The Mexican-pig flu and some synchronicity

[songwriter]

I don't think I must explain what is happening now with that pig-flu.
All that i wanted to say is that today the Secretary of Health in Mexico was giving a press conference (about the flu...) and it that special moment an earthquake happened.

Kind of the 6th degree. It's a synch. I don't know what was the secretary saying when the earthquake happened, but it will be interesting to know it.Whether if he said it's a controlled thing or a dangerous thing, the earthquake in that special moment is a big remark.

does anyone know what was he saying?

And if he didn't start talking yet, what did he say after the earthquake?

From what I know, he just mentioned the people already death for the virus.

I've found the video
YouTube - TEMBLOR EN MEXICO 27/04/2009

it is not clear, in a long video he explains data of the flu and what the gov is doing. In the exact moment he says "the decisions must be made"... or so

I think it's very interesting. I guess it means they're doing the right thing.

[funchy]

The update I have seems to blame the big meat corporation for unsanitary conditions, dumping untreated waste, etc

Environmental causes of the swine flu epidemic | MNN - Mother Nature Network


This the price we all must pay so that people can enjoy the cheapest pork possible. If you want to make a difference, buy only local/organic meats, replace some meat meals with non-meat, or consider going vegan.

The avian flu is also still out there, and it's only a matter of time before we see humans sick with it again.

[bman]

No, wrong, wrong wrong.

Everyone here is still asleep.

Never mind, you'll find out soon enough.

[garentee]

Originally Posted by bman

No, wrong, wrong wrong.

Everyone here is still asleep.

Never mind, you'll find out soon enough.

elaborate...please

[bman]

Originally Posted by garentee

elaborate...please

No, it's a thankless job.

Go back to sleep and wait for it to happen.

Just be aware that the virus is man-made, that's all.

[mulbrich]

Originally Posted by bman

Everyone here is still asleep.

I am really tired right now

[RagsToRiches]

Originally Posted by bman

No, it's a thankless job.

Go back to sleep and wait for it to happen.

Just be aware that the virus is man-made, that's all.

Almost every post you make is brimimng with negativity.

Dispite the possible truth of your message, your tone is aggressive - "Go back to sleep" - and gloomy - "No, it's a thankless job."

As always I suggest you buy a copy of frogs into princes by Richard Bandler and turn yourself into a prince

Maybe you'll even get to kiss a princess!

[bman]

Originally Posted by RagsToRiches

Almost every post you make is brimimng with negativity.

Dispite the possible truth of your message, your tone is aggressive - "Go back to sleep" - and gloomy - "No, it's a thankless job."

As always I suggest you buy a copy of frogs into princes by Richard Bandler and turn yourself into a prince

Maybe you'll even get to kiss a princess!

I told you it's a thankless job.

People who're in denial love throwing the word negativity around.

I am still not going to tell you what's possibly really happening because from my experience, even if I show you a real video of your president banging a pro you wouldn't believe it either.

I would like to sit back, enjoy the show and see how people reap and sow the seeds of denial and ignorance.

[RagsToRiches]

"All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become." - Buddha

[bman]

Originally Posted by RagsToRiches

"All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become." - Buddha

Buddha has no reason to exist.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by bman

Just be aware that the virus is man-made, that's all.

It does appear that way, doesn't it? I thought Mike Adams' comment about it on NaturalNews.com was interesting:

“I am not a medical specialist in the area of infectious disease, but I have studied microbiology, genetics and a considerable amount of material on pandemics. What seems suspicious to me is the hybrid origin of the viral fragments found in H1N1 influenza. According to reports in the mainstream media (which has no reason to lie about this particular detail), this strain of influenza contains viral code fragments from:

• Human influenza
• Bird Flu from North America
• Swine flu from Europe
• Swine flu from Asia

This is rather astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North America would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross-species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird flu elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs — in Mexico! — and spread it to others. (This isn’t the only explanation of how it could have happened, but it is one scenario that gives you an idea of the complexity of such a thing happening).”

This is from MSN:

CDC officials described the virus as having a unique combination of gene segments not seen in people or pigs before. The bug contains human virus, avian virus from North America and pig viruses from North America, Europe and Asia. Health officials have seen mixes of bird, pig and human virus before, but never such an intercontinental combination with more than one pig virus in the mix.

"Intercontinental," huh? How likely is that?

[bman]

Now yer talking.


But wait, if you go any further, be prepared to be discredited or dismissed as a conspiracy theorist or a negative twat.


Let them find out for themselves. Don't bother educating them.

It's a thankless job. Most people won't even entertain the truth until their loved ones start dying or when they lost their freedom. There're also those who never found out the truth or accepted anything other than it being 'god's will'.


