Thyroid and Coconut oil

[rawxstasy]

[I][You assume people don't eat meat because they can't afford it. I don't have the SAD-diet perspective, so I don't see it that way. I believe many Asians just didn't see the need to have a big hunk of meat at every meal and didn't see soy as being horrible. /I]


I'm going to step in here and comment. I lived in Indonesia for 12 years and it is true. Soy is often eaten by the poor as a substiitute for meat. ( tempe and tofu are both high in protein) I know they would rather have meat if they could afford it. The other thing is the soy products there are fresh, they shop daily at markets as most people (at least in Indoensia) don't have refridgerators. So maybe our soy products are more processed and that might have something to do with weight gain? Also asians main food staple is rice. Rice is less "heavy" than American food so that's another reason why they are thinner.

I don't know how to explain "heavy" other than, eating standard American diet makes me feel sluggish. I didn't have that problem with an Asian diet.

[scorpio1980]

Originally Posted by funchy

You assume people don't eat meat because they can't afford it. I don't have the SAD-diet perspective, so I don't see it that way. I believe many Asians just didn't see the need to have a big hunk of meat at every meal and didn't see soy as being horrible.
"[/INDENT]

The sad diet has nothing to do with how much meat. Meat, and fish do not cause disease, and are a healthy part of a balanced diet. A sad diet consists of meat that is raised with grain, and soy full of chemicals. A sad diet also includes lots of trans fats, chemicals, HFCS, grains, beans, etc. Meat in of itself has never killed anyone, it's the whole processed diet that is sad. The oldest people I know have all been meat eaters. My greatgrandpa is 96, my roomates grandpa is 102, my grandma lived to be 93, her friend is in her late 90's, among other elders i've known. They are all meat eaters, but they all have something in common, they don't eat processed crap, very little grains, little fruit except for whats in season, and lots of veggies. I'm tired of vegans making meat out to be the culprit, when in fact it just so happens that it's not meat. Don't you realize that the new "foods" are the real cause of disease, they are the foods created in labs. The bad foods are also the ones that have to be processed to eat, such as grains. A healthy diet is simple, it includes lots of veggies, meat, and fish, some fruit, nuts, and some seeds on occasion. We don't have to limit ourselves to only plants, animals are here for more than just looking at, we can eat them, and gather their life force, along with vitamins, and minerals. I'm happy you enjoy your diet, but to say animal foods cause disease is basically saying nature has gotten it wrong. I have studied this topic for years, and have never come accross a society or culture who didn't consume meat. Give thought to this: perhaps it's not the meat, but rather the lack of veggies that kill people. Eat a balanced diet, and all will be well. I eat an animal product at every meal, just like my gramps, but guess what over half my meal is veggies, and that is the difference, and is why i'm a fully healthy 28 year old.

[Andrew Brunelle]

I've heard such wonderful things about pure coconut oil. Lauric acid and healthy saturated fats makes me think it might even be worth it to start putting them into my smoothies. It would also add some much-needed fat to my mostly fruit/greens smoothies. I remember watching a David Wolfe Ultimate Smoothie thing on Youtube, where he uses the whole young coconut and raw cacao along with berries to make an incredible smoothie. It may be worth a shot.

[liamona]

I just saw this on Natural News and the Cornucopia Institute. Apparently, most non-organic soy is processed with hexane.

Soy Protein Used in "Natural" Foods Bathed in Toxic Solvent Hexane by Mike Adams the Health Ranger

YouTube - Hexane contamination of soy protein and soy products

Cornucopia Institute » Blog Archive » Soy Report and Scorecard

"Unless a soy-based vegetarian burger or meat analog product is organic, with the green USDA Organic seal on the package, it almost certainly contains hexane-extracted soy protein, such as soy protein isolate or soy protein concentrate. Texturized vegetable protein is also a common ingredient in meat analogs and is usually a soy isolate or concentrate that has been further processed with high heat and pressure to resemble the texture of real meat.

To make conventional soy protein ingredients, food manufacturers start the process by literally immersing soybeans in a hexane “bath.” A common additional technique to further separate out the protein is bathing soy flakes in aqueous alcohols such as methanol, ethanol, or isopropyl alcohol. Processors also commonly use acid and alkaline solutions to adjust the pH, and use high heat and high pressure to texturize the soy protein.

Organic soy protein has been available for years, but food manufacturers have been hesitant to use it because of its lower protein content and increased cost. Hexane is very effective at extracting oil, and the alternative heating method and expeller press techniques used, to date, to produce organic soy protein isolate have resulted in a product with a lower protein content. Hexane-extraction results in soy protein isolate containing close to 99% protein, whereas mechanical extraction results in protein levels closer to 92% to 94% (but never lower than 90%)."

From: "Behind the Bean The Heroes and Charlatans of the Natural and Organic Soy Foods Industry"

[liamona]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

I remember watching a David Wolfe Ultimate Smoothie thing on Youtube, where he uses the whole young coconut and raw cacao along with berries to make an incredible smoothie.

