The overlooked disadvantages of masturbation

[Firefighter469]

(Speaking from a guy's point of view)

When I was in my late teens to my mid 20's I used to masturbate at least once per day. It seemed to relieve the stress in my life, at least for the time being. I notice now though, that when I was able to do this, the stress relief was great, but it became increasingly temporary. It also caused me to have an inability to focus properly and I had a serious motivation problem. I was tired ALL THE TIME!! It would take a long time for me to fall asleep and even longer for me to wake up in the morning.

Now that I'm older though, in my early 30's, I find that life is so much better without taking matters into my own hands. I can focus and remember things so much clearer than before. I fall asleep easily without taking a sleep aide and wake up clear-headed before my first cup of coffee. My dreams are longer, clearer, and incredibly more lucid than ever before.

I am not saying that I'm a superhero with self-control, what I'm saying is that by cutting back and building self-control will improve your lives remarkably. My quest to you is to take a break and build yourself back-up. Don't let the women on your monitor and television bring you down to your knees like you're some kind of slave to them. Instead, use that energy to serenade your real-life gal, or if you don't have one, use that energy to go out and get one!!

[Freelancer]

Originally Posted by Firefighter469

(Speaking from a guy's point of view)

When I was in my late teens to my mid 20's I used to masturbate at least once per day. It seemed to relieve the stress in my life, at least for the time being. I notice now though, that when I was able to do this, the stress relief was great, but it became increasingly temporary. It also caused me to have an inability to focus properly and I had a serious motivation problem. I was tired ALL THE TIME!! It would take a long time for me to fall asleep and even longer for me to wake up in the morning.

Now that I'm older though, in my early 30's, I find that life is so much better without taking matters into my own hands. I can focus and remember things so much clearer than before. I fall asleep easily without taking a sleep aide and wake up clear-headed before my first cup of coffee. My dreams are longer, clearer, and incredibly more lucid than ever before.

I am not saying that I'm a superhero with self-control, what I'm saying is that by cutting back and building self-control will improve your lives remarkably. My quest to you is to take a break and build yourself back-up. Don't let the women on your monitor and television bring you down to your knees like you're some kind of slave to them. Instead, use that energy to serenade your real-life gal, or if you don't have one, use that energy to go out and get one!!

So true, masturbate daily and my energy is gone. Do it two or three times a day and I can actually become a bit depressed from it.

Once a week seems about right for me...

[Tasaio]

I'm guessing you were prompted by the World's Slowest Learner thread?

In any case, it's true that frequent ejaculation causes fatigue. Your body thinks its planning to create new humans--it's bound to use up energy on those sperm!

But this applies to both masturbation and intercourse. If anything, I'd think sex uses up more energy...

You may be surprised if you go without masturbating for two weeks, how much fun it could really be. I once went over a month, as an experiment, and I'll never forget the night I finally...had to stop. I made the mistake of reading a spicey novel, which had never before had such an effect on me.

If you go long enough without masturbating, you'll start to be aroused anyone and anything. And your body will compensate by ejaculating while you're asleep. I started having wet dreams every night.

[Cran]

Women seem to be the happier sex after all

But I'd like to add that the BELIEVE per se thet a daily ejaculation will fatigue will most likely result in just this - fatigue.

[Vantage72]

Yes I agree. There a costs for ejaculation that are often overlooked.

I wonder if Steve ever tested this, so I asked and suggested it here:
[Adultish] Did Steve ever experiment with sex transmutation / retention?

By the way, there are a lot of books that discuss the benefits of not ejaculating:
-Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill
-The way of the superior man- David Deida
-Everything by Mantak Chia or Charles Runels M.D.

[Rockchick26]

WOW. Thats all i have to say. Do you guys really get tired from it?! Sometimes i do it every day for a week or two straight,and i've never noticed it making me more tired. The longest i go is 6 or 7 days. I have never heard that there were ANY negative effects from it,i heard it was very healthy. I dont know how you could focus better,seems to me if i have sex on my mind,i cant focus right on anything else! lol Maybe it's differnet for girls.

