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10-05-2007, 03:49 PM
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 Most compelling cases to reduce or eliminate alcohol I know that consumption of alcohol has been a heated topic on here before and many of the people here refrain from alcohol consumption completely. I'd love to hear the most compelling arguments people have from reducing or eliminating alcohol consumption. Articles, blog posts, books, whatever... Fire away! 
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10-05-2007, 03:57 PM
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| I'm lucky in that I don't suffer from an addictive personality. I happen to enjoy the taste of booze - fewer things are more pleasurable to me than a double of The Macallan scotch - but it's not something that has me in its grasp. And I gave up smoking recently and in truth really haven't found it that difficult. It's long since been proven that moderate alcohol consumption provides a benefit to human physiology. So I'm not of the ilk that "no booze = good" because that's not backed up by research. However, for those that are saddled with an addictive personality then maybe having booze in the house isn't the smartest idea... |
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10-05-2007, 04:05 PM
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| Hey, Jon, have you read this book, The Easyway to Quit Drinking by Alan Carr? It has been almost 2 months since I stopped drinking, mostly because of inspiration received from this book. There has been no suffering, no craving, no meetings, no relying on help from a higher power. It's just that after reading this book I realized that there is absolutely no benefit whatsoever to my life received from alcohol. The arguments for it being bad for you (which are debatable, as you'll see in cdn2wheeler's post above) are completely moot for me now -- it doesn't even matter if it "takes" from people's lives (which I'm quite sure it does) because why would I want to ingest something that adds no benefit? Crazy. That mindset has creeped into all my other ingestion, too.... I'm looking at every food and beverage and evaluating whether or not it will add to my vitality. Only powerfood and power drink need apply! |
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10-05-2007, 04:24 PM
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| Personally, I think that if you can enjoy it in moderation, there's no problem with alcohol. There are several studies out that indicate alcohol itself has beneficial effects on blood circulation, especially when combined with the antioxidants in red wine. But alcohol can be quite addictive for some, so if consumption begins to creep up, you've got to watch out.
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10-05-2007, 04:26 PM
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10-05-2007, 04:29 PM
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| I enjoy a glass of red wine every day and the benefits to me far outweigh any liabilities. Cheers!
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10-05-2007, 04:46 PM
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10-05-2007, 04:55 PM
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| There are studies that contradict each other on an ongoing basis. I guess the bottom line is to not consume anything in excess. Taking medications can cause kidney, liver and digestive problems so ultimately we have to make a conscious choice with everything we consume.
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10-05-2007, 04:58 PM
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10-05-2007, 05:09 PM
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| Research shows how alcohol is linked to cancer Red meat and alcohol increases risk of ulcerative colitis (inflammatory bowel disease) Beer and wine consumption can lead to higher blood pressure, new study shows Last edited by munish : 10-05-2007 at 05:14 PM. |
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10-06-2007, 10:22 AM
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I'm not that big of a fan of drinking, it's expensive, the hangovers and the fact that once I get started I have this tendency to just keep on going to almost pass-out point. Plus the fact that I don't always feel so good emotionally after consuming stuff, the feeling is that of emptiness almost. But that's me, that's my own argument against myself for the reduction and possibly even elimination of booze in my life. It's my own reactions to the alcohol which are the basis of my arguments, I do have a rather sensitive body and I haven't exactly taken good care of it. That's something I'm trying to change. So to sum it all up: My argument against booze- -very painful hangovers -expensive -addictive tendencies -not feeling so good emotionally, for some can take a while to get back to 'working order' -addictive tendencies ---> alcoholism ---> ruinous effect on an already ill-managed body (as the case maybe with some people) |
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10-08-2007, 05:55 PM
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| For me, alcohol (beyond a glass or two) tends to lower productivity. Also, for better and worse, it makes it easier to remain in suboptimal situations, such as hanging around people you may be less interested in when sober. With that said, when I don't feel a need to be productive, or perhaps I'm home visiting relatives/friends, alcohol is a welcome addition to things. My basic rule is that I only drink when I don't plan on driving for a while, and often when I reach my happy saturation point I start drinking water. Hangovers haven't been much of a problem, but that may be larglely due to drinking water, being fairly fit, young, and taking relatively good care of myself most of the time. If someone has addictive tendencies, is strapped for cash, wants to lose weight, or is on call and may need to drive or function at top levels at any moment, I don't recommend drinking. Last edited by openeyes : 10-08-2007 at 05:59 PM. |
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10-09-2007, 04:50 AM
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| it depletes your vitamin levels the euphoria is caused by alchohol poisoning, no matter how mild i am not in touch with my true self my thinking is instantly skewed i have an addictive personality drunk dialing hangovers lower productivity emotional emptiness getting chicks pregnant getting std's weakening your immune system driving the list goes on for me. i would elaborate on all of these but im drunk and dont feel like it (just kidding. see my point?).. na im really tired and need to go to bed. peace |
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02-09-2008, 08:01 PM
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02-09-2008, 10:26 PM
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You're conditioned to drink alcohol and if you want to stop drinking it, you can condition yourself to not drink alcohol. P.S. Personally I don't drink alcohol because I don't like it enough to bother.
__________________ When people see things as beautiful, ugliness is created. When people see things as good, evil is created. When the way is forgotten, 'morality' and 'piety' need to be taught. -Dao De Jing, Chapter 2 |
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02-10-2008, 11:19 PM
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| I don't know enough about alcohol's negative effects on the body to give you a compelling reason to eliminate use. But I've always found the following study interesting: http://www.ukcia.org/research/develo...ionalScale.pdf Take a look at these graphs from the study: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...77/20drugs.gif http://medinfo.netbib.de/wp-content/.../harmscore.gif Alcohol ranks rather high in terms of physical harm compared to other drugs. According to the above metastudy, alcohol is more harmful than LSD, MDMA (ecstasy), and cannabis. |
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02-11-2008, 02:59 AM
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| I've never once had a hangover, even after nights of considerable drunkenness. Isn't it pretty easy to minimize the effects though? Drink water, and get a good breakfast. |
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02-11-2008, 02:28 PM
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| Honestly, I think there's a touch of hysteria when people discuss the risks of alcohol. When I weigh up the costs and benefits, I find that having one or two beers on a friday night can actually be alright. It helps you relax and gets you talking to people. Even the most confident people feel a bit happier after a cold glass of Carlsberg. Just avoid mixing it with other stuff. That never does any good. |
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02-11-2008, 04:36 PM
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| I am a 22-year-old male who does not drink regularly and have probably only drank alcohol seven to ten times in my live. I have to say that with the right people it can be a load of fun, but if you are drinking in an empty room by yourself and doing it just because you are trying to escape from reality, then I would not recommend it. I believe you can drink alcohol in moderation, meaning at most once to twice a week. Just don't follow Doug Stanhope's advice of excess in moderation along with just regular moderation. |
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02-11-2008, 04:43 PM
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02-11-2008, 06:50 PM
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| Get your name in the paper. Alcohol is an easy way to get your name in the newspaper and not for a good reason. Getting a DUI is the number one reason that a normally law-abiding citizen can get a criminal record. You say that you won't drive? Police have been giving citations for public intoxication for people in bars. These people weren't being disruptive. Officers simply carried portable breathalyzers into bars. Apparently having a drink in hand is probable cause enough to check your alcohol level. Scary, huh? Personally, regular drinking makes me feel plain bad. I am no saint and have struggled with this myself. If you're contemplating not drinking, Do a thirty day trial and track how you feel. If you start drinking, again, document how you feel for the next 30 days. I have a strong suspicion that no one can feel their best consuming more than a drink or two on any occasion. |