The overlooked disadvantages of masturbation

[Vantage72]

Yes sure it can be different for different people, at different ages.

mlc82 is 25. When I was 25 I sometimes had 5 ejaculations in one night. I would feel depleted the next day, but still ok.

Now I am 35, I still have no problem if I would ejaculate once a day. But it does change something subtle to my energy.

And I love the feeling I get if I don't ejaculate for a week. But these changes are subtle and not everyone will notice them.

Originally Posted by Smarky

It would just mess me up.

Are you sure?

Why not experiment with it? If you now ejaculate 4 times a week, try to go to one ejaculation per week for one month, and see how you feel. A 30 day trial like Steve often suggests.

If you want to read some more about it check out the reviews of Charles Runels M.D. book:

Think And Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill is a classic. More millionaires credit their financial success to that book more than any other book ever written. Motivational speakers and gurus have spoken and lectured on the book. Yet there is one chapter in the book that the speakers and gurus never talk about. Even the great Earl Nightingale in his famous recording of the book only briefly mentions the chapter then he quickly moves on.

It's the chapter on SEX! or rather SEX TRANSMUTATION!

Amazon.com: Anytime...for as Long as You Want: Strength, Genius, Libido & Erection by Integrative Sex Transmutation: Charles Runels: Books

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by Smarky

I'm with mlc82! It would just mess me up. Maybe it works differently for some of us?

Male hormone levels also tend to decrease at some point in your 30's IIRC, which could explain why not masturbating so much might feel like a welcome relief to a 35+ yr old man, but would turn a 25 yr old like myself into a frothing at the mouth maniac

I have no fear however, and fully plan to spend my older years jacked to the gills on things like steroids and viagra- no dealing with living to old age for me

[Smarky]

Think And Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill is overatted. it's crap =P

[Jamie]

This is a very well known and documented issue in Taoism also. Ejaculation means a loss of vital energy (jing), and I believe we have a finite store of this energy (from our parents), if I recall correctly, sexual energy is stored in the kidneys, so frequent ejaculation may result in a drained feeling around the lower back area where the kidneys are located.

I'm typing this from memory, so may not be entirely correct, but I think that's the jist of it.

I've only managed to go without for 8 days myself, so not so hot on the self-control, I know. I had bloated feelings around the balls, and I'm not sure if I was sublimating or redirecting the energy appropriately. It's something I defo need to look in to more though.

It is a serious topic, and a real issue, it's not imagined at all, as some seem to thing (I can understand why they'd think that though).

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by Jamie

This is a very well known and documented issue in Taoism also. Ejaculation means a loss of vital energy (jing), and I believe we have a finite store of this energy (from our parents), if I recall correctly, sexual energy is stored in the kidneys, so frequent ejaculation may result in a drained feeling around the lower back area where the kidneys are located.

I'm typing this from memory, so may not be entirely correct, but I think that's the jist of it.

I've only managed to go without for 8 days myself, so not so hot on the self-control, I know. I had bloated feelings around the balls, and I'm not sure if I was sublimating or redirecting the energy appropriately. It's something I defo need to look in to more though.

It is a serious topic, and a real issue, it's not imagined at all, as some seem to thing (I can understand why they'd think that though).

Is there any actual science behind these sort of ideas though? Just about every religion on earth seems to really hate sex, masturbation, orgasms, and anything else that feels good physically- the Eastern ones like to claim it somehow "drains you of life energy", while the Western ones do the usual "it'll send you to Hell!".

This would peak my interest if there was any faith and dogma-free info on it, but as of yet I've never heard anything but benefits to regular sex and masturbation from the scientific side.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by mlc82

Is there any actual science behind these sort of ideas though? Just about every religion on earth seems to really hate sex, masturbation, orgasms, and anything else that feels good physically- the Eastern ones like to claim it somehow "drains you of life energy", while the Western ones do the usual "it'll send you to Hell!".

In Taoism, sex is defo not evil or immoral or bad, in any sense. The only caution is to do with the energy loss. A big aspect of Taoism, is cultivating and storing energy, so why waste?

As for science, well, science is more of a western concept; I believe though, they acquired a lot of knowledge through trial and error, and experimenting on themselves.

Originally Posted by mlc82

This would peak my interest if there was any faith and dogma-free info on it, but as of yet I've never heard anything but benefits to regular sex and masturbation from the scientific side.

Yeah, really I'd suggest just go with what feels right for you; if you wanna abstain for a bit, and note the results, go for it; if not, that's ok too. You're still gonna die one day! So who gives a toss? (not being rude, just to say, that it's your life, and choice).

Take it easy dude.

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Yeah, really I'd suggest just go with what feels right for you; if you wanna abstain for a bit, and note the results, go for it; if not, that's ok too. You're still gonna die one day! So who gives a toss? (not being rude, just to say, that it's your life, and choice).

Take it easy dude.

Same here, I just enjoy a good argument for the sake of having it (I truly don't care how often others want to masturbate- I do feel bad for those who really beat themselves up over it though)

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by mlc82

Same here, I just enjoy a good argument for the sake of having it (I truly don't care how often others want to masturbate- I do feel bad for those who really beat themselves up over it though)

I also feel sorry for those who beat themselves off over it. Ooops, freudian slip..

[Christian223]

Ejaculation does tire you as everyone knows, so its a good idea to ejaculate not so often and only at certain hours of the day, for example at night just before sleep so you get tired on purpose to help sleep.

Also, if you masurbate but avoid orgasm at all costs, the results are the oposite, that is if you can control yourself not to reach orgasm, if you do this what happens is that your energy levels goes up instead of down, so instead of feeling weak you are feeling strong and powerfull, and not only that but it has also the effect of relaxation, and many other side effects wich are not harmfull at all.

Basically, what you should do is breathe deeply while you do "it", and whenever you feel you get close to orgasm you stop until you dont feel so close anymore, usually a few secs the first time, but the more times you get closer to orgasm youll notice that it gets dificult to stop on time and the time to calm down is longer, thats because of the energy that is building up. With practice youll be able to store much more energy.

One of the most important things about this technique (besides self control) is to be able to move the energy that builds from the base of your organ to go through your body to your brain and back to the body, this may seem weird, but i suggest you to try it, you can feel this energy and direct it with practice, imagine that some kind of purple smoke is acumulating in the base of your organ, or imagine that this energy is electricity, and when you take a deep breath feel and move the smoke or electricity up to your brain, and when you exhale the smoke or electricity goes from your brain to the rest of the body, you must feel this smoke or electricity or energy flow in your body.
The longer you build energy with masturbation, the more energy will be flowing all through your body, but you must avoid orgasm to keep this energy in you, if you reach orgasm the energy goes away.

Heres a past thread on this subject:
[Adult] Masturbation as a tool for growth

Heres is a good resource on this subject of energy building:
SEX AND REJUVENATION

[hawkal]

Originally Posted by andrew

I'd like to interject with a clarification, if I may.

The key is to know, and to be able to, separate orgasms from ejaculating. They're two different things, that often get confused together.

Sounds good to me, so we can have the best of both worlds!

Although I've read that it takes a lot of effort and practice to learn this skill.