The world's simplest cure for cancer

[Dan.Linehan]

Documentary coming out that might interest many here...

Movie Trailers - The Beautiful Truth

[restless]

There is a wikipedia entry about this therapy: Max Gerson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. According to the article, there is no scientific evidence that this treatment works. Personally, if I had a serious illness, I would trust only treatments that are scientifically approved and where there is objective evidence that the treatment can work.
I wouldn't chose a treatment which is "considered unsupported and potentially hazardous by medical organizations, including the American Medical Association and the American Cancer Society." (Wikipedia, sources are linked there).

But of course there are people who are willing to try alternative treatments in such a situation, e.g. because they don't believe in mainstream medical science.

[Bud921]

Restless,


There a hundreds of PROVEN natural cures out there, yet the medical industry keeps these cures in the dark. Why? Because you can't make profit off NATURAL CURES. I respect your perspective, but our health industry is beyond failure. We spend more money on health care than any other nation in the world yet we don't even rank in the top 10 , or even top 30 in terms of health, depending on who you ask.

[ruchirkc]

Originally Posted by restless

There is a wikipedia entry about this therapy: Max Gerson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. According to the article, there is no scientific evidence that this treatment works. Personally, if I had a serious illness, I would trust only treatments that are scientifically approved and where there is objective evidence that the treatment can work.
I wouldn't chose a treatment which is "considered unsupported and potentially hazardous by medical organizations, including the American Medical Association and the American Cancer Society." (Wikipedia, sources are linked there).

But of course there are people who are willing to try alternative treatments in such a situation, e.g. because they don't believe in mainstream medical science.

Anything's better than chemo...

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by restless

There is a wikipedia entry about this therapy: Max Gerson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. According to the article, there is no scientific evidence that this treatment works. Personally, if I had a serious illness, I would trust only treatments that are scientifically approved and where there is objective evidence that the treatment can work.
I wouldn't chose a treatment which is "considered unsupported and potentially hazardous by medical organizations, including the American Medical Association and the American Cancer Society." (Wikipedia, sources are linked there).

But of course there are people who are willing to try alternative treatments in such a situation, e.g. because they don't believe in mainstream medical science.

It isn't scientifically proven, because they define this when it is being tested by a double blind study.

That is, of course, impossible with diet.

So, whatever happens, with this definition, it can never be proven scientifically.

[funchy]

I would not trust my life entirely to an unproven diet theory when we know the survival rates can be good with chemo, drugs, and radiation. Not to say diet isn't important... but it's too big of a gamble too take to refuse medical help.

I had a friend get breast cancer. She tried to treat it with macrobiotic diet, raw diet, and supplements. She still ended up going in for the medical approach anyway, and she is remains cancer free.

The longer you wait before starting cancer treatment, the lower your odds for survival are.

It isn't scientifically proven, because they define this when it is being tested by a double blind study. That is, of course, impossible with diet.

You absolutely can do a double-blind study on diet components.

Let's say he thinks the secret to the diet is the unprocessed, organic items. Find identical food items that aren't organic and might be processed/preserved. Make both look the same so participants or workers can't tell the difference. Then feed half your study out of unlabeled boxes containing unprocessed-organic and the other half get ordinary food. Record the results.

He thinks it's also chemicals in the environment. That's an easy one. Create two groups. In the living area of one, you have flouridated tap water, unfiltered air, etc. In the other living area, everything is clean, filtered, and chemical-free.

The problems with his studies:
- his 50 people did not live a controlled life, so it might've been other factors that affected their health
- I don't see any consideration made for ethic group (genetics), age, geography (eg. local pollution sources), and lifestyle.
- it was not studied in a controlled manner. It was anecdotal: him telling us that he helped person X and person X is cured.

He doesn't even know what elements in his diet were getting the supposed results. Maybe diet didn't matter at all, and it was the laetrile that helped the body kill the cancer cells? Or maybe it was something else entirely? (Laetrile was marketed for years as a cancer treatment but when it failed to produce results in controlled tests, it fell out of favor)

I see that Wikipedia also notes that people have died doing coffee enemas, a required element of his approach. Is it better to die from cancer or die from colitis?

Sorry... I am just skeptical by nature.

[lovelyn]

I just watched the trailer to the movie and read the Wikipedia page about Gerson and I have to say that I'm a bit skeptical too. I agree that food is medicine and having a good diet with lots of fruits and vegetables is important. Whole foods are always much better than processed foods. The coffee enema thing seems a bit dodgy to me though.

