cancer and diet

[lifetimelearner]

I watched patrick swayze talking with Barbara Walters the other night and one thing I remembered today was when Barbara asked him if he was on any type of special diet regimen

Patrick said that that would just feed the cancer more



so what do you guys think I have read studies on both for and against special diets,raw foods,herbs and such for healing illnesses


I have a brother-in-law fighting the after affects of having bileduct cancer -

it seems the cancer did not kill him-thank goodness -but all the treatments have made him into a sickly man



any thoughts ,experiences ?

[sepiagal]

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[TheHulaQueen]

Did he mean eating healthy would feed the cancer more? I didn't see it so don't quite get the context...

[sepiagal]

I thought his response was about nutrition and supplements and how increasing certain nutrients with supplements might feed the cancer's growth.

I could be wrong though.

And I probably remember it that way because I think that makes sense. Taking a lot of supplements without knowing exactly what your doing could make things worse.

A diet for someone with cancer and someone whose finished with cancer treatment might not be the same.

Cancer patients should eat lots of vegetables and fruit, something like an alkalizing diet.

Someone who has finished chemo might need to increase their iron levels, for example, because chemo can deplete iron or cause anemia I think. I think bulding up muscle might be a goal for someone who was pucking a lot or not eating a lot during treatment. This kind of diet might build up muscle and might also help tumor growth so I think there may be a difference for those battling cancer vs those finished with treatment.

Someone getting chemo might not have much appetite, or a digestive system that is weakened by the chemo or the radiation therapy so diet would be easily digested foods that they can get down and keep down.

But I do think its possible that an increase in some nutrients may help feed a tumor's growth. Optimal nutrition is an illusive goal that requires working with a skilled practioner with experience in this kind of treatment.

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by sepiagal

I thought his response was about nutrition and supplements and how increasing certain nutrients with supplements might feed the cancer's growth.

I could be wrong though.



But I do think its possible that an increase in some nutrients may help feed a tumor's growth. Optimal nutrition is an illusive goal that requires working with a skilled practioner with experience in this kind of treatment.

you are right that is what he said
I was just curious if you guys knew which nutrients and supplements might feed the cancer

[Dimond]

He's not at all into health, so he's not the best person to listen to. He's still smoking too. There are people getting healed of cancer all the time by eating healthy and using supplements.

Great website:
Healing Cancer Naturally With Food, Diet & Nutrition

[Dimond]

Could Politician's Cancer Been Cured by Raw Food Diet? - Associated Content

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by Dimond

Could Politician's Cancer Been Cured by Raw Food Diet? - Associated Content

that's a good article Dimond but one thing that Patrick Swayze said was -if there was a cure for cancer he would take it -he did not believe such a treatment was out there because he said if anybody had the cure they would be rich

I listened to the video again and Barbara asked about holistic treatment
and Patrick said that he was doing "very specific immune system chinese herbs"
but he said he was not doing any macro or micro diets because the advice given to him was that if you feed your body you feed the cancer

[sepiagal]

The problem with using nutrition to treat cancer, or to help the patient deal with the side effects of the cancer treatment, is that it is still considered on the fringe. Nutrition isn't completely mainstream and any theories about a particular nutritional approach would be considered questionable or controversial.
As far as feeding the body means you are feeding the cancer I think that is generally true. Some people think nutrition is something they can tinker with on their own without a physcian's supervision. Supplements are sold without a prescription, which may support that thinking.

But optimal nutrition is not all that easy to attain because it means every single nutrient a person needs is at optomal levels. There are bound to be imbalances - mineral imbalances, for perhaps.

Obtaining optimal nutrition requires frequent specialized tests which not all doctors know about. There is always the possibility that supplementing will cause new problems from those newly created imbalances.

I don't think there are that many doctors who have extensive experience using nutrition to treat or palliate cancer.

I thin Swayze was expressing his opinions based on his (limited) knowledge and experience. And that's all it is, his point of view.

But if anyone wanted to use a nutritional approach, as an adjunct or treatment, they would still want to research it extensively and find a doctor with a good many years of experience treating their type of cancer, I would think. Different types of cancers have different different types of tumors with different patterns of growth.

[runningbird]

According to mycologist Paul Stamets, 30 years of research shows that there are different types of mushrooms that have been found to help fight most types of cancers, including breast, cervical, colorectal, gastric, leukemia, liver, lung, melanoma, prostate, and sarcoma.

The exceptions being ovarian and pancreatic - there are no known edible species protective against these types.

