The Gabriel Method?

[Keith]

Steve's been advertising it on his site and I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried the Gabriel Method?

How does it work? Did it work for you?

[Jennihul]

Sounds interesting. But the way he mentions nothing about the diet whatsoever in his pitch, is typical cheesy sales stuff.

It could be anything, even something bizarre.

Jennifer

[PianoManGidley]

The page has the same generic look as every hyped-up scam and worthless garbage I've come across online. In other words--I don't buy into it.

[Jennihul]

The good thing is that there weren't any "The Gabriel Method sucks" results on google but there was a recent name change to his method. Wonder why?

Jennifer

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

Sounds interesting. But the way he mentions nothing about the diet whatsoever in his pitch, is typical cheesy sales stuff.

That was why I was wondering if anyone here had actually tried it.

There's a decent summary of it at: The Gabriel Method - Part I | Real Body Potential

It sounds good, but what I'm really interested in is in hearing from someone who's personally tried it.

P.S. Heh, this thread is the 20th match for "gabriel method" on Google.

[Jennihul]

Yeah there really wasn't much. But amazon says the book isn't even out yet which is why I wonder about the name change of his method.

Maybe he squeezed every dollar he could out of the "Transformation" moniker and re-invents it to hit a whole new batch of unsuspecting peeps.

Could just be me being paranoid too....

The synopsis sounds interesting because I would be more interested in that kind of thing than some magic pill in a bottle method.

Jennifer

[oberlee]

All I know is his 'after' pic looked really creepy. I'm glad he lost all that weight--that's awesome--but I can't trust those gimmicky things anymore.

[BigDave]

Not sure if this thread is still alive but I am considering buying this diet book

Having seen the scammy website, I have emailed Jon "Gabriel" (AKA Jonathan Abrams) and asked him directly about the scammy nature of his website design.

I also mentioned that I am a long term obesity sufferer (true) and asked if he genuinely believes his book will help me...I await his response

I really believe this whole thing will turn out to be just another scam but, the book and CD pack is only 35 bucks and I dont mind becoming just another gullable idiot if I can feedback my experiences into the community and stop a few more people from becoming gullable idiots on the way.

I also live within a few Kms of the very man so will get the chance to physically throw the book at him if it turns out to be junk

Of course, if I am wrong, I will instead be singing the book's praises in future posts.....

anyone here still interested in this subject?

[Jennihul]

Sure.

Jennifer

[BGirl]

so, how did it go? am very interested!

[Rodni Demental]

I have seen the book in question and have kind of read through it (skimmed). And for something like this, I don't think you can blame him if it doesn't work, because what he says is true and I'm sure if you follow it you'll have desired results.

He seems to focus more on the mental side of things on how to succeed rather than heaps of physical work. And really, if you take it seriously and try some of the weird way he helps clear your mind, I'm sure it would be beneficial.

There's also the whole "you need to take your first step before you can run a mile" lesson. It may take some time but if you start out small, you can make something big over time.

[Path to Transcendence]

Hi there,

I am new to this forum but was interested in the discussion around the Gabriel Method. I have just bought the book and about half way through. I too am a long term struggler of the bulge. Whilst only about 10kg over the desired weight, i do find it hard to keep down. I exercise heaps, eat great food, but my portion control... well, plus a good red and a pint often tempt me. So i do have some challenges. Luckily for me, i put it on all over so it doesnt manifest around my beer belly area, so less chance of long term heart implications.

I just wanted to say that i agree with Rodni on this one. Have a read of the book ($35ish is nothing if you find some benefit out of it, thats the cost of a steak at a pub here in Perth), have a crack at the techniques but dont give up after week two if nothing is happening. This is the failure of so many people attempting so many diets, and yep, i have been there too many times. I have found Weight Watchers to be great and i can maintain that level for a couple of years usually, its only when i go overseas i seem to lose the plot. And long term, it doesnt create the mindset shift i obviously need.. I was telling my girlfriend about it and she started the cynical (prematurely defeatist) comments, though not intentional i think. I said, lets have a read first, adapt some of the techniques and see how it goes. The interesting thing is that i have already adapted a lot of these things. I also noticed on other forums people keep talking about the Job Gabriel Diet... though i think he is suggesting that you lose weight without dieting.

What Jon Gabriel is encouraging is a long term mindset shift. Its about focusing on both psychological and nutritional contributors to health and well-being. I am a massive foody so i would be challenged to completely change my diet but i think what Jon is suggesting is that you develop a love for the things that make you feel amazing. So whilst that 300g porterhouse may make you feel great at the time and then makes you want to take a satisfying nap, he is suggesting that you may find greater benefit out of having a Thai Beef Salad (my assumption here) where you get your meat fix plus the added benefits of the live foods he talks about. If you cant put aside your cravings for the 300g porterhouse then long term this may not be of great benefit for you, but it all comes down to choice and desired wellbeing. I like his psychological approach too, it makes great sense.

