Mel Gibson Drunken Rant Part 2

[zenrealized]

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[elucidate]

They won't let me see it in Australia. I'm half glad too...sounds horrible. Good Christian boy eh Mel???

[Plays With Life]

What in the world? All over fake breasts?

He seemed pretty convinced they looked "stupid" and made her look like a "Vegas whore" .. but he was so outraged she lied to him about them. If they really looked stupid, how the heck did he miss that for a whole relationship?

She is totally sexy.

[elucidate]

Did she get the breasts before or after they fell pregnant, cos, surely he wouldn't have minded too much if he made a baby with her

Ontop of the decline of western civilisation, Mel has lost his marbles and become a man posessed. Somebody call an exorcist for that poor boy!

[Plays With Life]

I vote Mel hires Angela to take care o' that gremlin of his.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Plays With Life

I vote Mel hires Angela to take care o' that gremlin of his.

I can help him with that.

I would start with TIME Techniques -- I think he has some ancient stored-up anger and hurt (and probably lots of guilt, sadness, and fear) that have been building up for quite some time, really creating some problems for him. I hope he takes care of it soon (I'm here for you, Mel) and that it doesn't create a major health problem for him. From his photographs, it looks like he's already got quite a pile of health issues that show in his face.

It would be great if he were to take personal responsibility for what he's creating, and take on resolving it for himself, for his families, for his community, and for the planet. I'm not saying he *should.* Just: it would be nice.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

He is beyond her help !!

No one is beyond my help -- no one is beyond being helped by anyone. They may be in a place in their lives where they're not ready to access help, but it's only a matter of a small shift, even in the most dire circumstances.

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by Angela

No one is beyond my help -- no one is beyond being helped by anyone. They may be in a place in their lives where they're not ready to access help, but it's only a matter of a small shift, even in the most dire circumstances.

okay -sorry !

[Angela]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

okay -sorry !

I'm surprised to hear "sorry" as a response to that -- I hope you don't feel chastised, and I can see how you might from what I said. If you did, I am sorry! I could have worded that better.

My point is: resources are all around, and the only thing that limits us is our choice, whether conscious or unconscious, to limit our access to them. In my opinion, and that's all that is!

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by Angela

I'm surprised to hear "sorry" as a response to that -- I hope you don't feel chastised, and I can see how you might from what I said. If you did, I am sorry! I could have worded that better.

My point is: resources are all around, and the only thing that limits us is our choice, whether conscious or unconscious, to limit our access to them. In my opinion, and that's all that is!

okay so my perspective of what you said
was that of being chastised
I see how this works now

[desertrat]

Mel Gibson is a good actor , but he has a bad attitude . I can understand a guy not wanting other guys to be attracted to there girlfriend/wife , but getting upset about fake breasts ? I have been attracted to big breasted girls , but there poor and wouldent have the money to have enhancement any way . If I were Mel Gibsons wife/g.f. I would get enough money to rase the kid and split. desert rat

[desertrat]

It looks like there filling criminal charges on Mel Gibson over the convo. and him knocking out some of her teeth.

[zenrealized]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

okay so my perspective of what you said
was that of being chastised
I see how this works now

My perspective is that you were being chastised. Angela I could help you with that. I have a program. I would tell you maybe you ought to possibly consider that some people are "off the shelf" so to speak.

Clearly some people are beyond help. Maybe you could help them tie their shoes better or something. If you mean actual help that would make them act better I'm sure you could find plenty of people that are out of their freaking minds.

Mel Gibson would be one of those cases where he probably could be helped. It depends on what you consider help. If you wanted to make that definition as subjective as possible then sure you are right. You seemed pretty emphatic about it like you meant meaningful help.

Some people would just look at the sentence of finding their rage and shut their brain off. I know I probably would.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by zenrealized

Angela I could help you with that.

Thank you, but no help necessary - that conversation was complete.

[zenrealized]

Originally Posted by Angela

Thank you, but no help necessary - that conversation was complete.

Damn I just wish I knew how to reach you. I have failed at helping here. I'm going to write some letters to Charles Manson to see if I can put a dent in his nutcaseness.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by zenrealized

Damn I just wish I knew how to reach you. I have failed at helping here. I'm going to write some letters to Charles Manson to see if I can put a dent in his nutcaseness.

From hearing him speak, Manson may be one of those people who are not yet ready to access help. My evaluation is that he has shown himself so consistently over the last 40 years or so to be unwilling to shift perspective, attached as he is to the one he's been using, so I don't think he'll be even wanting help of any sort any time soon. It's possible, though. Mel Gibson, on the other hand -- my guess is that even as we type, he's looking for some way to make a difference for himself, and may very well be open to new perspective.

But good luck with your letter writing campaign!

[James81]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

okay so my perspective of what you said
was that of being chastised
I see how this works now

Right on, darlin.

There will come a moment...a bright, shining moment...when it'll hit you, like a ton of bricks (just like the gremlin), how true that really is.