[Vantage72]

Yes this is very different for girls

[Firefighter469]

Actually, there were a few posts out there that this was aimed towards. One was "Masturbation: world's slowest learner", but even more so was the "husband rather look at porn than me". I do feel sorry for her struggle with her sex life. The images that her husband is masturbating to is probably distorting his perception of true beauty. That's only one underlying evil that most look over about pornography. Those that have done it for years begin to ask themselves, subconcious or not, why have sex with this woman that truly loves me and wants to be with me, when there is a TOTAL BABE on Skinimax!!

Tasaio mentioned spicy novels. In my opinion, these are excellent because they wont hurt the way you perceive physical beauty. The novels allows you to imagine each character and explore your sexually creative side. Especially if you decided to write one.

After a while, I will have wet dreams also, but I perfer them greatly compared to the old do-it-myselfer. It actually feels like I'm having sex in the dream and I wake up in the greatest mood of my life. lol

[Vantage72]

Originally Posted by Firefighter469

After a while, I will have wet dreams also, but I perfer them greatly compared to the old do-it-myselfer.

I'd rather not have wet dreams and conserve my energy. That's why I do 10 minutes of yoga daily. The exercise is called Uddyana bandha and can be found on Google.

[Firefighter469]

Originally Posted by Rockchick26

WOW. Thats all i have to say. Do you guys really get tired from it?! Sometimes i do it every day for a week or two straight,and i've never noticed it making me more tired. The longest i go is 6 or 7 days. I have never heard that there were ANY negative effects from it,i heard it was very healthy. I dont know how you could focus better,seems to me if i have sex on my mind,i cant focus right on anything else! lol Maybe it's differnet for girls.

It is so much different between men and women this way. There was actually a very funny and VERY true episode of Seinfeld that discribed that situation perfectly:

George's girlfriend caught mono, so they couldn't have sex. George become a scholar because his mind isn't focused on sex all the time. He starts inventing things and using his brain to do actual useful things. When Ellaine heard of this, she decided to help her boyfriend pass his medical board exams. Without sex, she started deminishing because all she could focus on was sex and the lack thereof.

For women, it is probably nessessary, I can't say for sure, I'm not one. But for men, too much ejaculation over a long period of time makes us lazy, unfocused, and psychologically blind, (yes, our mothers were right). Now, ladies, I'm not saying at all, stop making love to your husbands, that would just destroy your marriages. I am saying, to the guys, save your life force for the one who loves you.

[martin]

Is once every 2 weeks good?

[Vantage72]

Originally Posted by martin

Is once every 2 weeks good?

I don't know, do you feel good?
Do you notice energy loss afterward?
Do you feel energized the next day?
How old are you?

Charles Runels M.D. has some way to calculate your cycle.

[Firefighter469]

After about two weeks, you should definitely be noticing the changes occuring. There seem to be various stages of improvement by refraining from masturbation. I have tested these stages time and time again for about six years now and this is how the stages have worked for me: For one, my sleep will be enhance and sleep cycles will improve. Then, I begin to remember things that I forgot at one time and enjoy them again too. My dreaming will begin to really improve, I'll be able to control my dreams and have far more of them than I did previously. I'll gain more confidence and become a better speaker, especially important to the fairer sex. I will gain the capacity to have more motivation than ever before. I have a personal best of 47 days and I'm currently trying very hard to surpass that record, to see what other benefits I can acrew from my abstanance.

After 2 weeks, why stop there and decide that you want to give up those things you worked so hard for?

Or are you saying that you can't get past 2 weeks? (Been there, believe me) If that is the case there are several different methods to help you get past that point. As Vantage72 suggested, you can do Yoga, that probably works well for most, but it didn't for me (I probably wasn't doing it right). I go jogging, any vigerous exercise will do because it causes your body to release endorfins and it causes a drop in energy, which are simulating masturbation without actually loosing it. Cold showers work for some, but they seem to have an opposite effect with me for some reason, I actually get turned on by them, that's why I couldn't go past 47 days. One great way to be the master of your domain is to simply stop temptation, stop turning on Skinnimax and surfing dirty images. Don't be around the issues that will tempt you to fall.

[Marco Polo]

FireFighter469,

How long was it before you started noticing improvements in your sleep?

And did it actually increase your deep/refreshing sleep or was it only that you had more dreams and fell asleep faster?

[Firefighter469]

Actually, the first 8 days were very rough getting to sleep because I was being flustered with images of sex when I drifted off. Falling asleep would improve day by day. Now, I just simply lie down and I'm off to sleep in less than a minute and I wake up feeling refreshed and alert.