Big Dave i do hope you find some benefit out of the readings. I also hope i find some. I would be interested to know how you go. Wow, long post, sorry gang, just wanted to get some thoughts out there (clarity for myself too i guess).

Hope im not too late on the post!

[BrissyTink]

Hi Guys,

I was looking online for posts about the jon gabriel method and came across a few people that were wanting to know more about it i know its from a while ago

I am part of a forum that is just for gabriel method so you are certainly welcome to see if there is any useful info there, there is talk about supplements, people's progress etc, before I bought the book I found a yahoo thread that has since been closed down and for me that made the difference in buying the book or not.

Gabriel Method :: http://gabriel.magickfox.org • Index page

BrissyTink

[tdpk]

Hi, it is interesting to read the above posts, unfortunately it seems that the general consensis here is cynacism regarding the Gabriel Method, some things work for some people and for others it doesn't, and you cannot accurately comment on something after you have tried it.
Although I have just started the method myself, and almost finished the book, a year down the track would be the best time for me to make this comment however I couldn't help myself.

There is much in it that I have already known ie, reduce the toxins going into your body, suppliment what you can't get out of your food, drink more water, reduce stress ( in my words). I was never able to stick to a diet, this did not suit me, finding out more about how my mind and body works does.
So far i am feeling better about myself, more positive about life, realising that my body has been starving for nutrients that the food i have been intaking hasn't been able to provide and increasing my water intake and reconsidering what I am putting in and on my body.
1 week down and 1 kg down...
I don't care if it is my mind, as that is where I know that it needs to occur.
I needs to look at my emotional inner self, and with knowledge comes understanding.

What i say is, if you are interested, do not take what others say and follow your heart, if dieting does not work for you and it is a constant struggle,
why not consider something else, have a paradigm shift, start loving who you are and your body will be respond by asking for what it really needs.
I woke up with a headache this morning, and I know that it was my body saying hey you dizt, not enough water yesterday... get with the program.
Not sure if this makes any sense... but thats my say.

[bananaface]

I was also looking up this book and thought $35 was not that much so i might try it. If it does nothing for me, Big Dave I'm sending it your way so you can throw mine at him as well :P

[mOUnTaiNBACKer]

I'm in the market to buy the book, but $35 IS significant cash to me, and I thought I should ask those who had the book and posted to this site more than a year, or several months ago, if they ever obtained meaningful results and if they underwent a positive lifestyle change that is being sustained.

Anyone care to FOLLOW UP on your earlier posts?

[TracerXL]

Well i bought the book from amazon.com for $8.25 here in the us and you
can down load the cd from his site for free.

here is the link
Amazon.com: The Gabriel Method: The Revolutionary DIET-FREE Way to Totally Transform Your Body: Jon Gabriel: Books

I hope this helps. and good luck.

[gregc5]

No shortage of diet books. Only problem is most people dont keep them up. Try out n exercise regiment it will do more in the long run. And you can eat what you want.

[martbook]

I just bought and have started reading his book. I already agree with his basic premise that our body is controlled by our emotional states. Their agenda holds precedent over anything physical.

If your unconscious feels that it is safer to be fat, you will stay fat and no diet will work.
The body is a hologram of the consciousness and Jon feels he has found a way to switch off or change the emotional programming.

I feel that if you follow his ideas you will significantlt enhance your well-being and weight loss will naturally follow.

I recommend his method to anyone that has been yo-yo dieting and/or gives into uncontrollable cravings while trying to lose weight. Those are key signs that unconscious programming is running your system.

[Beloved]

I bought the book a while ago but hadn't gotten around to implementing the dietary changes until recently. Mainly because I couldn't afford to buy the supplements while I wasn't working, as soon as I got a job I bought some of them first pay, started with the Flaxseed and digestive enzymes about 3 seeks ago, this week I bought Vitamins. I haven't been followingo to the letter but on Friday I noticed a top I wore the week before was looser, weighed myself and found I am down 4 kilos! Today (Sunday) I am down an half kilo or so. I am not finding it hard at all and have eaten whatever I wanted during this, as long as I had some healthy live foods everyday, if I felt like chocolate I had it. I've stayed away from dead processed foods as much as I could, no more frozen meals for me. If I have no time to cook I make a sandwish and sprinkle flaxseed onto the filling.


