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Looking for a little support! I love meat in a most unhealthy way. I honestly feel like I have a certain bloodlust, because I love rare and raw animal flesh. And, of course, I also love cheese and butter. Unfortunately (or fortunately), I'm really determined to break this addiction. I'm 28-yrs-old, and my cholesterol is out of control. I'm not at my ideal weight. I eat massive quantities, because the meat triggers my appetite. This past year, I've gained huge amounts of weight following the suicide of my fiancé. Now, I can't zip up my boots. I can almost feel the saturated fat clogging my arteries. I feel out of control. Sept. 5 - Weight: 160lbs. For about a month, I've been mentally preparing myself for a lifestyle change. I read Dr. Fuhrman's "Eat to Live." I'm reading Dr. Barnard's "Breaking the Food Seduction." About 2 weeks ago, I tentatively tried a week of the Eat2Live program. I lost almost 10lbs. And then, I went back to my normal diet, but slightly revised - I've cut down portions and only eat chicken. My cravings for steak and bacon are gone, but I do still crave poultry and seafood. I've gained back maybe 1 lb. Nov. 10 - Weight: 148lbs. It's been about a week since I went back to my normal diet. Today I went back to cutting out all animal products and excess fats. I'm trying to focus on the good parts - how light I feel when I eat clean, how easy it is to go to the bathroom, and how much weight I'm losing. This is one of the hardest things I've ever done. Any good vibes would be really helpful. |
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Before I went vegan I was a pretty die hard meat eater. I loved Big Macs and steak and cheese and butter and eggs, etc. I didn't think I could get over the cravings. Substitutions worked great for me. I've had some amazing meat substitutes with amazing sauces. And no gristle and ligaments and tendons, uck! I don't know if this will help you or not but it is what worked for me. Eating the substitutes which taste great! Take a look at this list of vegan products and see if anything whets your appetite and tingles your taste buds. Vegan Product Reviews |
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Lately, I decided to go back to a book I read some time ago -- The Paleo Diet. Basically, it's about getting back to eating what our paleo ancestors ate - which includes meat! I've only been eating this way now for a couple weeks, but I already feel WONDERFUL and I'm losing weight steadily. Here are a couple of great websites that explain the paleo way of eating/living: INTRODUCTION TO THE PALEOLITHIC DIET Paleo (Neanderthin) introduction Enjoy! Dave | |
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uber, that's just awesome! I send you lots and lots of good vibes! Do that for one month and you'll see how wonderful you will feel... I noticed that we are in very similar situations, you and me, working on ourselves, with food, men, jobs.. everything. I'm happy for that. Your courage and willingness to change and to do challenging things is very inspiring! Thanks for that. Lots of Love and best wishes to you |
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I second the paleo diet, it's the kind of diet ( LOW GI ) we are supposed to eat for optimal health. But even if we follow the diet religiously we may still deficient in certain minerals due to non-organic farming . A Summary Comparison of organic vs non organic fertilizer Organic vs Inorganic Quote:
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We can do it - one step at a time, one issue at a time. | |
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^That's a shame. I had some salmon last night. It was delicious. Salmon is probably the healthiest food you can possibly eat in my opinion. And I'll third the Paleo diet. Quote:
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This Paleo diet seems to go against everything I'm reading now (especially Dr. Fuhrman's "Eat to Live" which recommend very limited animal proteins). I'm totally confused. I do feel better eating meat, but my cholesterol level is ridiculous. |
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I think the Paleo diet has some interesting ideas. My diet is very similar to that in some ways. I eat things like walnuts instead of grains, etc, and I like it a lot better. For example... I always used to bring a sandwich and maybe some fruit to work - I changed the sandwich part to having a couple hundred calories worth of walnuts or something else that isn't bread, and I like it a lot better. The major part of the paleo diet I will never follow is no dairy. I have no lactose intolerance.... and I just don't feel there's any reason to get rid of it. If your cholesterol is really high it doesn't mean you need to totally get rid of meat. Just minimize it and try and balance things out a bit more Just experiment and figure out what works for you. | |
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My view is that cholesterol is a fragile substance, like many other important nutrients, and is best eaten raw or minimally cooked. I could see potential problems coming from eating lots of heavily cooked, highly processed animal products, and I don't even put a McDonald's hamburger in the same category as a rare grassfed steak. High quality raw and rare animal products are an excellent health food. If you're putting on an unhealthy amount of fat I'm guessing it's something in your diet other than meat (do you drink soda or eat grains/bread?). you might enjoy this site: The Cholesterol Myths There are indeed many dietary theories out there. I've tried many different eating styles and at this point feel that different methods may be best for different people in different situations. This is the view of metabolic typing, where some people excel on a near vegetarian diet, while others NEED plenty of animal products, with everyone else somewhere in between. What a person needs may change with time. When I attend a meditation retreat I feel great on vegan fare. You simply have to adjust to whatever feels best for you at the moment. In general though, with whatever ingredients you pick, fresh and minimally processed (stick to the outside isles of the grocery store) is a good start. | |
