Veganism in a subjective reality

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Fat is stored energy. Eating more calories than you burn makes you fat. You're more likely to store fat from eating too many (and the wrong kind) carbohydrates than you are from eating fat.

This is incorrect, The Asian (Japanese , Korean , Chinese & Southeast asian who reside in their respective nation ) eat significantly more carbohydrates (rice, bean, vege) than the western and American friends . But why are they so much leaner ?

The answer is in the China study , Come on It's only 12 bucks for 20-30+ years of peer reviewed nutritional research by Dr Campbell . This could be one of the best books you have ever read .

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Saturated Fat and Cholesterol Are Bad for You

The Atkins Diet restricts foods that prevent disease and encourages foods that promote disease.[380] No matter what Atkins or other diet books tell people, the balance of evidence clearly shows that the intake of saturated animal fat is associated with increased risk of cancer,[381-382] diabetes, and heart disease.[383] For over 40 years, medical reviews have also shown the detrimental impact of dietary cholesterol consumption.[384] Even independent of the effects on obesity, meat consumption itself has been related to an increased risk of coronary heart disease.[385]

The best dietary strategy to reduce one's risk of dying from the number 1 killer in the U.S. is to reduce one's consumption of saturated fat and cholesterol. The evidence backing this, according to the American Heart Association, is "overwhelming."[386]

Decreasing America's intake of saturated animal fat is the primary reason why Johns Hopkins, supported by 28 other public health schools, launched the Meatless Mondays campaign, trying to get Americans to cut meat out of their diet at least one day of the week.[387] Dr. Jean Mayer, one of the most noted nutrition figures in history-- author of over 750 scientific articles, President of Tufts University, recipient of 16 honorary degrees--warned those going on "this faddish high-saturated-fat high-cholesterol [Atkins] diet" that you may be "playing Russian roulette with your heart and with your blood vessels."[388] "The Council," wrote the American Medical Association in their official critique of the Atkins Diet, "is deeply concerned about any diet that advocates an 'unlimited' intake of saturated fats and cholesterol-rich foods."[389]

In return, Atkins accused the American Medical Association of being in the pockets of carbohydrate manufacturers. “If you look at the financial records of the AMA and the Harvard School of Nutrition,” said Atkins in an interview, “and see the list of their benefactors, advertisers, and endowers you'll see why they insist on our eating carbohydrates."[486]

Interestingly, the Atkins Corporation seems like it's already backpedaling. A front page article in the New York Times revealed that the Atkins Corporation was quietly telling people to restrict their bacon and butter intake, urging people to keep saturated fat intake under 20% of calories.[390] Though nearly every major health organization in the world recommends less than half that amount, Atkins' change in policy does at least show that the Atkins Corporation may be recognizing some of the dangers of their diet.[391]

The Atkins Corporation claimed that their saturated fat guideline was nothing new and that Atkins never said people could eat as much meat as they wanted. They blamed the media for just misconstruing the Atkins Diet as an eat-as-much-meat-as-you-want diet.[392] Really? Atkins wrote, "There is no limit to the amount of... [any kind of meat in any quantity] you can eat... You eat as much as you want, as often as you want" (emphasis in original.)[393] In fact he specifically boasts that his diet "Sets no limit on the amount of food you can eat."[394] Maybe the media got it right.

The Director of Research and Education at Atkins Nutritionals claims that "Saturated fat isn't as much of an issue when carbohydrates are controlled; it's only dangerous in excess when carbs are high." Dr. Frank M. Sacks, a professor of cardiovascular disease prevention at the Harvard School of Public Health, scoffed at such a claim. "What they are saying is ridiculous," he said. The revision down to 20% saturated fat, he added, "has nothing to do with science; it has to do with public relations and politics."[395]

[thef0x]

Originally Posted by Dolazy

If I understood the articles about subjective reality correctly, then veganism will only be beneficial if you believe it to be. There would be no objective reason to believe that being vegan is healthier than being a meat eater. Which lifestyle is healthier would be 100% dependent on your own beliefs.

