normal and to be expected except for the heart rate. I can't find any information online about that. I went ahead and began eating that day because it concerned me. It took 6-8 hours for my heart rate to return to normal after eating...

Any thoughts?

thanks

[adaira]

Oh I forgot.........I read that you were doing enemas 2x day to remove toxins but no longer think this is the way to go.

When you do a water enema, if you are dehydrated, your body will absorb water from there to accomodate your need. What do you think of doing water enemas daily to ensure you are getting an adequate intake of water?

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by billionairekid

I haven't read all of this thread because, wow, there is a lot of information. I just stumbled upon how beneficial fasts are and I want to partake in one. For me, it is imperative that I fully understand how to do this correctly because of my goals (both spiritual and otherwise).

Could you point me in the right direction so that I can begin to understand the theology behind fasting? Also, I plan on making huge dietary changes before and after so that I can live a healthier lifestyle. I want to live a vegan lifestyle. Right now, my diet is pathetic but unfortunately I don't have the financial means to start to change it. I want to begin to learn how to do all this properly so I can implement the changes within the next month.

Thank you for your help

Here is a webpage that I made about the water fast, juice fast and lemonade diet. It has quotes from 23 different medical doctors about fasting. Master Cleanse Lemonade Diet, Juice Fasting and Water Fasting Now MST put up a webpage that copied my webpage, but that was when it had only 18 MDs on it. Also I added some links to MD sites about fasting as references (to make sure that I am not just making it up).

It has a lot of information on it but not as much as a book. But it does contain the very best information from Dr Shelton's (ND, DC) 400 page book on fasting with tiny print. That means that it is like a 1,000 page book on fasting with normal sized print. He was trying to make the book economical and easy to carry. They did not have kindle at that time that weighs a few ounces but can hold hundreds of books in it ("up to 1,500 books"). It is even good for illiterate people (people who cannot read). You can make it read the book to you and just listen to it.

That book is extremely extensive like it was written for scientists. It covers fasting in animals. It tells how the catapillar fasts and turns into a butterfly. Please note that Jesus did not do any preaching or miracles until after His 40 day fast. The tadpole fasts and sunbathes and turns into a frog. Note that without sunlight the tadpole cannot become a frog. Please note that the most important thing in Prince Charles's life now is a frog. Watch the 90 second commercial with celebrities that worship a frog.

Also has the best from Dr Fuhrman's (MD) book on fasting, Dr Cott's (MD & psychiatrist) 2 books on fasting and Arnold Ehret's book on fasting. Ehret has no degrees but wikipedia says that he founded naturopathy and an ND degree is in naturopathy.

Also the webpage has the non-scientific information about fasting from the Jews. Thousands of years ago the Jews were all experts on fasting just like Americans are experts on eating lots of food and getting fat. The bible has 74 references to fasting. Two Jews that fasted 40 days are Jesus and Moses. Then other famous Jews like King David did shorter fasts.

About 50 years ago a shipload of Jews wanted to leave Greece and go to what is now Israel. But the authorities would not let them. So everyone on the ship fasted to gain sympathy and worldwide attention to their situation. Then they let them go. I also read a Catholic book on fasting by a priest. My webpage also tells how fasting makes it easier to change your diet.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by adaira

Oh I forgot.........I read that you were doing enemas 2x day to remove toxins but no longer think this is the way to go.

When you do a water enema, if you are dehydrated, your body will absorb water from there to accommodate your need. What do you think of doing water enemas daily to ensure you are getting an adequate intake of water?

In reference to your previous post, a heroin addict can go with no heroin for several days and get extremely sick and die. So that proves that not taking heroin is bad for you since it can kill you. See when you are not taking it, the heroin that is stored in your fat cells goes back into your blood and circulates through the brain.

So that is what was happening to you. All the drugs, toxins and pollutants that were stored in your fat cells were released back into your blood and then circulated through your brain. But guess what? If you fast again now, all that will not happen, unless there is still some left.

Yes that is correct that the body will absorb water from an enema if you need some. But it is a lot easier to get it from drinking water. You need less water when you are fasting than when you are eating. Also the water helps clean the mouth out. See, during the fast the mouth becomes like an organ of elimination. It can be like something crawled into it and died. I have even vomited on some fasts.