[Rawvolta]

This is an Institute that helped tousends of people : Ann Wigmore Institute .:. Home Page

It is beyond organic, Funchy.
The organic is weak this time also and lacks a lot.

Cancer is a FUNGUS. Period.
Read the book : Cancer is a fungus - the book by Dr. T. Simoncini
It can only leave in no-oxygen environment .

Chemo kills cancer cells and good cells also and is a torture - I know people who went through that and cancer came back.

One need to clean the environment when the cancer grows-the body, not by just weakening the cancer strength but providing oxygenated env., for example.

There is so many data about natural cures and as soon as person takes the life into his/her hands - everything is curable.

But it is hard to take a responsibility and actually DO something instead of relying on some chemicals /pills which one has to anyway - digest.

In healthy body cancer can't live.

If it is there, it IS BECAUSE OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUTTING INTO THE BODY.

I am not sure if there will be a time when people will actually get it.
And i know why - because it needs an effort.

I am just coming back from farmers market.
All my food comes from HERE.

I talked to the owner of a company and he says that he sort of lost a third of people who are on home delivery program.
Also, he was driving by McDonald and the parking was full.

well--you see , each of us has a choice.
For me-there is nothing more important then WHAT I AM PUTTING INTO MY BODY. How, otherwise would I exist.

It does not matter-the economy...
I won't go to the movie next time or skip the shopping fun...
I bought ocean grown greens and will juice, blend them all week.
That is my VOTE and Choice.

Wish you all the best weekend!

[funchy]

Originally Posted by Rawvolta

It is beyond organic, Funchy.
The organic is weak this time also and lacks a lot.

Cancer is a FUNGUS. Period.
Read the book : Cancer is a fungus - the book by Dr. T. Simoncini
It can only leave in no-oxygen environment .

Cancer is a failure in the cell's normal cell-cycle control. I can't find any medical studies that prove it's a normal reaction to candida overgrowth.

I am not yet convinced it all comes down to a candida overgrowth. While Candida does live in an anaerobic environment. Cancer cells do need oxygen; even know they're abnormal, they're still eukaryote animal cells needing oxygen in utilizing energy.

I googled to read up more on this theory, since the Simoncini site doesn't go into much detail. I find statements on other sites such as "we see candida overgrowths when our cancer patients come to us." Could it be just as likely the cancer is weakening the body, allowing indirectly for problems such as candida overgrowth? How do we know candida is related at all? U Md Health center states "90 percent of all people with HIV/AIDS develop candida infections" and we know AIDS is caused by a virus and not candida.

If candida overgrowth causes cancer, why doesn't a woman get cancer in her reproductive tract after a candida (Yeast infection) problem? Yeast infections in women aren't rare.
Candidiasis

One site states: "Candida make an alcohol as a by-product of their very existence, and this alcohol feeds cancer cells. "
"Alcohol" is simply the name of a functional group of an organic molecule with a -OH attached. (-oxygen-hydrogen bonded to a hydrocarbon-based molecule) I'm getting very vague information which alcohol(s) these cancer yeasts cause to really be able to judge this. Why don't they tell me?

And, if any sort of alcohol is all cancer cells need to grow, heavy drinkers should sicken immediately as soon as cancer cells appear. It should be easy to prove, but I am not seeing any studies that show drinking allowed cancer to grow.

I am also confused. The theory is that candida causes cancer and allows it to grow. If you google candida overgrowth, you get diets to kill the candida off. But the anti-candida diets seem to go against usual "good food" recommendations. For example fruit is evil according to the candida diets due to sugar, but now we're losing antioxidants and fiber. Veal, lamb, and pork are suddenly health foods, despite all the saturated fat, cholesterol, contaminants (antibiotics, absorbed pesticides, etc), and other heath warnings.

Sorry... I don't mean to be so negative. I am just skeptical by nature, and I need more information before I'm going to believe this theory.

[Airblade]

Funchy, thanks for the perspective. I find far to much on this board there is an absolute tendency towards one extreme or the other. Remember everyone, correlation doesn't equal causation. I don't agree with 90% of the stuff in the medical field, but I also don't agree with 90% in the "new age health movement". I think a lot of times both sides are extremely close minded.

Diet is about 20% of health. There are a multitude of factors that one cannot even imagine when evaluating their general well being (genes, stress levels, exercise, sunlight, social interactions etc). I personally believe balance is key.