So I wonder if it makes sense to choose to live vegan if you also believe in a subjective reality?

Anyone feel free to share your thoughts, I am eager to learn about them.

Francis

I disagree with you entirely based on the premise that the body as an organism is not separate from the mind, and therefore one's diet does affect their 'reality'.

We know that eating a balanced diet requires an array of food.

Choosing not to eat meat, based on your bodies physiology, creates certain affects within your body.

You are an organism, changing what you eat will change the way you feel.

I believe there is no mind and body divide here, and I think there is objective validity to changing your diet.




Personally I've noticed the changes when dropping all meat except fish from my diet. I also began to stuff veggies in my stomach (hungry!) and way more whole grains (long grained rice). I quit drinking all caffeine and anything carbonated (no soda). I don't eat treats (simple sugar) during the day.

Now I have more focused energy than I ever could've imagined.

So I think your whole thread is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Sorry. Please let me know what you think.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by thef0x

I disagree with you entirely based on the premise that the body as an organism is not separate from the mind, and therefore one's diet does affect their 'reality'.

We know that eating a balanced diet requires an array of food.

Choosing not to eat meat, based on your bodies physiology, creates certain affects within your body.

You are an organism, changing what you eat will change the way you feel.

I believe there is no mind and body divide here, and I think there is objective validity to changing your diet.




Personally I've noticed the changes when dropping all meat except fish from my diet. I also began to stuff veggies in my stomach (hungry!) and way more whole grains (long grained rice). I quit drinking all caffeine and anything carbonated (no soda). I don't eat treats (simple sugar) during the day.

Now I have more focused energy than I ever could've imagined.

So I think your whole thread is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Sorry. Please let me know what you think.

Hi thefox

I think you could be a tad more diplomatic in your closing statement.

Other than that, I agree with you that I do not see any division of mind and body.

Dualism and Materialism have been an area I have read for years whilst doing my Bachelors Degree in Philosophy and afterwards.

Much of the Dualists arguments are emotionally tied to hocus pocus and religion. Descartes who may possibly be the most influential mind over the past 500 years, even got fuddled with dualism because of his devotion to (and no doubt wariness) of the RC Church.

There really is no grounds to believe that dualism exists and to use an old philosophers toolbox: Better to apply occams razor -(all things being equal- adopt the simpler solution) than go off in wild tangents about Cartesian dualism, substance dualism, epiphenomenalism etc etc.

[Dolazy]

Originally Posted by thef0x

I believe there is no mind and body divide here, and I think there is objective validity to changing your diet.

So do I. I don't believe reality to be subjective. But from those who do believe in it I wanted to know how veganism fits in.

[JoaquinFox]

I don't think this thread is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...I feel like it's a great opportunity to learn from one another. Using veganism as a vehicle for understanding subjective reality is pretty cool. And besides, the original thread was phrased as a question not as some determinate fact. What's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about asking a question?

[Scott B]

I don't label myself nor hold up a standing belief because I find more than one side to everything. That said, subjective reality to me is a lot like interpretations of the subconscious mind where everything is representative of you. Like war. War is there and I'd prefer it gone but perhaps an unconscious part of me requires it. Like veganism. There's the belief and then underneath that is a more complex plan or game you have set up to teach yourself something. I have muscular dystrophy and on the surface I want it gone, but beneath that, I am a very unique person with a unique perspective...one I wouldn't have had if I didn't have this disease. For you to be in total control, you need to know more than the surface for it to work absolutely.

[Jaben]

Those of you who are rejecting dualism don't seem to be accepting nondualism; do you believe then that consciousness is no more than a function of the nervous system of the body? Stephen employed occams razor, but doesn't that require that we ignore the implications of intention/manifestation or chalk it up to New Age nonesense? The implications of quantum physics don't fit very well under this paradigm either.

I used duality in my description of a multi avatar subjective reality, but I still think that it fits under nondualism.