Alkaline Diet

[escapee]

Impaul , if you trust me ( with background of Chemistry/Chemical engineering ) . I really encourage you to place more focus on Human Essential nutrients rather than locking yourself up to the PH values of the food in question. When you eat a piece of processed / non-organic vegetarian donut added with lemon for the sake of "alkalinity", does it contain the following nutrients in adequate level to sustain life ?

Essential nutrient - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Essential fatty acids:
Linolenic acid (the shortest chain omega-3 fatty acid)
Linoleic acid (the shortest chain omega-6 fatty acid)

Essential amino acids necessary for all humans:
Histidine
Isoleucine
Lysine
Leucine
Methionine
Phenylalanine
Threonine
Tryptophan
Valine

Essential amino acids necessary for human children and not adults:
Arginine

Vitamins:
Biotin (vitamin B7, vitamin H)
Choline (vitamin Bp)
Folate (folic acid, vitamin B9, vitamin M)
Niacin (vitamin B3, vitamin P, vitamin PP)
Pantothenic acid (vitamin B5)
Riboflavin (vitamin B2, vitamin G)
Thiamine (vitamin B1)
Vitamin A (retinol)
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine, pyridoxamine, or pyridoxal)
Vitamin B12 (cobalamin)
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)
Vitamin D (Cholecalciferol, Ergocalciferol, Calcitriol)
Vitamin E (tocopherol)
Vitamin K (naphthoquinoids)

Dietary minerals: Biochemical studies reported in 2006 indicate that the following elements (aside from H, C, N, and O) are required for human health:[2]
Calcium (Ca)
Chloride (Cl-)
Cobalt (Co)
Copper (Cu) [3]
Iodine (I)
Iron (Fe)
Magnesium (Mg)
Manganese (Mn) [4]
Molybdenum (Mo)
Phosphorus (P) [5]
Potassium (K)
Selenium (Se) [6]
Sodium (Na)
Sulfur (S)
Zinc (Zn) [7]

Many elements have been implicated at various times to have a role in human health. For none of these elements has the specific protein or complex been identified:


Bismuth (Bi) (suspect)
Boron (B)
Bromine (Br)
Chromium (Cr)[9]
Fluorine (F) (necessity unknown in humans)
Germanium (Ge)[dubious – discuss]
Rubidium (Rb) (suspect)
Nickel (Ni)[9] common in unicellular organisms
Silicon (Si)[9]
Strontium (Sr) (suspect)
Tellurium (Te) (suspect)
Tin (Sn)[9] (may depend on definition of essential -- see reference)
Titanium (Ti) (suspect)
Tungsten (W) (some organisms use tungsten rather than molybdenum)

IngentaConnect The newer essential trace elements, chromium, tin, vanadium, nick...

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by escapee

Impaul , if you trust me ( with background of Chemistry/Chemical engineering ) . I really encourage you to place more focus on Human Essential nutrients rather than locking yourself up to the PH values of the food in question.

You're preaching to the choir. I totally agree with you that we must get all those nutrients you listed. I'm studying to be a nutritionist and know all about those, and I target to get all my nutrients every day. I just go for getting them from healthy, nutritious, alkaline sources. So, instead of getting my daily fat intake from eating a big steak marbled with a nice layer of fat, I get my fat from organic olive oil, avacado's, etc.

When you eat a piece of processed / non-organic vegetarian donut added with lemon juice for the sake of "alkalinity", does it contain the following nutrients in adequate level to sustain life ?

Ugh, heck no. Donuts are crap. What you're describing is the "Pudding Vegetarian" mentality, where people say they're eating healthy because they're vegetarian, but in reality all they eat all day is sugar, chocolate bars, candy, donuts, white bread with peanut butter, "veggie" pizza, drink beer, alcohol, pasta with 8 layers of cheese, etc.

Just because it doesn't have any meat in it, doesn't mean it's healthy.
Just because it is alkaline, doesn't mean it's healthy.

For it to qualify for my current diet it has to be HEALTHY and alkaline. Make sense?

[impaul99]

Here's some more info. Alkaline diet stuff on the news:

YouTube - Doc Broc and the Stone Hinge Cave Adventure

[escapee]

For it to qualify for my current diet it has to be HEALTHY and alkaline. Make sense?

Do we have a food that's healthy and acidic ? Organic egg and organic grass fed beef ? walnuts ? Cocoa ? Olives ? Avacado Oil ? Blueberries ? Do you eat the acidying walnuts ( the "king of nuts" ) that's rich in both omegas?