I wonder where he gets his coconuts from. Even my local Whole Foods doesn't carry organic ones, and the non-organic ones are fumigated and/or irradiated.

[WordKeeper]

Liamona - I'm very excited. I'm going to pick up my raw milk on Thursday. This same farmer has butter, pasture fed beef, pork and chickens, field eggs, vegetables and more. So excited. Found him on Weston Price Fnd. site.

Now I am ready to start with the best cod-liver oil. Will you remind me of the brand you mentioned previously? Thank you - Wordkeeper

Peek - you mention that you are trying coconut oil as a way to lose weight. You don't mention whether you have a thyroid problem or not but either way I have another suggestion that also helps with decreasing appetite - Apple Cider Vinegar. I began trying that as well. It is actually easier to take than the Coconut Oil for me. I'll try to find a link for you.
Apple Cider Vinegar Benefits...The many Uses and Amazing Health Benefits of ACV.

[Peek]

Hey thank Wordkeeper.

As far as I know the only problem I have is liking food too much in my belly, than outside of it

Still I like the effects that I have now from my first week on coconut oil:

• my yogurt taste better (I just like the taste of coconut)
• I have energy for 6 (and I'm moving my office now so you can imagine.....)
• My weight is 1 kg down, can be water, so no conclusion there.
• My cravings are gone!!!!!
• During dinner I feel full sooner.

So far it is a remarkable week for me.

The vinegar, I will definitely look into it. I am a big fan of simple constructive solutions with not to much ingredients and side effects!

So take care all, I'm privetely journaling my 30 days on coconut oil, if interesting I'm make a sum at the end of the 30 days.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by WordKeeper

Liamona - I'm very excited. I'm going to pick up my raw milk on Thursday. This same farmer has butter, pasture fed beef, pork and chickens, field eggs, vegetables and more. So excited. Found him on Weston Price Fnd. site.

That's great! Do you have an active local Weston Price group? Some Chapter Leaders do frequent pot lucks and hold classes on how to make stuff with raw milk like cheese, yogurt and kefir.

It's nice to hook up with like-minded people, not to mention being able to organize raw milk pick-ups so that you don't always have to go to the farm yourself.

Local Chapters

Now I am ready to start with the best cod-liver oil. Will you remind me of the brand you mentioned previously? Thank you - Wordkeeper

I like the ones from Green Pastures, although right now I'm using the Garden of Life brand for spring~summer because it doesn't have very much vitamin D.

I'd like to try one of these fermented cod liver oils:

Fermented Cod Liver Oil

In the fall my local WAPF group will be ordering in bulk from them in order to get a discount.

I also like the Premier Quantum brand from Radiant Life. This is a great supplement company that sells WAP-inspired products.

Premier Quantum Norwegian Cod Liver Oil Healthy Fats

[liamona]

I just stumbled upon a good series of blog posts on raw milk:

Raw Milk Benefits - #1 in Raw Milk Series | Kelly the Kitchen Kop

Raw Milk Safety - #2 in Raw Milk Series | Kelly the Kitchen Kop

Could there still be a pathogen in the milk that could make you sick?

Yes, there is always a chance. Just like you could get ill from eating any uncooked foods, like raw vegetables - or spinach, which was reported on the news not long ago. I have a much bigger chance of getting into a car accident, but I still ride in cars! Here is what I always say:

I’d rather take that small risk of getting ill from raw milk, for the 100% chance of getting all the amazing nutritional benefits every single time I drink it.

[I totally agree. Raw dairy is one of the tastiest ways to consume the hard-to-get vitamin K2. I've drunk it for years and haven't gotten sick from it once.]

Raw Milk Safety & Clean Farming Practices - #3 in Raw Milk Series, by Karen Lubbers | Kelly the Kitchen Kop

Guest post by Karen Lubbers of Lubbers Family Farm, who became a farmer after her six-year-old daughter was diagnosed with brain cancer, in order to provide her with nutrient-dense foods. Her daughter is now a healthy adult.

She gives information on how to choose a cow share program.

Milk comes from cows, not beans - Karen Lubbers at the Deidre Currie Festival | Kelly the Kitchen Kop

Kelly's notes on Karen's talk at the Festival.

[WordKeeper]

Thank you Liamona. I greatly appreciate learning from your deep resevoir of knowledge and resources.

I am on the edge of breaking past a weight level. As soon as I began the coconut oil I began toggling back and forth 5 pounds. Finally I am about to drop below that level. I will be very thankful. Most of my clothes will fit when I drop another 5.

[Peek]

Hi Wordkeeper,

The vinegar works in a funny way. Seems like my intestines start cleaning up and putting the garbage outside.

The coconut oil put an upcoming flu to rest! Great stuff.
I've found out that this kind of oil get broken down in the big intestine and not by the liver like most fat. So my liver is happier than ever.

And, as I expected, even the biggest cravings for chocolate, cookies or what ever are put to rest, even in severe circumstances.

Said so, I realize I'm only using it for more then one week, so let's see what this week is going to give.