When someone looks at solely diet to solve their woes it's like trying to draw a whole picture when you only have a small piece of the puzzle to work with.

[Rawvolta]

Candida is just one type of fungus.
What does it mean : " Diet is about 20% of health "?
Where is it written?- i guess we are talking about "written " evidence at this point.

[Airblade]

That 20% number was arbitrary... I don't think anyone knows the true percentage. :P

[Rawvolta]

But this is the point...
WHo knows...
If I can't exist without water and food after certain time, doesn't it says by itself, that this is the main source of How healthy, long my life is?

[Fullcrum]

The Ann Wigmore Institute and the Tree of Life Rejuvination Center cures many people of cancer and other ailments every year. I do not see what the big debate is - lifestyle cures cancer unless you're about to die from it.

[rosegold]

Originally Posted by Bud921

Restless,


There a hundreds of PROVEN natural cures out there, yet the medical industry keeps these cures in the dark. Why? Because you can't make profit off NATURAL CURES. I respect your perspective, but our health industry is beyond failure. We spend more money on health care than any other nation in the world yet we don't even rank in the top 10 , or even top 30 in terms of health, depending on who you ask.

encore.

What are some of the natural cures? A natural cure for cold for example?

[rosegold]

Originally Posted by Bud921

Restless,


There a hundreds of PROVEN natural cures out there, yet the medical industry keeps these cures in the dark. Why? Because you can't make profit off NATURAL CURES. I respect your perspective, but our health industry is beyond failure. We spend more money on health care than any other nation in the world yet we don't even rank in the top 10 , or even top 30 in terms of health, depending on who you ask.

Refreshing and enlightening post.

What are some of the natural cures? A natural cure for cold for example?

[Fullcrum]

A natural cure for all disease is prevention through lifestyle choices.

Principally food choices, physical activity, mental stress and sunlight.

I bet you will never get cancer if you do these things right. Just like every other organism on the planet.

[Rawvolta]

I have not have a cold since..years.
Lifestyle ( all ingredients of it ) is the only "natural" answer.

Also, being vegan did not give me the answers ( I was still doing some weird pastas and lots of starchy foods ).

For me - there is no shortcut ( pill, flu shot ..whatever ).

About the coffee enemas ( I did not see the movie ) somebody mentioned ; I did some of them and they did not agree with me.
To big of a stimulant.

[Brutha]

Cancer is not an illness, it's many illnesses. Finding that one cancer is caused by factor X doesn't mean that all cancers are caused by factor X.

I don't think that there would be a motive for the medical community from an altanative medicine perspective to surpress knowledge of candida causing cancer. Afterall you can attack candida with chemical drugs.

There even are scientist working to fight candida infections in cancer patients (Google Scholar shows 50.000 hits for the search candida cancer). If one of them could show that candida is the cause of cancer he would get a Nobel prize.
Scientist generally like Nobel prizes.

If I can't exist without water and food after certain time, doesn't it says by itself, that this is the main source of How healthy, long my life is?

No, it doesn't at all.

[Rawvolta]

" No, it doesn't at all. "
Than what does?

So big a discovery was this, that Otto Warburg was awarded the Nobel Prize.

Cancer has only one prime cause. It is the replacement of normal oxygen respiration of the body's cells by an anaerobic [i.e., oxygen-deficient] cell respiration. -Dr. Otto Warburg

[Rawvolta]

I have never said that candida is a cause of cancer.
I said that cancer in a fungus ( no oxygen environment is one of the causes ).
And I will sure give some studies that I don't have handy now, that show that people with cancer always have some kind of fungus.

[Rawvolta]

And we all know this one, right ?

CRAZY SEXY CANCER

YOU TUBE trailer

[Brutha]

Cancer has only one prime cause. It is the replacement of normal oxygen respiration of the body's cells by an anaerobic [i.e., oxygen-deficient] cell respiration. -Dr. Otto Warburg

Our understanding of cancer has evolved a bit since 1938 when Warburg died.
In addition I haven't argued that the Nobel prize increases the authority of an argument but that it increases incentives for scientific discovery.

"No, it doesn't at all. "
Than what does?

Not being hit by an astroid is also essential for being living. According to that logic we should focus a lot more on not getting hit by astroids.
Water and food do give the body energy that the body needs, but that doesn't mean that the body doesn't need other things as well.
Getting hit by a truck for example is generally considered to reduce lifespan even when one has a healthy diet.

I said that cancer in a fungus ( no oxygen environment is one of the causes ).