I've not been using the CD but did when I first bought it, had trouble visualising myself as thin. Afterall I've been told I was fat all my life so how on Earth could I see myself as thin. I was sorting old photos and found some of myself at 18 and couldn't get over how thin I was back then. I do realise was that I come from a family of undersized runts and I was the largest out of my siblings so considered fat even though I was standard size for my age. I have been using another recording I bought years ago called Think Slim by Hypnotist Martin St James for the past week, which is helping me walk past those cake shops without a second glance.

Jon mentions that the first month the weightloss will be small and there is the possiblity of putting weight on, when I weighed myself first week I did note a gain of a kilo. He also reccommends not to weigh yourself but curiousity got the better of me. Usually when I go on a diet I lose around 4 kilos in the first week, this 4 kilos took me almost 3 weeks. After the first month the weight loss should acelerate, not like in standard diets where it plummets after the first week. I know I am burning fat because I can taste Ketosis most of the time.

On Friday my boss whom I've been working with for the last month told me how healthy I was looking.

[liessi]

This is not a comment on the Gabriel Method since I haven't had a chance to look at it personally, but I'm the biggest skeptic there is and having read the posts, I thought my recent experience might help some people achieve similar results.

First, let me start off by saying that obesity is killing us all. I was obese, now I'm fat, and I no longer wish to be fat. The first step is to admit hey, I'm not "chubby" -- I am in grave medical danger and doing serious harm to myself. (Now if only your doctor had the sense to voice this.)

I lost 60 lbs (from 240 lbs) in 7 weeks through the Dr. Bernstein program (drbdiet.com), following several months of counselling (shelleysangels.org) so I could prepare myself to stop shoving food in my mouth as a means of consoling myself in times of grief, punishing myself when things went bad, or congratulating myself when things went right. The critical part was how and why I was eating -- it clearly wasn't for sustenance. Once that was relatively under my control, I could focus on the actual food part.

Your brain is made up mostly of fat and needs fat to survive--healthy fat, as in oil, not lard. If it doesn't have access to fat, it will look for sugar. If it doesn't have access to fat or sugar, it will look for protein.

Note: This is where most diets really suck: your body starts to eat its own lean muscle mass for the protein. Yes, you lose weight (muscle is quite dense) but you don't lose any fat. I cringe every time I see a beanpole padded with flab. Dieter. Yuck.

Ideally, you would only eat as much as you need to get through the day's activities. In the wild, the day's activities typically consist of a) not getting eaten and b) finding food -- and occasionally mating, if you're lucky. Eat, run, eat, run, eat, sleep. Repeat.

Not so for us. Wake up, eat, sit in car, ride elevator, sit at desk, eat, ride elevator, sit in car, eat, sit on couch, sleep (I'll skip the lucky part). We're busy to the point of insanity but physically, we don't earn our keep. For many of us, we saturate our bodies with the maximum fat it can take in a day by breakfast: butter x 2 toast, 2 eggs and a glass of 2% milk is more than enough (and this is all lard, mind you!) and any other fat we eat that day will be stored. Our bodies turn into fat silos. And the body is a machine! Once it turns into a fat storage system, it just can't get enough fat and sugar. You crave it all day (go on, tell me you don't).

If you spend 6 hours a day pumping iron, you can eat like this. Otherwise, sooner or later, you'll get obese. So the only solution is to start using what we've stored. Let's skip the 6-hour workout as an option. No one has that kind of time. You can switch to eating right, and eating six small meals per day but that just stops you from getting more obese. It doesn't get rid of the fat you have (maybe over years it will, but you're obese now and it's killing you). The only other option is using up the stores.

The brain needs fat to survive. You cut off its fat intake, AND its sugar intake, and feed it just enough protein to stop it from eating your muscles, and it will suck the fat off you so fast, you'll wonder where it's going. The trick is to make sure you're still getting enough vitamins, minerals and other good things to avoid malnutrition.

Essentially, the Dr. B. diet is a medically (!critical!) supervised "starvation" diet that ensures you are getting sufficient nutrition through lean protein, vegetables, supplements and vitamin shots, while cutting out lard and starch, and limiting your sugar and oil intake so that your body enters ketosis, which is just a fancy word for eating its own fat.

Your body is in ketosis when it switches from fat storage to fat usage in order to feed the brain. During ketosis, your body releases ketones, which is nature's appetite suppressant. Returning to the wild for a moment, it's easy to imagine how critical it would be to have enough energy to find food during times of scarcity. The last thing you would want is to feel hungry, tired or in any way incapable of getting to the next food source. The other amazing things about ketosis is that fat is a high-test fuel, providing unbelievable amounts of energy. It takes about 3 days to enter ketosis, so it's very important to be prepared to ride out those first few days but once the change occurs, it is unmistakable.