People will not thank you for pulling their plug from the matrix.

They will curse you, they will even DIE to defend the matrix than being told the truth.

Their reality is not the same as yours.

Don't end up being killed by Cypher.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by bman

Now yer talking.


But wait, if you go any further, be prepared to be discredited or dismissed as a conspiracy theorist or a negative twat.

Oh yeah, btdt.

Let them find out for themselves. Don't bother educating them.

In "real life," I hardly ever talk about this stuff. I only unload on you lucky ones!

It's a thankless job. Most people won't even entertain the truth until their loved ones start dying or when they lost their freedom. There're also those who never found out the truth or accepted anything other than it being 'god's will'.

Isn't that sad? It's hard for people to find the truth, when they're beaten down with propaganda at every phase of their lives. However, I do feel compassion for them, even if they frustrate me.

[bman]

Originally Posted by liamona

Oh yeah, btdt.



In "real life," I hardly ever talk about this stuff. I only unload on you lucky ones!



Isn't that sad? It's hard for people to find the truth, when they're beaten down with propaganda at every phase of their lives. However, I do feel compassion for them, even if they frustrate me.

I used to have compassion for these people.

Now I have nothing but contempt.

Bring on the deaths so I can gloat and say 'I told you so'.

[Brutha]

"Intercontinental," huh? How likely is that?

Well they have a war going on in Mexico and having a virus like that surely destabilishes the government.

Welcome in a time where you get your gene sequencer for under 10,000$ at ebay (you also need a bit other material but the total cost of printing such a virus will still be under 100,000$).

[liamona]

Originally Posted by bman

Bring on the deaths so I can gloat and say 'I told you so'.

But then who will be left to gloat to? "Wilson"?

[liamona]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Well they have a war going on in Mexico and having a virus like that surely destabilishes the government.

Oh, I didn't even think about that angle...it reminds me of how Wall Street helped to devaluate the peso and caused chaos in that country back in the 90s (as described so well in the chapter, "THE TEQUILA TRAP: THE REAL STORY BEHIND THE ILLEGAL ALIEN INVASION" in Ellen Brown's book Web of Debt.

Welcome in a time where you get your gene sequencer for under 10,000$ at ebay (you also need a bit other material but the total cost of printing such a virus will still be under 100,000$).

Really?! Wow. Of course, the human cost is incalculable.

Vaccine researcher Sherri Tenpenny had some comments about this latest flu:

"Swine Flu in Mexico: The 'New" Bird Flu'"

We knew this was coming. Even though the bird flu hype was removed years ago from the nightly news, planning for the global pandemic and the development of pandemic flu vaccines has continued with little notice. Our government has instructed FEMA, made checklists for Homeland Security, given action plans to State and local authorities. These plans include methods and drills for global inoculation with a vaccine that will no doubt have the same deadly consequences as the Swine Flu vaccine in 1976.

My book, FOWL!, published in 2006, foretold the events that are now happening in Mexico. Reported death rates are skyrocketing, from 20 to 60 to 86, in a matter of hours. More than 1,300 others have supposedly become ill with "suspected" cases of the infection and reports are coming in from various States and Canada of swine flu. There are no sources or references given with these numbers; we have to take the word of CNN. A short look back at plans that were put in place several years ago will confirm this is not a spontaneous eruption and the solution – global vaccination – has been in the works for quite some time.

My RSS feed from the alternative news site "Signs of the Times" is filled with all sorts of stories:

Flashback: Sanofi Aventis Invests 100 Million Euros In New Facility In Mexico To Produce Seasonal and Pandemic Influenza Vaccine

Flashback: Scientists Have Already Created Bird Flu and Swine Flu Strain Hybrids

Previous Swine Flu Outbreak Originated At Fort Dix

Is Swine Flu A Biological Weapon?

[Brutha]

Really?! Wow. Of course, the human cost is incalculable.

If you are a group with a small amount of money and want to fight a big opponent like a government you are likely to use methods that create a lot of damage for little money.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by funchy

The update I have seems to blame the big meat corporation for unsanitary conditions, dumping untreated waste, etc

Environmental causes of the swine flu epidemic | MNN - Mother Nature Network


This the price we all must pay so that people can enjoy the cheapest pork possible. If you want to make a difference, buy only local/organic meats, replace some meat meals with non-meat, or consider going vegan.

The avian flu is also still out there, and it's only a matter of time before we see humans sick with it again.

Although I laud the article's informing people of the poor working and environmental conditions at Smithfield Food's Veracruz, Mexico location, I don't think the facts (so far) warrant jumping to the conclusion that the CAFO caused the current Swine Flu.

