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[Akashic_Librarian]

Just read this: Anthropological Research Reveals Optimal Human Diet by H. Leon Abrams, Jr.

then read this:

Look at the letter at the start of the website:

"Dear Mr. Rieske,

How can I ever thank you? Your knowledge, insight, honesty, and courage contained in your articles have significantly improved the quality of my life!

I am now 37 years old. From the ages of 25 to 36 I had adopted a predominantly vegetarian lifestyle. Over the years I have developed a mild case of degenerative disk disease, constant headaches, and a severe case of Candida (and perhaps leaky gut). I started to figure out that something was definitely wrong. The mainstream nutritional advice had definitely steered me in the wrong direction.

I have been eating a "clean" and "natural" diet for several months now on red meat, fish, fowl, a small amount of veggies and berries (I can't help it, I love berries). My headaches have disappeared! I went from 172 lbs (at 5'8" tall) to 158 lbs! I have no constipation nor diarrhea (which was at one time constant)! I think clearly, my mood is better, and I feel great!

You have made a huge impact on my life, and I am grateful. I have discussed your information and website with every person in my social circle as it is all I can seem to do to help others as you've helped me.

Thanks again, and God Bless,
Stuart"


This is Grade-A Propaganda, Vegetarians and Vegans are the healthiest people ON EARTH. Vegetarians/Vegans/Rawists LIVE LONGER. We don't die of Degenerative disease, the poor man is either lying or isn't taking in to account other health factors.


"Meat does not "putrify" in the digestive tract as claimed by vegetarians.. Don't believe their nonsense and lies."

If this man is serious why on Gods earth is he acting like Vegetarians are horrific satanists that want to kill you all?!

"Don't believe their nonsense and lies." Oh ok. So instead we should believe that Saturated Fats are HEALTHY?!?!?!?!?

"Beef, lamb and pork with saturated fats are very healthy foods." Is this guy an Idiot?

"There is no positive or direct proof that high cholesterol levels results in heart disease."

Sorry to dissapoint you mate but actually High Cholesterol is the #1 cause of Heart Disease. Fact!

Just to finish up look at somemore of this guys pathetic articles:

Drugs and Doctors May be the Third Leading Cause of Death in U.S.

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False.

Pharmaceutical firms are inventing diseases to sell more drugs.


Also I am in no way saying this is a connection ( )

But this is a CHRISTIAN SITE.

Now in my opinion this is a site put out by the American government designed to keep people fat, unhealthy and totally useless!

Now, we are intelligent people can anyone say they believe this freak?

[gberardi]

To be honest, the entire website looks like it was made with a template from a lot of "I'm selling something to you while trying to make it look like you decided all along that you would be buying" websites. Just the font and the incredibly long page makes me feel like I should be on guard against a scam of some kind.

That said, I wouldn't immediately call the author an idiot. For one thing, it made me realize that there seems to be a lot of resistance to diets. I originally thought I would only hear things from family and friends, comments such as "Oh, I just think that moderation is key" or "But isn't dairy good for your bones?" or any other thing that we grew up "knowing" that was in fact indoctrinated into us since birth.

While looking at the website, I found that a lot of the references were to biblelife.com. A lot of the explanations were statements of fact...and apparently you just have to trust that they have their sources checked or make a cognitive jump from what was stated in one article to what was stated on the site.

There was, however, a good section that complained about the idea that red meat causes cancer. Apparently they show that it isn't unprocessed red meat that causes cancer but processed meat. Is it possible that no study has shown that unprocessed meat can cause cancer? Perhaps it is true.

Maybe it isn't a vegan diet so much as a diet that isn't processed. It was a suggestion I once read when I was trying to look up information that would counter what was stated in "The China Study". However, I personally have not found much out there that suggests eating more meat would be good for me until you pointed this site out.

It's a different viewpoint, and maybe I will find some good info on it, but so far, the website and its method of trying to scare me from the evils of vegetarianism isn't exactly convincing me that it is based on sound, scientific evidence. When I read "The China Study", I already had an opinion against Dr. Atkins, but I remember thinking that the author spent an awful lot of time in one chapter villifying him.