The food plan is easy to follow and although it sounds like very little food, as long as you're in ketosis, you will not feel hungry (if you're obese, hunger is probably not your top reason for eating, or over-eating anyway -- that's where the counselling part comes in). You'll get a list of allowable vegetables, limited to 460 g per day, and a few servings of select fruits. You also get 200 g of allowable protein (that's plenty) per day plus select snacks to keep your palate entertained. Very quickly, you learn how to spread these out over the day, and that it's actually quite a challenge to eat everything that you're allowed. There are other restrictions as well (good-bye red wine and root beer), but it's manageable. If you think of it as a temporary, fast-track solution to a problem that would otherwise take years to fix (while obesity takes years off your life), it's easy to give up stuffing your face for a few months while your body returns to normal. Too blunt for you? Hey, nobody loves chocolate and Guinness more than yours truly. If I can do it, so can you.

A word of caution: it's absolutely foolish to try this on your own, since ketosis (the natural result of starvation) can kill you if you're just a few pounds overweight, or if you're not taking the necessary vitamin shots and supplements. These are expensive so it's tempting to try this on your own but you risk severe malnutrition and a host of other serious medical problems if you're already suffering from health issues.

Good luck!

[Lovely]

Hi Everyone,

I'm fascinated with so much of what goes on here in these forums... just HAD to join. Looking forward to meeting people that are into life this way, as well.

I'm an outgoing, artsy, spiritual warrior. Majored in theatre and music, turned blue-collar worker... (ha... you'd be surprised how much fun life can be-- anywhere... just because you are THERE!!)

I am married, no kids.. can't wait to retire- so much to DO! My husband blows glass...

(PS- My parents didn't stand a chance... I messed everything up for THEM!!)
LOL!

Enough about me... What about all of YOU?

[Lovely]

Well.. it looks like I've already "done it"...

Ha. meant to post that in the "new members" area they asked me to post in..

Ah well.. Only the first of many more blunders, I'm sure!
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What I wanted to say on this forum, about the Gabriel Method:

I have just started the book. Downloaded the meditation CD. It is fabulous, and Jon is getting to our "MIND" state.... allowing us to feel "safe" being thin.
He mentions what makes us want to be fat, or thin...

I could get into many other authors of such subject matter- however-

I'll wait to revue this more completely in a few weeks.

I have been obese all of my life- and been on every diet you could mention, so, this makes perfect sense to me.

I admire his transformation.

Also, I am currently finishing up the book "The Truth About Beauty" by Kat James. Sounds like a book for women, huh? NO. A book about forgetting the scale, and feeding one's body. She had given up..and began healing, from the inside out.

It's a must read. You won't believe the transformation this woman has made.

Ironically, she is a make-up artist for top models.. and has taught herself about "make-up-less" beauty.....

[scorpio1980]

I wish everyone would quit using that sentence "I want to lose weight". How about instead you say I want to normolize my body comp. The poster who talked about ketosis is right, but what wasn't stated is the fact that you should not lower the fats, you should increase them. Infact you should eat low amounts of carbs, perferebly under 100 grams daily, and increase fat intake to roughly 50-70% of daily calories this will not only switch your body to using fat as your fuel source, it will also halt disease. Most disease we see in western society is from carb overload, and toxc chemicals. Too many carbs are very bad, we need just enough to fill our glycogen stores, which aren't many, and infact don't really even need to do that, because fat can be converted in the body. Carbs are the only macronutrient not actually needed. We need fat, we need amino acids, but we can live a healthy life with no carbs at all, although I perfer limited amounts through lots of veggies. The first dietary step towards a healthy body comp is to knock out all chemicals such as trans fat, HFCS, perservatives, hormones, etc. Second step is to get rid of grains, which are not human food. Third increase fat intake through healthy oils, meat, fish, nuts, and decrease carbs period. This will rev your metabolism, and your health will increase 10 fold. Insulin is the cause of all obesity. It's also the cause of heart disease, cancer, and diebetes. Keep your blood sugar low, and your body normilizes, and you reach homostasis once again. Do what your ancestors would do. They would hunt, and gather which means they recieved lots of exercise. Fruit would be limited to when in season, and high sugar fruits like bananas didn't exist yet, most fruit today was man made for sweetness, so be careful when choosing fruit, a wise choice is berries. Eat veggies by the boatload, epecially greens. Increase fish consumption, and don't forget the benefits of grass fed beef, high omega 3's, cla, full of vitamins, etc.