[lifetimelearner]

I just would have thought that he -Patrick Swayze -
would be more interested in finding alternate therapies

I guess the best thing is always prevention

[Defiance]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

I just would have thought that he -Patrick Swayze -
would be more interested in finding alternate therapies

I guess the best thing is always prevention

It is just so sad. I wish he were open to the raw lifestyle. There are hundreds of stories online from people who were able to overcome cancers.

I met an ND once who specialized in reversing cancers. He was amazing and his advice changed my life. But he backed a truck up to the patient's house and removed every morsel of food, cleaning item, body care items, chemicals, etc, etc, even sometimes the carpet! Then he started all over with new, chemical-free products. It was very intense, but it worked for many people. He said he had a success rate of over 80% cancer remissions. I don't know how that was measured, but it was impressive nonetheless, given that chemotherapy is like 4% at best from what I have read. I don't want to say who he is, because he is aready being persecuted by the FDA and AMA for helping people without drugs and surgery. They don't want someone taking away the huge money machine that is the cancer industry! Too bad.

[lifetimelearner]

I know it is sad

and it's sad for so many people too that are suffering with cancer
and do not know about alternative treatments

we have it so backwards

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

I watched patrick swayze talking with Barbara Walters
and Barbara asked him if he was on any type of special diet regimen
Patrick said, that that would just feed the cancer more

I have a brother-in-law, fighting the after affects of having bileduct cancer -
it seems the cancer did not kill him -thank goodness -
but all the treatments have made him into a sickly man

any thoughts, experiences?

Yes, personal experience, plus helping others, including from cancering, heal.

You are right saying that "All the treatments made him into a sickly man" -
as Chemo, & Radiation (are battle-methods, used in wars).
War kills people; as obviously do Chemo, & Radiation's ionization-effects;
decades ago, by doctors well understood.

Diet, does not 'feed' cancer, but something clearly does:
Evidently deep-seated, negative, chronic emotions can, & do, start cells to cancer...
and unless healed, can destroy the person's life.

Many people, not changing their 'diet' - yet from cancering, heal.
This tells you that "diets" are not what's necessary.

Cancering will not take 'root, nor spread',
once a suffering person is helped to emotionally-heal. This is what people need, want, & are dying for.
.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

so what do you guys think I have read studies on both for and against special diets,raw foods,herbs and such for healing illnesses

I've been reading a lot about how most people have extremely low levels of vitamin D in their bloodstream. I'm on several nutrition groups, and even people who go out in the sun in warmer climates test shockingly low.

Life Extension Magazine just published a really great article about this:

"According to John Jacob Cannell, MD, founder of the non-profit Vitamin D Coun[cil]: "Current research indicates vitamin D deficiency plays a role in causing seventeen varieties of cancer as well as heart disease, stroke, hypertension, autoimmune diseases, diabetes, depression, chronic pain, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, muscle weakness, muscle wasting, birth defects, and periodontal disease."

The Vitamin D Council's website has excellent information on this vitamin, and "From Seafood to Sunshine--A New Understanding of Vitamin D Safety" is a good article for the layperson.

[Dan.Linehan]

Here is one of the few medical trials on the effects of the vegan diet on cancer.

Strict Veggie Diet May Help Prostate Cancer

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

that's a good article Dimond but one thing that Patrick Swayze said was -if there was a cure for cancer he would take it -he did not believe such a treatment was out there because he said if anybody had the cure they would be rich

That's one way of looking at it. On the other hand, maybe the cure is as simple as changing your diet and the products you use, etc. In that case, the evidence of that would be squashed because the people in cancer research, drugs, doctors, etc are all making huge money from cancer being an "uncurable disease." I don't know, maybe that's just my conspiracy theorist side talking!

Anecdotally, I can tell you that my cousin had cancer and was on chemo and radiation, but only started to imporove when she overhauled her entire diet and lifestyle. She's now cancer free.

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by liamona

I've been reading a lot about how most people have extremely low levels of vitamin D in their bloodstream. I'm on several nutrition groups, and even people who go out in the sun in warmer climates test shockingly low.

Life Extension Magazine just published a really great article about this:

"According to John Jacob Cannell, MD, founder of the non-profit Vitamin D Coun[cil]: "Current research indicates vitamin D deficiency plays a role in causing seventeen varieties of cancer as well as heart disease, stroke, hypertension, autoimmune diseases, diabetes, depression, chronic pain, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, muscle weakness, muscle wasting, birth defects, and periodontal disease."