Also, I don't have to sleep as much did before. I used to need 9 hours of sleep to feel like I got a strong rest without overdoing it. Now, I sleep 7 hours and I feel totally recharged.

Looking back on how tired I was when I masturbated daily, I was a zombie almost all day long because I wasn't getting good sleep.

So, I guess to answer your question, it gave me a deep, refreshing sleep that aloud for more dreams and the ability to fall asleep faster and wake more alert. It was a package deal.

[andrew]

I'd like to interject with a clarification, if I may.

It is not masturbation itself that causes this, it is ejaculation. Not orgasms. Ejaculating. That's when all your energy is depleted. Having orgasms and sex is great for you, the negative side effects are caused by ejaculating. And since girls don't really ejaculate the same (they do, aka 'squirting', but it's a bit different), they don't loose the energy and are pretty much void of the re-factoring period men experience from ejaculating. Hence, no energy loss. That's probably why Rockchick26 was so shocked, because girls don't really experience that.

The key is to know, and to be able to, separate orgasms from ejaculating. They're two different things, that often get confused together.

[Smarky]

lol you guys are absolutely crazy!

[Spartan]

This is complete rubbish. A bit of exercise always makes me feel more energized!

[Iamsuperman]

You have intrigued me. I'm going to look for the effects on my energy next time I ... you know.

What I don't understand is how it could be any different from sex? Your body is ejaculating all the same. It should have the same effects on your energy. Another thing I don't get is that if you masturbate after taking all the time off then shouldn't you feel really, really tired afterwards? You claim all these benefits are from not masturbating but do they go away after you do one masturbation?

[Marth]

nice post, agree with everything this needed to be brought up

Originally Posted by Firefighter469

Now that I'm older though, in my early 30's, I find that life is so much better without taking matters into my own hands.

Epicly worded lol

[Dharma]

I've wondered this for a while. Why the hell do we link ejaculation with loss of energy? It's quite a bummer and it's an insane piece of denial we all play with.

[Revolution]

Thankyou for bringing this up, Firefighter. Alot of people on this board are SEVERELY LACKING in education on this topic.
I decided at the time not to interfere with their karma but now that all these intelligent and thoughtfull people have raised these issues I feel differently.

Now, as has already been pointed out girls don't ejaculate so it is a different ball game for them. Also mentioned has been the fact that there is a vast difference between ejac. and orgasm. The former should rightly be considered a small death while the latter has many health/energy benefits.
Yep, frequent ejaculation IS NOT healthy and it is associated with aging, energy loss, dry skin, weak joints, osteoporosis, depression, mental apathy, paranoia, anxiety and more. [With the kind of dissinformation out there is it really so surprising that women live longer than men?]

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I might also add that any guy out there that is serious about spiritual growth and thinks he can ejaculate every one or two days is kidding himself.

However, I must concede that strict celibacy aint that easy, and it also robs one of the many physical, mental and even spiritual gains that can be had from sex. [Note: I said sex, not ejaculation.] Furthermore, it can be so tough psychologically that many end up having wet dreams which is a terribly and unneccessary loss.

Martin asked if every two weeks is okay. I would say thumbs up for the disipline but personally I would say that more than once a YEAR is excessive - especially as one ages. - READ BELOW...

So the solution? Locking the gate. Thats the solution. The two main techniques are as follows:
There is a pelvic floor muscle technique and the "lo-pun" technique. The lo-pun is easier. But I encourage all to research and make up their own minds which technique is the best.

There is more to this topic than what I have just stated - one also might consider their OTHER chakra centres, because utilising only the root chakra is not advisable. There ARE ways to make sex a more WHOLESOME and fullfilling experience, in addition to merely locking the gate. Maybe try reading about tantra, whole-body orgasms, coming from the heart etc. You may also try doing the SARVANGASANA POSE immediately following masterbation/sex to ensure that the energy generated in the lower chackra areas are moved to the higher chackra areas. {Energy follows blood flow.}

[Smarky]

I'm sorry you guys are all completely nuts.

There is very little problem with it. You may experience a very slight loss in energy but it's hardly anything to write home about, it's the same with any exercise.

Your all poisoning each other with disinformation that simply is not true. Stop this crap and enjoy your life!