The Fair Foods site ran an excellent rebuttal to the original Grist Magazine article cited by yours called, "Grist: CAFOs to Blame for H1N1 Swine Flu? (Really??) -- UPDATES"

According to a Reuters UK article,

* Although it's called swine flu, this new strain is not infecting pigs and has never been seen in pigs. The threat is person to person transmission.

* It is genetically different from the fully human H1N1 seasonal influenza virus that has been circulating globally for the past few years. The new flu virus contains DNA typical to avian, swine and human viruses, including elements from European and Asian swine viruses.

Why doesn't the mainstream media just call it genetically modified? Everything that we know so far points to it being engineered, probably in a laboratory.

[JSB]

Originally Posted by bman

...

Just be aware that the virus is man-made, that's all.

Could be, but what's the incentive? Plagues don't respect borders or social classes, and releasing an easily transmissible disease on one's enemies seems more stupid than evil, as it will only come back to infect the attacker.

Religious fanatics might have an incentive, but there are plenty of places more likely to be targets for religious fanatics (of all stripes) than Mexico.

[Brutha]

Why doesn't the mainstream media just call it genetically modified? Everything that we know so far point's to it being engineered, probably in a laboratory.

The journalists in question probably don't know that much about biology.
It just isn't a possibility they think about.

Mainstream media wants to tell stories that are complete. They want to tell their audience what events mean.
If it's genetically modified someone had to do the modafiying and that means that you have to speculate while mainstream media just wants to report "the facts".

As bman wrote above, the story also just smells a bit like conspiracy theory and a respectable journalist doesn't like that smell.

Nobody wants to give other non state groups the idea to produce viruses as well.

They don't want to produce a panic.

Could be, but what's the incentive? Plagues don't respect borders or social classes, and releasing an easily transmissible disease on one's enemies seems more stupid than evil, as it will only come back to infect the attacker.

They have a war going on in Mexico and a drug cartel doesn't really care as much if a few people in the territories that they control die.

Of course the vaccination companies also have an incentive (additionally they also have the knowhow).

[ginkgo]

SARS killed 750 people, but none in the U.S. Do you think that swine flu will kill as many people? Did you know that medications kill over 100,000 annually in the U.S.? Anthrax killed 8 people during that one time and the news made it the biggest story. Many more people than that die in bathrooms.

[GHI]

Originally Posted by JSB

Could be, but what's the incentive? Plagues don't respect borders or social classes, and releasing an easily transmissible disease on one's enemies seems more stupid than evil, as it will only come back to infect the attacker.

Maybe it was just an experiment gone bad. Just because it is "man-made" doesn't necessarily mean that it was released on purpose.

[GHI]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

SARS killed 750 people, but none in the U.S. Do you think that swine flu will kill as many people? Did you know that medications kill over 100,000 annually in the U.S.? Anthrax killed 8 people during that one time and the news made it the biggest story. Many more people than that die in bathrooms.

Finally! The voice of reason.

I really don't get all the panic around this thing. It's pathetic, really.

Every day 200 americans are killed in an automobile accident, and nobody cares. In the third world, thousands of children die from malaria and malnutrition every day, and the newspapers remain silent. Millions of people are butchered all over the world, both by man and by preventable maladies and accidents. Nobody knows, and nobody cares.

And then comes this thing... the swine flu. A few people get infected by an exotic disease, and all hell break loose. Oh yes! "Bring on the deaths"... They are all out to get us! The western civilization is about to fall down! It's the End of Days!

Jeesh... It's a planet of lunatics, I tell you. Pigs will fly before humanity comes to it's senses. Oh wait, it just happened. The pigs flu [flew]. Maybe there is hope for us, after all

[liamona]

Originally Posted by Brutha

The journalists in question probably don't know that much about biology.
It just isn't a possibility they think about.

I guess so...but the article itself says, "It is genetically different from the fully human H1N1 seasonal influenza virus that has been circulating globally for the past few years."

As bman wrote above, the story also just smells a bit like conspiracy theory and a respectable journalist doesn't like that smell.

LOL. You are so right about that!

Of course the vaccination companies also have an incentive (additionally they also have the knowhow).

Bingo.

BiondVax surges as swine flu stokes interest in vaccines | Business News | Jerusalem Post

"BiondVax Pharmaceuticals Ltd., an Israeli developer of intra-nasal flu vaccines, soared the most on record in Tel Aviv trading on Monday as the swine-flu outbreak spread.

BiondVax surged 211 percent, the most since shares began trading in 2007, to NIS 1.06. NasVax Ltd., which also develops flu vaccines, rose as much as 150% to NIS 2, before closing 1.3% higher at NIS 0.81 after the company said it wasn't planning to develop a swine-flu vaccine."