[Milena]

Hi hi

I thought this was cool:

"Why sunlight turns off the fat switch… and how you can lose weight simply by spending 5 five minutes sitting in the sun"

Also, "The Leptin Diet" is a thinner (haha) book that also explains why typical dieting doesn't work and why yo-yo dieting is so prevalent.

[draw71]

To those who are curious about the Gabriel Method, you need to just buy or borrow the book and try it out for yourself. You won’t know until you give it a shot. Many of the post that I’ve read that think it’s a scam or will never work are from people that have not even taken the time and/or effort to try it…and you know what…if that’s what you think and believe, than of course it will never work for you, because that’s what you believe.

I’ve actually bought the book on May 5, 2009 and have been trying to follow his methodology for a little over a month now and just by simple trying to follow what he suggests in his book, has made a big difference in my eating habits and sweet/junk food cravings. I have a sweet tooth and my biggest downfall is chocolate. I use to think to myself and on occasion would actually tell people that if I could live off of chocolate alone, I would…of course we all know that I can’t….but anyway, that’s how much I love chocolate. In his book he talks about why our body craves certain foods and why our body holds on to fat. After reading his book I went out and bought the suggested supplements he suggest to take to provide my body with the essential nutrients it needs and also try to follow his visualization techniques and whatever he suggest and since then, my cravings for sweets has diminished so much so that the other day I was in line buying more supplements and looking at all the chocolate candy bars telling myself I should get one because I hadn’t had a chocolate bar since my birthday, which was on May 21 (A co-worker gave me some chocolate for my birthday and it was one of those king size Dove Bars which I ate it all in one sitting). And as I was contemplating which candy bar to get I realized I wasn’t craving for any chocolate and that I was actually getting sick to my stomach thinking of eating chocolate and that’s when it hit me that my body wasn’t craving for chocolate anymore and that I was subconsciously just telling myself I should get a candy bar because that’s what I’m use to and because I love chocolate. I’m also a big carb person, and usually at night I always crave for more carbs, especially the sweet bad ones…so of course I always keep cereal around and that’s what I would have as a snack at night is chocolate/sugar coated cereal. Those nightly cravings has also diminished.

In his book, he suggest not dieting at all and to eat when you’re hungry, even if you’re still craving the same foods you normally crave for but to also incorporate as much organic natural foods in your diet, and take the extra supplements your body needs and eventually your body will not crave for the foods that make you fat. He even says it may take your body 6 months to adjust and lose weight because it’s so use to eating all the foods that are not good for you. I’ve always been one to try to watch what I eat, and incorporate foods that are good for me so that I don’t feel bad about eating all the junk food that I shouldn’t be eating but after reading the book, and trying to follow the eating method suggested, I have noticed a big difference in the way I think and look at foods now.

It’s only been a little over a month for me and I’m still amazed at what a big difference just the little changes that I’ve made has done to the way I think, the way my body feels and the biggest thing for me is the fact that I no longer have those constant sweet cravings. I didn’t go out and completely change my eating habit, or completely stop eating what I love, but I have notice that I no longer crave for all the junk food that I was always eating. Oh, and so far I’ve lost 4 pounds…it’s not a whole lot, but I’m just happy that I no longer have the sweet cravings.

[Miss Moo]

I saw this thread, did a bit of research and decided to buy the book. I bought it this morning and finished it by lunch, as it's quite short, but it seems to have a very different approach to weight loss. Although I obviously haven't had experience with it yet I can say that it explains alot about why using diets doesn't work and it's worth the price alone just for the read - not that it's expensive anyway.

He has a youtube video on his site where he talks about the concept of mental obesity. Interestingly, the analogy he uses to describe mental obesity is very similar to the metaphor that Erin recently recieved from her guides, except it was bird and not a fly that was trapped:

YouTube - Mental Obesity- The Gabriel Method

[msmendez11]

Yes, I have tried the Gabriel Method and recommend it 100%. The book is fantastic and although the CD has been working for me, I was looking for something more. So I have just bought the nevereverdiet.com downloads and I have listened to the whole program (about an hour and a half).

I think it will suit me fine. I can't wait to start on my 21 day journey tonight. Anyone else have an opinion on this plan?

Marie

[craftyjake]

Just in case anyone is still interested, I posted a review of the Gabriel Method on my site! Review of the Gabriel Method | Crafty Life
Hope it helps you out

[msmendez11]

Well, I am into the nevereverdiet.com program for about 2 weeks now and I think it is just what I need. I am already feeling more positive about life and I am still losing weight (a kilo since starting). All good. I am happy to answer qs about my experience if you want.

Love
Marie