The Vitamin D Council's website has excellent information on this vitamin, and "From Seafood to Sunshine--A New Understanding of Vitamin D Safety" is a good article for the layperson.

I did not know about that study thanks

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Here is one of the few medical trials on the effects of the vegan diet on cancer.

Strict Veggie Diet May Help Prostate Cancer

thanks Dan

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

That's one way of looking at it. On the other hand, maybe the cure is as simple as changing your diet and the products you use, etc. In that case, the evidence of that would be squashed because the people in cancer research, drugs, doctors, etc are all making huge money from cancer being an "uncurable disease." I don't know, maybe that's just my conspiracy theorist side talking!

Anecdotally, I can tell you that my cousin had cancer and was on chemo and radiation, but only started to imporove when she overhauled her entire diet and lifestyle. She's now cancer free.

I am so happy for your cousin

thanks

[lifetimelearner]

I found out that the doctors told my sis that my brother-in-laws type of cancer -bile duct cancer-has been shown to be caused by seafood

anybody ever heard of that ?

[liamona]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

I found out that the doctors told my sis that my brother-in-laws type of cancer -bile duct cancer-has been shown to be caused by seafood

anybody ever heard of that ?

I wouldn't be surprised—most seafood now is farm-raised in China, and people probably don't realize it (especially if they don't read labels). In addition, wild seafood usually costs a lot more, just like any other high-quality food does as opposed to mass-produced ones.

[AskMissK]

I really don't think that waiting for cancer to increase fruits, vegetables and slow foods in your dietis a good idea.

We should be eating the highest levels of food all the time ... especially when we are healthy in order to stay that way and keep a strong body.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

if there was a cure for cancer he would take it -

he did not believe such a treatment was out there

because he said if anybody had the cure they would be rich

maybe, yes, & yes, depending on how you define "rich"

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by AskMissK

I really don't think that waiting for cancer to increase fruits, vegetables and slow foods in your dietis a good idea.

We should be eating the highest levels of food all the time ... especially when we are healthy in order to stay that way and keep a strong body.

yeh I understand that -what exactly are slow foods ?

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

maybe, yes, & yes, depending on how you define "rich"

I guess rich in the sense that there would be a great profit in a cure

[sk8joyful]

RE: "According to John Jacob Cannell, MD, founder of the non-profit Vitamin D Coun[cil]: "Current research indicates vitamin D deficiency plays a role in causing seventeen varieties of cancer as well as heart disease, stroke, hypertension, autoimmune diseases, diabetes, depression, chronic pain, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, muscle weakness, muscle wasting, birth defects, and periodontal disease."
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FYI, cancers are not caused by a "vitamin-D" deficiency.

Too many read something by an MD, or other religious priests, or professionals, & allow themselves to BELIEF "that must be true".

So people,
never their vitamin-D examined, yet self-healed their cancers, etc, etc. - should not have succeeded?? Imagine that!

[liamona]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

FYI, cancers are not caused by a "vitamin-D" deficiency.

Too many read something by an MD, or other religious priests, or professionals, & allow themselves to BELIEF "that must be true".

I totally see your point. I am also working on my beliefs, especially about "needing" any sort of expert, be they MDs or homeopaths, to cure me. Right now, I still believe that a certain diet and supplements help me, so I continue eating/taking them.

Although it's possible to have a sudden, miraculous change in beliefs, I think most people benefit from taking baby steps, especially if they've been relying on the allopathic medical model for most of their lives. Using the technique of eating a "healthy" diet is a nice bridge to changing beliefs about health.

[lifetimelearner]

seems these days that so many people are developing cancer
what's the deal ?
can we not escape it ?

it seems everywhere you turn someone has a theory

so what is a person supposed to do ?

I learned in nursing school that cancer is a normal cell that goes 'rogue'
it does not attack you it evolves inside you

so you could have this happening for years and not know it

when I was 23 I had a pap smear and they found pre-cancerous cells
so they froze them off

and kids they have cancer at such a young age
how does this happen -DNA?

[Liveformx64]

I believe for the most part cancer is a result of lifestyle and mindset.

Cancer was exceptionally rare before the industrial revolution. The chemical compounds and synthetics that have been introduced into our society are the antithesis of our biological structure.

Show me one raw/vegan who exercises regularly, doesn't consume alcohol or tobacco that has gotten cancer.

Cancer is a billion dollar industry, that will not be cured strictly because of the economic momentum it carries.

The people will learn to prevent cancer long before the bureaucracy ever finds a cure.

But remember this, most people would rather die than change their habits. We see this every day.