[liamona]

Originally Posted by GHI

Maybe it was just an experiment gone bad. Just because it is "man-made" doesn't necessarily mean that it was released on purpose.

That's what I think. I think this is a pandemic beta test, a "Dress Rehearsal," to see how the public reacts. They've been priming us for years, just like before 9/11 with admonitions like "the question isn't if (a terrorist attack/pandemic) will happen, but WHEN."

[liamona]

Originally Posted by GHI

I really don't get all the panic around this thing.

Every day 200 americans are killed in an automobile accident, and nobody cares. In the third world, thousands of children die from malaria and malnutrition every day, and the newspapers remain silent. Millions of people are butchered all over the world, both by man and by preventable maladies and accidents. Nobody knows, and nobody cares.

And then comes this thing... the swine flu. A few people get infected by an exotic disease, and all hell break loose. Oh yes! "Bring on the deaths"... They are all out to get us! The western civilization is about to fall down! It's the End of Days!

Yes, it is sad that the masses' feelings are so easily manipulated, isn't it? But look at the crap they watch and/or listen to.

I woke up in the middle of the night, and was listening to the AM radio.

I came across a broadcast of the Swine Flu. The words themselves weren't particularly alarming—I'll be the text is pretty fact-filled and informative.

But the tone of voice the announcer was reading it with, and the scary background noises and music that accompanied the piece was something reminiscent of a Stephen King novel.

I was even starting to feel alarmed and had to shut the radio off, because I hated feeling like I was being manipulated. But how many people are aware they're being manipulated like this? When do they realize, if ever?

[Brutha]

SARS killed 750 people, but none in the U.S. Do you think that swine flu will kill as many people? Did you know that medications kill over 100,000 annually in the U.S.? Anthrax killed 8 people during that one time and the news made it the biggest story.

Then the spanish flu killed an estimated of 20 to 100 million people worldwide in 1918/1919 (numbers from wikipedia).
There no reason why a virus like that shouldn't come back (or for that matter the exact virus which you can download freely on the internet)

If you actually have a group that wants to use viruses to kill a lot of people that's dangerous.

I guess so...but the article itself says, "It is genetically different from the fully human H1N1 seasonal influenza virus that has been circulating globally for the past few years."

The journalist will call one biologist that researches virus and ask them: Well what kind of virus is this. Is it as dangerous as SARS or less dangerous? Then the biologist will explain to the journalist a lot about the virus and the journalist might understand halve of it and try to write an article to tell the public about what the experts think about the virus.

[ginkgo]

Here is an email I got about how to swindle people with the flu:

With all the sensationalized news about the so-called swine flu flying around, I figured we'd better set all the facts straight.

1. So far, only 82 cases of so-called swine flu have been definitively identified worldwide, mostly in Mexico (26 confirmed, 7 deaths) and the U.S.(with 40 confirmed, no deaths). (Though about 1600 suspected cases, including 159 deaths, are reported in Mexico.) That does not add up to a pandemic swine flu outbreak.

2. This virus has nothing to do with swine. In fact, it hasn't been seen in a single animal. And you can't possibly get it from eating pork.
No existing vaccines can prevent this new flu strain. So no matter what you hear – even if it comes from your doctor – don't get a regular flu shot. They rarely work against seasonal flu…and certainly can't offer protection from a never-before- seen strain.

3. Speaking of this strain, it doesn't seem to have come on naturally. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), this particular strain has never before been seen in pigs or people. And according to Reuters, the strain is a 'genetic mix' of swine, avian and human flu. Was it created in a lab? We don't know yet.

4. The drug companies are getting excited…and that's never a good thing. According to the Associated Press at least one financial analyst estimates up to $388 million worth of Tamiflu sales in the near future – and that's without a pandemic outbreak. Let's not forget that Tamiflu comes with its own problems, including side effects like nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, dizziness, fatigue, cough…the very symptoms you're trying to avoid. And let's not forget that Japan banned this drug for children back in 2007, after links to suicidal behavior.

5. Vaccines for this flu strain probably won't have to jump through all those annoying hurdles like clinical trials for safety and effectiveness. That won't, however, stop the government from mandating the vaccine for all of us – a very likely scenario. And if the vaccines are actually harmful…killing people, for example…the vaccine makers will be immune from lawsuits.

Your best defense – your only real defense in any flu season – is a bulletproof immune system.

[bman]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Your best defense – your only real defense in any flu season – is a bulletproof immune system.

You're outdated.

You need to read up on cytokine storm.


Your immune system overreacts and kills you.

That's why the death rate from such man-made virus is among 18-40 years old, fully able bodied servicemen capable of rebelling against the establishment.

The stronger your immunity, the easier you die when your cytokines flood your lungs and give you pneumonia.