[liamona]

I really enjoy the recipes and diet suggestions in Eat Fat, Lose Fat (written by Sally Fallon and Dr. Mary Enig of the Weston Price Foundation). It contains a lot of tasty coconut-based recipes.

Although I usually only drink fermented milk like kefir, this morning I warmed a cup of raw milk and added a tablespoon of melted coconut oil, some vanilla extract, cinnamon and stevia. It was yummy! I couldn't even finish the whole thing.

[beautyscientist]

I have read this thread with some interest. The idea that coconut oil can help with weight loss is appealling. The arguments put forward here, and the anecdotes, all sound very positive and believable.

The only thing that bothers me is why this isn't better known? And coconut oil isn't the only lauric acid rich vegetable oil. Have any of the others shown similar effects?

As some others have asked, are there any actual studies from proper journals with numbers on this?

[Peek]

beautyscientist, some where in time we decided as a society that all fat makes you fat. Yes it is a stupid believe, but this is how it got started.

Now you see we can distinguish kinds of fat and make better decisions, I hope.

Point remains, while I'm drinking my coffee with a spoon of coco oil, that it makes me feel good and energized. Even after 3 weeks I still feel like Laura Croft, hihihi.
About weight loss I can not tell exactly, due to a broken down scale, but the compliments of my silhouette are coming in!

Take some lime in your coconut!

[liamona]

Originally Posted by beautyscientist

The only thing that bothers me is why this isn't better known?

According to naturopathic doctor Bruce Fife, author of The Coconut Oil Miracle (which I'm reading right now), this information was well-known among lipid researchers since the 50s.

Up until the 80s, tropical oils were used in a lot of manufactured foods. Then the American Soybean Association (ASA), along with "health" groups like Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) started a campaign to demonize these oils:

"In 1986 the ASA sent a "Fat Fighter Kit" to soybean farmers encouraging them to write government officials, food companies, and so on, protesting the encroachment of "highly saturated tropical fats like palm and coconut oils." The wives and families of some 400,000 soybean growers were encouraged to fan out across the country in a lobbying effort touting the health benefits of soybean oil. Well-meaning but misguided health groups such as Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) joined in the battle, issuing news releases referring to palm, coconut, and palm kern oils as "artery-clogging fats." (from page 10.)

And coconut oil isn't the only lauric acid rich vegetable oil. Have any of the others shown similar effects?

"Coconut and palm kernel oils are by far the richest natural sources of this supernutrient, which makes up about 50 percent of their fat content. Milk fat and butter are a distant second, having about 3 percent. These are the only food sources we have that contain significant amounts of lauric acid. Unlike the tropical oils, all vegetable oils are completely deficient in this and other MCFAs [medium chain fatty acids]." (page 67.)

As some others have asked, are there any actual studies from proper journals with numbers on this?

Fife lists all kinds of studies for each chapter of the book.

Lately I finished what was left of my gallon of CO from Mountain Rose, and started using Nutiva's. Their oil has a better smell.

Yesterday I was out all afternoon, and forgot to re-apply sunscreen on my chest, shoulders and arms. When I got home, they were red and a bit painful. I started applying CO, and now most of the redness has turned to brown. I think I will start using this on my skin and hair, and see how it goes. I've used other brands with little effect.

I recently found that the Wild Oats brand of organic coconut milk is extremely rich. On the label it says to shake the can before opening, but when I did, there was no liquid-y swishing sound at all.

The reason was because the contents were almost completely solid fat! The label says it contains 12 grams, with six servings so it has 72 grams total.

I heated the whole contents in a pan, added some powdered cocoa, vanilla extract, shredded coconut, chopped walnuts, and stevia. It made a wonderfully rich, satisfying dessert.

[fitx3]

I have been taking Synthroid for hypothyroidism for almost 20 years now. I have been adding CO to my diet for about 3 weeks now and I have to say it's all true. It was an obvious difference to me within one week of taking it that something was happening and I wasn't doing anything differently with my routine. My clothes were fitting looser after about the first 6 days and I feel like I'm continuing to drop body fat. I'm just a little ticked that I didn't hear about this way sooner. Better late than never.

[greeneyedgirl]

Originally Posted by fitx3

I have been adding CO to my diet for about 3 weeks now and I have to say it's all true.

Hi fitx3,

Could you tell me how much CO you use per day? I'd like to give this a try and I love the taste of CO, even just straight up by the spoonful, but I have no idea how much might make a difference.

Thanks so much!

[fitx3]

Originally Posted by greeneyedgirl

Hi fitx3,

Could you tell me how much CO you use per day? I'd like to give this a try and I love the taste of CO, even just straight up by the spoonful, but I have no idea how much might make a difference.

Thanks so much!

Sure. I take 1 tablespoon, 4 times a day.

I love the fact that it helps me with portion control. When I first started taking CO, I would leave the table feeling like I just downed a loaded Thanksgiving dinner plate! Now it's WAY easier for me to eat smaller portions more times a day.