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by adaira

I am impressed with your fasting length...takes alot of will power.

Hi adaira,

Thanks... yes it took a lot of patience and the final 8 hours were so difficult as to seem nearly impossible.

Originally Posted by adaira

I just did a 5 day water only fast..and was completely amazed at the outcome. I have juice fasted several times and there simply was no comparison with the results I have achieved with water only.

Sounds great... please tell us more . What specific benefits did you derive?

Originally Posted by adaira

There was also no comparison to the side effects as well, which many took me by surprise. I lost 5 lbs in 5 days. From day 3 to 5, I had awful feelings of sadness, crying frequently for very minor reasons, day 4 I felt very weak, and day 5 the nausea began. I did not anticipate any of these, but I have read online that they are normal side effects.

A more aggressive cleanse (water vs. juice) will generally be accompanied by more aggressive detox symptoms... a water-only fast is said to eliminate toxins at 3x the rate of a juice fast. Feeling very weak is exceedingly common as a result of the toxic uprising (many toxins being uprooted and sent into the bloodstream for elimination). Nausea is a pretty extreme symptom, but definately common enough, though i have never experienced it. What i have encountered frequently is "heartburn", though not in this most recent fast. The sadness and crying is very interesting. My feeling is that it is exactly what you needed.

Originally Posted by adaira

My heart rate shot up day 5 to 101 normally it sits at around 80. That concerned me. I did some intense muscle building workout for about 15 minutes a day. I am gathering that should be eliminated.

In itself, an increased heart rate is quite unusual in a fast, as the heartrate most commonly slows... but you explain it with the intense muscle building workouts, something a fasting body in deep conservation mode can not handle nearly so well as a feeding body (unless it was the rare fasting body of somebody with no toxemia). I don't know how much of this thread you have read, but somewhere i mentioned that in a previous fast i experimented with 4 days of high intensity cardio before realizing from the effects... an elevated heart rate that persisted day and night... that this definately seemed like a bad idea.

Originally Posted by adaira

I think all of the side effects are normal and to be expected except for the heart rate.

I strongly agree.

Originally Posted by adaira

I went ahead and began eating that day because it concerned me. It took 6-8 hours for my heart rate to return to normal after eating...

That took care of it and discontinuing the workouts would likely have done so as well... placing the intense cardio on pause quickly took care of my elevated heart rate and the 10 day mini-beautiful-fast went very well from there .

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by adaira

When you do a water enema, if you are dehydrated, your body will absorb water from there to accomodate your need. What do you think of doing water enemas daily to ensure you are getting an adequate intake of water?

I prefer drinking from the mouth, thank you .

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

... no one has ever heard of the following that happens to me. I was eating at a health food restaurant 5 days a week. I would eat my 5 favorite dinners (cooked food) each week. So I was eating the same meal once a week. After a year of this I could not eat those foods anymore. I lost all taste for them. So then I would have to eat specials on the menu that they do not usually have.

But with raw fruit, I can eat the same fruit every night and not get tired of it. Also many years back I lived next door to a pizza place and ate pizza 4 times a week since I loved it. After over a year of that I lost all taste for pizza and never had even a slice for over 2 years.

As compelling a reason to go raw as any i have seen. When you say "lost all taste for", do you mean you now despise the taste, or that it tastes like nothing? I suspect you mean the former. Has your experience with fasting re-enabled you to enjoy certain cooked foods, or no?

[PerDev]

This is Simply Great.

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

As compelling a reason to go raw as any i have seen. When you say "lost all taste for", do you mean you now despise the taste, or that it tastes like nothing? I suspect you mean the former. Has your experience with fasting re-enabled you to enjoy certain cooked foods, or no?

I had no desire to eat those foods. For example do you have a desire to eat monkey brains? That does not happen much now so fasting may have made a difference but I eat a lot of raw fruit now. Also I take a supplement with digestive enzymes.

[dice]

Wow, thankyou.

I seriously admire the precision you have for plans/expectations. I am often afraid to set out and plant markers like that for myself, with my tendancy to want to just bulldoze through things with a blindfold on.

Now I'm very inspired to work up to being able to do something like this! God speed!