You said: "Cancer is a fungus."
Additionally candida seems to be the fungus that you worry about.

By what mechanism do you think that candida (or another fungus) creates your low oxygen enviroment?

[wachusettgirl]

Originally Posted by Brutha

If one of them could show that candida is the cause of cancer he would get a Nobel prize.
Scientist generally like Nobel prizes.

Exactly. Or for that matter, if someone in the scientific or "medical community" came up with a cure for any cancer, they would not only win a Nobel Prize in medicine, but become incredibly wealthy, and go down in history for helping mankind. I agree that some large drug and chemical corporations are very powerful, and can be driven by profits over the safety and well-being of people at times. I also agree that our western model of healthcare is lacking when it comes to treating chronic diseases, and that a major shift towards more holistic modalities, including diet and lifestyle changes, is imperative. But I don't believe that there is some sort of agreement or conspiracy within the scientific community to withhold advances from the public.

It truely would be a beautiful thing if a protocol as simple as diet and cleansing was shown to be more effective than chemo and radiation for the treatment of cancer. That would be incredible, and I'm very hopeful that it is true.

[Rawvolta]

Or - if THEY ( because THEY have a power to find the answer for US ) will figure out how to not get cavities anymore...
Common... THEY don't want you to be well and healthy, so there won't be anybody who will get wealthy buy helping others ( finding a cause of cancer or whatever ) They want send people for expensive chemos...

I am amazed by how people gave away the power to decide what is best for them.

And this deattachment to our bodies - like the body does a job for itself and we are on the side.. eating whatever, doing whatever.

Otto Warburg was just an example of cancer = no oxygen--> Nobel.

And I am saying about things PEOPLE CAN HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON.
You don't have one when the truck hits you.
You do in every moment when you go shopping for food or when grow your own.

I am happy not to worry about candida;-)
I said cancer is fungus.
What is funny the test AMAS says about potential fungus in a body and therefor - cancer.

Candida does not create the low oxygen environment.
The man-made low oxygen environment creates candida.

[Brutha]

I said cancer is fungus.

Which fungus?

Otto Warburg was just an example of cancer = no oxygen--> Nobel.

He didn't get his nobel for working on cancer but for "for his discovery of the nature and mode of action of the respiratory enzyme"

Candida does not create the low oxygen environment.
The made-men low oxygen environment creates candida.

So you think it's "low oxygen environment"->candida->cancer?

Common... THEY don't want you to be well and healthy,

Do you think that pessimism and believing that people are out to get you, is a positive belief to have?

[wachusettgirl]

Originally Posted by Brutha

He didn't get his nobel for working on cancer but for "for his discovery of the nature and mode of action of the respiratory enzyme"

Right, and it was 77 years ago...

[Rawvolta]

haha!

This is not pessimism! It is realism and I am totally optimistic about my power to influence my life!
I don't count on others in this matter. I am not waiting for somebody to heal me, to free me ..;-) That is all.

Let's forget about Otto. I woudn't go there, if Brutha woudn't mention Nobel and scientist and.. you know..Einstein is pretty old guy ;-) today, but he influenced us quite a bit ;-).

" So you think it's "low oxygen environment"->candida->cancer?"

I think there is a connection between them.
Candida does not necessary mean cancer. Cancer is a type of fungus.
That's what study shows ( and, freak! I don't have a book with me, but give me a minute..)
It also doesn't matter what I think.

I can repeat study of people who devote lives in researching, right ?
That is what we all present here.

[Rawvolta]

Neither I have an answer, nor you ;-)
Otherwise one of us would be wealthy, regarding your suggestions ;-)

But we observe, read people stories ( how they cured and so on..) and I've talked to Sexy Crazy Cancer girl.
And I've talked to people who went to places where they sprout , juice sprouts and do amazing things with beyond organic food.
We've talked about these Institutes already.

[Brutha]

But we observe, read people stories ( how they cured and so on..)

I actually having had a few courses in cell biology at university which give me a bit of a framework to evaluate arguments.

I don't deny that there are some people who have used alternative methods to get healed from cancer. That however doesn't mean that those methods work always or that the underlying theories behind those methods make sense.

Neither I have an answer, nor you ;-)

To what question?

Candida does not necessary mean cancer. Cancer is a type of fungus.

Fungus is a word that used to mean a species. Cancer cell have human DNA (which is a bit mutated). Is there are somewhere cells that don't have human DNA but some fungus DNA, that's a species. That species should have a name.