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09-27-2007, 09:50 PM
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 Ron Paul/Constitution/Freedom/Liberty/Peace supporter? Take 60 seconds to read this! Hi guys! This is the Personal Development for Smart people forum, so I imagine there's quite a few Ron Paul supporters here who see through the usual neoconservative and political robot agenda. If you haven't heard, yet, Ron Paul just ran a $500k boost before the end of the quarter! In order for the media to notice him, we need to show he has a lot of tangible (to the media, this means money) support as well! Well, guess what? He raised $500k in a little over three days. The goal has been upped to one million dollars before the end of the quarter (midnight at Sep 30), and if you have $1 or more that you can donate (whether through a credit/debit card, paypal, check, etc.) to showing that freedom IS still popular, PLEASE, PLEASE do! Everything counts, and we need to unite together and do all we can to restore the Constitution, stop wasting our (the taxpayers') money on quagmires such as Iraq and policing other nations' borders, and show that Americans are not just puppets of our government! We should not be afraid or policed by our government; our government should be afraid and policed by us! Please help! :-) N.B. I am not affiliated with the campaign or candidate. I have never, ever been interested in "politics" (I'm a grad student only interested in math), but this guy is really something. EDIT: The only reason I'm posting this here (no, it's not a copy-pasted message, it was written fully in this text box) is because I've seen people like Steve (and by extension, people enthusiastic about his ideas) one of the most ardent proponents of rationality and freedom to handle one's own life.      |
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09-27-2007, 11:20 PM
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| Already did so. Actually I'm surprised Pavlina himself hasn't said anything about him, I remember from the old dexterity.com forums that he was in favor of small government and especially personal responsibility and lack of restrictive regulations (I may be misremembering but I remember a thread where he mentioned Atlas Shrugged positively even). |
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09-27-2007, 11:52 PM
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| A friend of mine mentioned Ron Paul is very anti-abortion and would make any abortion illegal, and also that he doesn't like the separation of church and state. Is this true? Can anyone comment on his stance on these issues?
__________________ Erin Pavlina, Intuitive Counselor, Psychic Medium Book a reading | Readings FAQ | Testimonials "I'm so glad I decided to get my reading! I never thought so much could be said and touched upon in half an hour's time. Many of the key areas that I was stuck in have been cleared up. The value I got was way beyond my expectations." - Maarten in Belgium |
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09-28-2007, 02:21 AM
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As for the separation of church and state, that one is more involved to explain as it involves looking at his whole philosophy instead of that narrow issue. I think when Ron Paul talks about not having a seperation of state and church, you have to take the fact that he believes in a state that is infinitely smaller then it currently is. Thus, with Ron Paul, all schools would be private, all charity/welfare handouts would be private, marriage would be defined by churches, not governments, etc. He also strongly believes in the freedom of religion, etc. Thus his anti " separation of church and state" views means something completely different then what one may think if applied to a different politician that believes in huge goverment. Thus, this isn't like George Bush trying to finance Churches. Ron Paul's view of maximizing people's freedom include maximizing people's freedom to worship and be a Christian even if they are government employees. I think that ultimately Ron Paul is against the Federal goverment setting anti-religious laws like banning prayers in school, banning the teaching of morals from the bible in school, banning Christian Cross/nativity scenes on public land. If one only looks at that one dimension, it does seem alarming, but if looked at with the fact that he wants to drastically cut down the goverment to less then 1/20th of its current size and enhance people's freedom, it makes a lot more sense. At least it does to me, and I'm not a Christian. BTW, I'm not interested in being in a debate over the goodness/awfulness of Ron Paul's views, so I will not respond to those criticizing these views. However there is the slight possibility I may have mis-stated his views, so please correct me if you are sure you know better. Last edited by seeker5 : 09-28-2007 at 08:39 PM. |
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09-28-2007, 02:38 AM
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| Thank you for the insight, that is very helpful. I'm all for downsizing government control so I'll be looking into that.