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Basically, what I'm doing now is basing everything on how I feel. So far, I feel great eating paleo. I'm not hungry, my clothes are getting loose, and I have lots of energy. Here are some articles that might help you... Vegetarian and Veganism Articles: Thought-provoking Articles about Vegetarianism and Vegans Specifically, check out this one, Natural Health Gurus Ate Animal Foods, which talks about all the veg* gurus who eat meat. One that kinda shocked me was to find out that Harvey Diamond, author of Fit for Life, later denounced veg*anism and started consuming animal proteins. Also, here's a wonderful list of links about the paleo way of eating/living if you're interested in learning the reasoning & science behind it. Paleolithic Diet Page (Paleo Diet, Caveman Diet, Hunter/Gatherer Diet) As for your high cholesterol, you might try sticking with very lean proteins and adding a lot more fresh fruits and veggies to your diet. Hope that helps! Dave | |
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Nobel price wining Linus Pauling clearly stated, “Every ailment, every sickness and every disease can be traced to a mineral deficiency (as a result of modern farming). Poisoning of Mankind: Blood Types, Copper Deficiency, Quote:
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Conditions Linked to Deficiencies of Magnesium WARNING! ZINC DEFICIENCY -- AS CAUSE OF MODERN ILLNESSES Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University-manganese Diagnose-Me: Condition: Chromium Deficiency Quote:
Brian Peskin is Brilliant, Truth about Brian Peskin, Essential Fatty Acids, Basic Essence, and Quantum Nutrition | Home Page | The Truth About Prof. Brian S. Peskin, L.S.E. You can see how frustrated am i to see the popular media still talk about the ill effect of all fats, cholesterol and red meat with respect to degenerative illness. It's like blaming the peanut butter for the E-coli infection instead of the hygience of the processing workplace ... Last edited by escapee; 11-12-2007 at 04:31 PM. | |||
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Well, I definitely feel better with meat in my system. And, I've tried some meat substitutes - and my digestive system is NOT impressed. I sometimes feel like throwing up afterwards. For breakfast, I had a banana. For lunch, a small bowl of spaghetti topped with salsa (because spaghetti sauce usually has sugar). And for dinner, a pot of chicken soup, and it was delicious. Usually, I would have a big egg omelet and home fries for breakfast, then half a rotisserie chicken with a huge side of white rice for lunch, and duck or pork or a big hamburger for dinner. For right now, I'm going to reduce portions, especially meat portions and dairy. I'm also going to try to cut out as much sugar and fats (oils and butter) as possible. |
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Sounds like you're doing great losing 10lbs. I've been vego for decades now and that suits me but it's not for everyone and you've got to know what's right for you. Certainly eliminating refined carbs like sucrose and white flours will help your health and weight considerably. Go well.
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Butter is good if it's organic (minus the pesticide and hormone). All of the fat soluble vitamins are in there and it's very stable when heated .The bad guys are the Margarine and commercial vegetable oils. THE MARGARINE HOAX Quote:
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Ub, I completely understand why people, these days, would want to be vegan. Especially with mass production of food, the addition of steroids and hormones, and the inhumane treatement of animals. However, there are alternatives to the regular meat, milk and cheese products we see in grocery stores. Most grocery stores worth their salt carry organic goods. These are quality foods produced by established farms. Even here in Canada, Loblaws has started its own line of PC organic products, so you know its clean and pure and without hormones. In Canada, Dominion only sells meat without hormones, which is excellent for the necessary move towards more organic and natural food. But I digress, I think you can cut down on meat and dairy and still be healthy. It's sugar you need to watch out for. I've lost ten lbs since I have started using honey in my coffee and raw sugar instead of white processed sugar. I love salad and feel that it's still the best appetizer for a meal. I think cutting out all meat and dairy could lead you to more health problems as you need a certain amount of fat in your diet in order to even burn fat. But it's your choice and this is just my opinion! |
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Hi Guys, just thought I would let you know about a really delicious lunch I've just had. Trying hard to give up meat. We had a barbecue. Living in South Africa we have a pretty meaty culture. So, while the rest of the family ate barbecued chicken, I sliced up an aubergine lengthwise, each slice about 1 cm thick. Brushed with garlicky olive oil and cooked on the fire. Also a cob of sweetcorn done on the fire. This, together with potatoes and a mixed salad (lettuce,spinach,tomato, grated carrot, avocado,peppers,spring onion,feta cheese and olives) made an incredible meal and I didn't miss the meat at all.Hope I can keep it up. I feel really healthy. First time I've had a non meat/fish/chicken barbecue. L |
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