And the only real reason why I am even entertaining the idea of questioning the health benefits of a vegan diet is because I am in my third month of eating a vegan diet and I don't think I feel "clear headed" or "healthier". Maybe my diet is far from optimal? I don't know. Any info I find just gives me more understanding to make the best decision. For all I know, my vegan diet isn't varied enough, and my brain is slowly deteriorating while I am getting insufficient B12. Perhaps I just don't exercise enough, or maybe when I start exercising more I will find that I don't eat nearly enough to make up for the fact that a vegan diet isn't as calorie dense as I am used to. Maybe there is good evidence to suggest that eating unprocessed meat is perfectly fine and healthy.

For now, it seems that I will have to keep looking for evidence since the only strong evidence I ever see in support of non-vegan food is "Those studies are flawed and don't disprove that eating meat may be possibly ok for your body", which gives me such confidence. B-)

[gberardi]

Actually, I see a long list of references, so I was a bit hasty to say that there were cognitive leaps.

It still looks like a scam (I hate the format!), but I have to say that there is a lot of evidence to at least give one pause. I still wonder why the human body, if it is designed to eat plants, will tolerate meat so well. Can it be explained away as the body doing a great job to eliminate waste and poison, or is it that animal-based foods are perfectly fine?

"There is no positive or direct proof that high cholesterol levels results in heart disease."

Sorry to dissapoint you mate but actually High Cholesterol is the #1 cause of Heart Disease. Fact!

Ok, but where is the proof, then? B-)

As for the articles, the one about inventing diseases came from the BBC, which I would trust by reputation much more readily.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Heart Disease - Causes of Heart Disease

Nutrition, Health & Heart Disease; Cause & Prevention

Heart Disease


A quick Google revealed the truth, A few people are saying Cholesterol is not a cause but there is more relelvant data in a larger quantity that says it IS THE CAUSE

[gberardi]

While I agree with you and believe in the dangers of saturated fats and high cholesterol, those sites look only marginally more trustworthy than the one you are complaining against and seem to make assertions that also have nothing readily available to back them up. It is easy for a person to say "Wow, finding good info is hard because it seems anyone can post anything and make it look like fact" and give up on finding an ideal diet.

It's funny that once you go into it, you find that diet is a very complex thing. I've concluded that I shouldn't need a supplement because I would like to believe that God and/or nature provided everything we would need before there were drug companies. After that, I don't know if continuing a vegan diet would be ideal because to support that idea I have to do the same thing that you are complaining about: use "proof" supported by a minority of scientists.

According to The China Study, I am supposed to ignore studies that say "everything in moderation" or that dairy is good for me, but then I need to justify my choices the ones that support a whole foods, plant-based diet?

Don't get me wrong. I thought it was well explained, and as I said, I haven't found anything that indicates animal-based food is anything better than not definitively proven to be bad for me. But perhaps there is something to the idea that processed food is bad, and that unprocessed food is perfectly fine, even if it was animal-based? As the website seems to indicate, some studies are passed off as a condemnation against red meat when in fact they may be just a condemnation against processed meat. While I don't think I could believe all of the "facts" it supposes, I have friends who would have a hard time believing the "facts" about the health benefits of being a vegan. My getting a cold over Christmas break didn't help convince anyone, either. B-)

[Matthew Shea]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Also I am in no way saying this is a connection ( )

But this is a CHRISTIAN SITE.

Not very, IMHO. Look up Romans 14:1-4. Vegetarianism is referenced in that passage (although it isn't the main point of the passage) as being distinctly not a moral issue. St. Paul does denigrate vegetarianism in a way, saying that such people are weak in faith, but makes it very clear that God accepts you whether you eat animals or plants or both.

The main point of the passage is that people of good virtue should not waste their energy disputing things that have no moral significance. I know many people on this site will take exception with Paul's choice of vegetarians as an example, but to understand the point better, you can substitute a whole host of other issues (table vs. booth or window vs. aisle seating for example) and still come out with the same basic meaning. Either way, a web site purporting itself to be a Christian site should not be posting material denouncing people for the way they eat or supporting a particular diet.