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Old 09-16-2008, 07:07 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I am not sure I understand what people mean when they say detox in this context. The body has evolved a very efficient liver that disposes of stuff that isn't needed and might not be wanted. This must be an ongoing process, and it must be triggered off by the presence of toxins.

The only way that changing to a raw diet might affect the detox system is if it is providing some factor previously missing that allows a pre-existing detox process to kick in. But I wouldn't have thought that was the case - even the biggest junk food addict's diet still has quite a bit of raw in it. And in any case I would have thought that the effects of a detox process ought to be noticeable, if at all, by the bad symptoms of the previous toxin going away. It ought to be a positive experience from day one.

I am not attacking or picking an argument here. Since starting to incorporate more raw food into my diet my experience has been positive and I am keen to learn more and get even more out of it. I am just a bit suspicious of allowing this detox idea as an excuse for things that aren't really working. It sort of undermines the 'listen to your body' concept if you give yourself this get out.
Yeah I basically agree. In my experience, I have never detoxed...the only time I experience bad symptoms is when I eat something that my body doesn't like.

Interesting note about toxins; plant foods actually contain more toxins than any other foods. Plants have evolved to produce these toxins to ward off predators from eating them - including human predators.

Animal foods on the other hand don't have as many toxins because an animal's evolved mechanism to avoid being eaten is to run away or fight. Plants don't move, so they use lots of toxins instead.
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Old 09-18-2008, 05:56 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Lol we don't eat the plants that are toxic.... I somehow just don't buy metabolic typing... how are you supposed to find that out? The only time ive experienced clear skin is when staying away from processed foods and high GI index. Wether eating meat, cooked food, raw food whatever.. as far as clear skin goes its clear when im not eating sugary blood sugar spiking foods.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:21 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Lol we don't eat the plants that are toxic.... I somehow just don't buy metabolic typing... how are you supposed to find that out? The only time ive experienced clear skin is when staying away from processed foods and high GI index. Wether eating meat, cooked food, raw food whatever.. as far as clear skin goes its clear when im not eating sugary blood sugar spiking foods.
All plants have toxins .

Traditional cultures that have been studied have very specific food preparation techniques in order to reduce plant toxins. These include things like fermentation, soaking and cooking.

Yeah I think for a lot of people that the GI/GL is really important. I know it is for me for sure. You may be more of a protein type or mixed type according to metabolic typing. You can try to figure out what type you are just by experimenting or you can take these online tests (they cost money, but they give you some very useful information): Nutritional Typing - Take Control of Your Health , https://www.metabolictypingonline.com/
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All plants do not have toxins... that's fundamentally inaccurate. We are the only beings on this planet that have developed all these methods to "process" our foods. There's nothing really wrong with processing, but cooking is one method of processing which DOES cause nutrient loss. I'll take my extremely simple diet of plenty of vegetables and fruits and the great energy and feelings of health it gives me over the SAD anyday. It just makes so much sense and feels so good. Beyond just clear skin, it makes you feel so ALIVE. I've also never seen one raw foodist with bad skin, or hair, nails, weight problems etc. Atkins however, now that's a totally different story. The founder of the diet himself died from it.

The question is: why even eat meat? There's so many plants and vegetables available and if you know whats edible you can be pretty certain your not going to get e coli or mad cow disease from eating them. Unless of course they were in contact with meat products... It's so much more environmentally sustainable for us to grow fruits and vegetables to feed people. I mean the real solution to all these hunger shortages and environmental problems is for everybody to simply start their own gardens and plant fruit trees everywhere? Fruit is actually ridiculously cheap. If you've got an actual fruit market around where you live you'll realize that. These big groceries stores mark fruits and vegetables up because they know that people only buy a small portion of their diet in the produce section.
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All plants do not have toxins... that's fundamentally inaccurate. We are the only beings on this planet that have developed all these methods to "process" our foods. There's nothing really wrong with processing, but cooking is one method of processing which DOES cause nutrient loss. I'll take my extremely simple diet of plenty of vegetables and fruits and the great energy and feelings of health it gives me over the SAD anyday. It just makes so much sense and feels so good. Beyond just clear skin, it makes you feel so ALIVE. I've also never seen one raw foodist with bad skin, or hair, nails, weight problems etc. Atkins however, now that's a totally different story. The founder of the diet himself died from it.

The question is: why even eat meat? There's so many plants and vegetables available and if you know whats edible you can be pretty certain your not going to get e coli or mad cow disease from eating them. Unless of course they were in contact with meat products... It's so much more environmentally sustainable for us to grow fruits and vegetables to feed people. I mean the real solution to all these hunger shortages and environmental problems is for everybody to simply start their own gardens and plant fruit trees everywhere? Fruit is actually ridiculously cheap. If you've got an actual fruit market around where you live you'll realize that. These big groceries stores mark fruits and vegetables up because they know that people only buy a small portion of their diet in the produce section.
All plants really do have toxins.

Some of the most common ones are lectins, various enzyme inhibitors like phytic acid and salicylates.

Your body secretes specific enzymes just to neutralize these plant toxins...and some of them can't be neutralized at all, so they just have to be dealt with.

The reason why a lot of plant foods have to be cooked in order to be edible is because they contain a very large number of toxins which are neutralized by cooking. Things like potatoes, grains, etc.

Cooking can cause nutrient loss, but it can also release more digestible nutrients. It's a tradeoff.

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Jesse, thanks for that, great series of articles, and can be understood using common sense.
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You're welcome! Thank you for the feedback and I'm glad you enjoyed the articles.
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