__________________ Erin Pavlina, Intuitive Counselor, Psychic Medium Book a reading | Readings FAQ | Testimonials "I'm so glad I decided to get my reading! I never thought so much could be said and touched upon in half an hour's time. Many of the key areas that I was stuck in have been cleared up. The value I got was way beyond my expectations." - Maarten in Belgium |
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09-28-2007, 05:33 AM
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Ron Paul is very anti-abortion. However, the key is that Ron Paul is, not his policies, or his votes. You can look at Ron Paul Library, his website, etc., but everywhere you will find the same thing: he fully supports letting the state decide the abortion issue, and he vehemently denies any federal ban or regulation on abortion--even though, personally, he doesn't like it. He thinks it should be up to the people (that is, let it be a state matter, not a Federal matter--note the latter is controlled by 435 elites known as "Congressman," whom Ron Paul is one of). P.S. I'm very pro-choice. I do not agree with his anti-abortion stance, but I fully agree with his stance that the federal government should not be involved. As for separation of church and state...well, I was born Catholic, and am now an atheist, let me say that first. Ron Paul, in this matter, thinks that there should be no federal restrictions or special privileges to churches and church groups compared to other organizations. However, he does not think the Founding Fathers intended for there to be a rigid separation between church and state. I disagree. Here's more on this. However, if you look at Ron's voting record, it's very clear his personal convictions do not influence his legislation. He's voted against preference to Christians, against limiting abortion, etc. |
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09-28-2007, 05:36 AM
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| One last thing to note. States represent their population. People in California are likely to want the government to a lot more/less/different things than people in Alabama. That's why states should have the control, not the federal government. |
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09-29-2007, 12:35 AM
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10-03-2007, 06:13 AM
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| He did it! Ron Paul raised $1.2 million in a week! |
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10-05-2007, 03:30 AM
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| And 5 million in the last quarter. Was all over the news today.  |
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10-05-2007, 12:03 PM
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11-04-2007, 05:52 AM
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__________________ Best, Dan Linehan |
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11-05-2007, 12:50 AM
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| Ron Paul's the best out of the bunch, but this is beginning to look like the Soviet perestroika. Too little, too late. |
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11-05-2007, 01:03 AM
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He is actually very PRO separation of church and state. He believes that, no matter what someone's beliefs or views are, the government has no business meddling with them. He'll also eliminate the department of education (i.e. public schools) and the IRS, and put allllllllllll of that money (BILLIONS of dollars) back into people's pockets. Why? So that parents have not only the choice but the resources to decide how and where they want their children educated. The result? Smarter students, for one. And also the *END* of the irritating "religion in school" debates (on either side), and more personal responsibility for students, and free market competition. The best schools stay, the ones that don't work go out of business. |
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11-05-2007, 01:09 AM
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Perestroika, though radical in the context of communism, was still just economic reform. Reform. Key word there. Ron Paul wants to hit the reset button and put all of the money back into our pockets (read that to say YOUR pocket). It's only too late if he doesn't get elected. Guess what happens then? The North American Union in 2010 - ending our constitution without the approval of congress. Canada, Mexico, and the United states form one massive body of government which controls our food, waster, and resource supplies. The very food that you put into your bodies will be completely controlled and regulated by government. You disobey, you don't eat. You obey, and you eat what they tell you to. This isn't some chicken little doomsday conspiracy theory either, CNN has covered it numerous times, and you can look up PLENTY of legitimate sources on google. It's even on the whitehouse's page (although very whitewashed). |
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11-05-2007, 01:53 AM
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| I'll look into that North American Union. Never heard of it before. I have a question though. Say Paul becomes President. How much will he be able to do? He'll have to deal with an entire Congress opposed to his views. |
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11-05-2007, 02:52 AM
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__________________ Best, Dan Linehan |
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11-05-2007, 12:43 PM
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If our government lost their minds and pushed for something like that, I'm fairly confident that government would be kicked out within a month. And if America comes to swallow us... well, it's been 200 years since we burned the whitehouse, maybe time for an encore?  That's not to say we would be opposed to joining into a massive country. I just don't believe we would allow that kind of government to stick around. We like our freedoms. |
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11-05-2007, 03:45 PM
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As president, *NO ONE* can ignore him for long, especially not congress. Also, for this reason, constituents are more likely to vote in favor of legislation that he tries to pass. If he wins, it sends a clear message to congress that this is who the american people want to listen to. Politicians want to keep their jobs, so they'll bow. |