ALKALINE AND ACIDIC FOOD CHART
Alkaline and Acidic Food Charts

For me, organic, non processed and a well balanced diet that modeled over Okinawan diet is what i considered to be the ultimate healthy diet.

I don't watch video that preaches Alkaline diet because it doesn't make "scientific" sense. I'm glad that you studying to be nutritionist. You will find out that the PH value of the "healthy" food is not as important as you initially thought.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by escapee

Do we have a food that's healthy and acidic ? Organic egg and organic grass fed beef ? walnuts ? Cocoa ? Olives ? Avacado Oil ? Blueberries ? Do you eat the acidying walnuts ( the "king of nuts" ) that's rich in both omegas?

ALKALINE AND ACIDIC FOOD CHART
Alkaline and Acidic Food Charts

For me, organic, non processed and a well balanced diet that modeled over Okinawan diet is what i considered to be the ultimate healthy diet.

I don't watch video that preaches Alkaline diet because it doesn't make "scientific" sense. I'm glad that you studying to be nutritionist. You will find out that the PH value of the "healthy" food is not as important as you initially thought.

The diet doesn't say to eat ONLY alkalizing foods. What it says is to eat 70-80% alkalizing foods and 20-30% acidic. So, for example if I want to have a nice big salad, and then sprinkle some acidic walnuts like you mentioned, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, as the walnuts don't make up more than 20% of the salad.

For example, take a look at the picture on this blog post I made:
Workout Results - Day 7 | HealthyFitGuy.com

It's a stir-fry my wife cooked for me. If you look at the plate, visually you can see that the there is some brown rice on the right hand side which makes up about 15-20% of the plate and the rest is veggies. The rice is acidic while the veggies are alkaline. I also used brown rice, not white. This is how I put together my meals. It's easy, it's visual, I don't have to count calories, and if I'm hungry after eating a big plate like that, I'll just go and get seconds and just make sure to take seconds in the same 80/20 proportion like that.

Same thing with salads. For example I had a seafood salad the other day and it was a giant salad with grilled salmon on top. At the restaurant I was at, they made the salmon probably about 30-40% of the salad, so the meal was a bit acidifying in general, but I only eat out once in a while and at home I generally stick to alkalizing meals.

If it doesn't work for you, then forget about acidic foods and alkaline foods, and just focus on eating foods that are nutritionally healthy regardless of their pH. Blueberries and walnuts are not going to kill you, unless you're allergic to them.

[escapee]

The diet doesn't say to eat ONLY alkalizing foods. What it says is to eat 70-80% alkalizing foods and 20-30% acidic.

There are so many questions to be asked when you have "PH health author" making such a claim.

1) Is there any peer reviewed scientific study to prove that the 70/30 ph is the optimal ratio or it is merely based on basis mathematical application by another health expert ?

2) How do you ensure that you have consumed the right range of PH of the total food consumption . For instance, there is a difference between consuming 70% of food with PH 7.5 ( Slightly alkalizing )/ 30 % with PH 2 and 70% of food with PH 9 / 30% of food with PH 6 . Do you measure the PH value / ion(+ and -) of your blood/liver/organ of each food consumed?

3) Does the PH value / alkalizing or acidifying capabiltiy change according to soil quality ( mineral contents).

4) What is the real health impart ( backed by science ) if i were to consume 70% healthy Acidic food ( like walnuts, Olive oil, Avocado) / 30% healthy alkaline food?


I guess i just stick to the nutritional value of the food . Alkaline diet is too complicated for layman like myself

[wolfgang]

hmm... There is an overlap it seems to me. That if one eats food that is in the alkaline list they are also eating better compared to the SAD (standard American diet). In general it seems that the acid list of foods are also food any nutritionist would say eat less off. So the overlap of just trying to eat food that is of better nutritional value and alkaline is there. However the alkaline list is a subset of the better nutritional value list. Still, what does the nutritional value view say about eating only the acid foods or high ratio of the acid foods? Is it possible to eat all acid foods and get all the nutrients required? That would mean eating cheese, beer, coffee, wheat, meat, pasta, sugar as the main dishes? Would that be a bad diet? That would probably be a bad diet for the pH view as well as the nutritional value view.

Also, I've thought, in general (or in average), fresh whole raw/live food is going to be alkaline and also have more nutrient value.

And then, also, high glycemic foods tend to be acidic producing (but can't find where I read that). So then that may be common ground as well. That someone trying to eat low glycemic food is also getting more alkaline food into them. but then, I know, which is the healthy part of that? Low glycemic or alkaline?