[MightySunTzu]

I have just discovered another benefit that can only have come from the fast. For many years, i have been consistently afflicted with a high susceptibility to car sickness. If any attempt to read in a moving car was made, it was very quickly met with ill effects... i had about 5-10 seconds before it was too late.

In this past week, i was on a long trip and was able, to my extreme surprise, to read the map at will in a moving car and for as long as i wanted with no negative consequences.

Spinning has long had the same effect and inspired by the map reading development, i was able to hold my 5 year old niece's hands and airplane her in circles today with no feeling of sickness whatsoever.

[MightySunTzu]

Originally Posted by dice

I seriously admire the precision you have for plans/expectations. I am often afraid to set out and plant markers like that for myself, with my tendancy to want to just bulldoze through things with a blindfold on.

Now I'm very inspired to work up to being able to do something like this! God speed!

Hi dice,

Thank you for your post. What is your next step?

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My next fast grows very near. Now that i have shored up my responsibilities (in New York) over the past 5 months, i am back in California where i can have as much solitude as needed along with a break from work and most other distractions. As with the previous fast, most of my days will be spent in a mountain resort home. I intend to have an exceedingly restful fast this time around... in contrast to the fast preceeding this one where i walked briskly for 2 hours per day.

My intention would be to excercise 2 times per day for only about 5-7 minutes each session... just enough time to fully move the lymphs and then get right back to resting. Fat loss is not as essential a goal this time around, so i will do my best (through maximal rest) to optimally detoxify, hoping to achieve a return to genuine hunger in the form of the elimination of all toxemia. The reduced amount of exercise, while allowing the fastest elimination of toxins, also will allow my body to maximally conserve its nutritional stores, hopefully to the point of allowing this goal (elimination of all toxemia before running low on any reserves) to be reached.

I would expect to burn about 10 pounds of fat over about 30 days of restful fasting. With fat as the primary fuel source and with an unyielding... even though it is slowing... basal metabolic rate, this is quite inevitable. However, let nobody become enthusiastic over the 15 pounds or so of temporary water loss which is also to be expected.

If my fasting body is able to handle it, i expect most of my exercise to be done on a mini trampoline, seemingly the very best exercise on the planet for detoxifying, alternating weightlessness and G-force to impact every cell with each bounce. If my body can't handle the bouncing, i would then revert to brisk walking, something i know it can handle.

Naturally as before, the fast will consist only of distilled water and nothing else (no supplements of any kind, no tea, no electrolytes, etc etc etc) and as in the previous fast, i plan (after the first few days) to drink only to thirst and only within a 4 hour window each day, dry fasting for the remaining 20 hours each day to achieve the greatest possible physiological rest which translates to the swiftest and most aggressive cleanse. I will prepare to go 30 days or longer if necessary, but with the hope of achieving a completed fast (a toxemia-free return to genuine hunger) some time before this.

[dice]

Originally Posted by MightySunTzu

Hi dice,

Thank you for your post. What is your next step?

Today I decided to start off the new decade by noting and renouncing this 'unconcious-lust' tendancy i'm newly aware of and concerned about. I think with my mind, not my body, in regards to how I eat/consume/treat myself in general. I'm reversing that now and balancing it out.

I read a few good things about fasting with coconut-water (O.N.E.). So I'm going to drink a mixture of that with cold/distilled water, supplementing with a spoonful or two DHA NutraSea. For all of january 1st until midnight. Have you done/heard of doing a combo like this?

I'm setting very very very very gentle expectations - I'm actually uncomfortable doing this. Ideally I'd like to heroically abstain for weeks on end - but that backfires, so I guess I'll either have to work up to it, or stand up taller and re-frame the mountain so it looks like a hill.

Perhaps setting up heroic goals/expectations is a lusty-egotistic tendancy too?

Thoughts?

(ps. I'm in a dry winter climate, -25 degrees. Does this factor in anywhere?)

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by dice

(ps. I'm in a dry winter climate, -25 degrees. Does this factor in anywhere?)

Unless you are very fat, the body tries to conserve calories during a fast so people are more uncomfortable during cold weather but more comfortable in very hot weather. But time of year should not be an issue on whether to fast or not.