Perhaps you'll see it right now. Perhaps in a day or two. Perhaps in a month. Maybe you'll come back and say "Oh, but I DO get that James" and I'll smile and be all "Yay!" And then later, in some other moment, it'll REALLY hit you.

(I'm being a bit over the top there of course. )

But seriously, take a gander at all these threads in this forum alone. See how different the advice is from poster to poster. Just the mere fact that two people can walk into a thread like this and see the same situation from two completely different angles, is amazing to me.

And then, when the courage begins to build in you, turn that observation around to yourself and see that another person, with another set of beliefs, would probably be reacting to YOUR circumstances in a completely different way. Then, more importantly, realize that that doesn't make YOUR persepctive wrong. There is no wrong perspective. There are perspectives that move your towards what you want, there are perspectives that keep you producing the things you don't want, there are perspectives that keep you hidden, lost, happy, sad, angry, giggly, sexy...There's a plethora of them. And you create them. Even the ones that someone feeds to you (like THIS one) are but creations of your perspective on MY perspective. You understanding me (or not) means nothing about ME, it means that you've come into alignment with my perspective.

I think the perhaps thinking of it in that way kind of primes you for movement. When you see that your perspective IS free to change, you become a little like the Tin Man when he gets some oil...a little creaky at first, but the more you move, the smoother it becomes until you find yourself not standing out in a field rusting, but, rather, moving forward again.

[James81]

Originally Posted by Angela

No one is beyond my help -- no one is beyond being helped by anyone.

So true. So so true.

There are so many people we, as a society, just write off. It's kinda sad.

I mean, it's one thing to think about helping someone with an eating disorder or someone who is facing depression. We can typically sympathize with them.

But it's something else, it seems, to think about helping a rapist or a murderer. And I think the big difference is, it's hard to sympathize with people who victimize OTHERS. Whereas, when someone's victimizing THEMSELF, it doesn't seem as bad. Kinda funny how it's "ok" (I use that word loosely) for people to victimize themselves.

I suppose it's also hard to let go of our judgments and our preconceived notions about people who do such acts as rape or murder in cold blood. But I reckon that the people who can truly reach someone like that, would have to have a deep sense of inner peace and self worth. To be able to look upon someone such as that with compassion (which I assert is the number one tool in truly reaching someone) is a beautiful thing. Perhaps THE most beautiful thing ever.

Perhaps that's what separated the likes of people like Jesus, Buddha, etc. from the "ordinary" folks.

[Plays With Life]

Originally Posted by James81

Whereas, when someone's victimizing THEMSELF, it doesn't seem as bad. Kinda funny how it's "ok" (I use that word loosely) for people to victimize themselves.

I know, right? The forum bans people for calling others bad names. But how come the mods never ban people for calling themselves bad names?

"Oh, you can't say unpleasant things about anyone .. except for yourself! Put yourself down all you want!"

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Plays With Life

I know, right? The forum bans people for calling others bad names. But how come the mods never ban people for calling themselves bad names?

"Oh, you can't say unpleasant things about anyone .. except for yourself! Put yourself down all you want!"

Won't it be a lovely day when people recognize that when they are being contemptuous of others, they're being contemptuous of themselves?

Mel's trouble has nothing to do with Oksana. She's just his latest mirror buddy.

[Plays With Life]

Originally Posted by Angela

Won't it be a lovely day when people recognize that when they are being contemptuous of others, they're being contemptuous of themselves?

Mel's trouble has nothing to do with Oksana. She's just his latest mirror buddy.

Totally, and totally.

[James81]

Originally Posted by Plays With Life

I know, right? The forum bans people for calling others bad names. But how come the mods never ban people for calling themselves bad names?

"Oh, you can't say unpleasant things about anyone .. except for yourself! Put yourself down all you want!"

LOL

Well, damn, if that were the case I'd be working on a triple permaban at this point.

[roxyruby]

Originally Posted by James81

So true. So so true.

There are so many people we, as a society, just write off. It's kinda sad.

I mean, it's one thing to think about helping someone with an eating disorder or someone who is facing depression. We can typically sympathize with them.

But it's something else, it seems, to think about helping a rapist or a murderer. And I think the big difference is, it's hard to sympathize with people who victimize OTHERS. Whereas, when someone's victimizing THEMSELF, it doesn't seem as bad. Kinda funny how it's "ok" (I use that word loosely) for people to victimize themselves.

I suppose it's also hard to let go of our judgments and our preconceived notions about people who do such acts as rape or murder in cold blood. But I reckon that the people who can truly reach someone like that, would have to have a deep sense of inner peace and self worth. To be able to look upon someone such as that with compassion (which I assert is the number one tool in truly reaching someone) is a beautiful thing. Perhaps THE most beautiful thing ever.

Perhaps that's what separated the likes of people like Jesus, Buddha, etc. from the "ordinary" folks.

Yes we care about people with cancer, so why not a murderer, who also is severely ill. I mean someone who does that, has either a personality disorder or are mentally or emotionally ill. They have an illness. And yes they are dangerous to be around because of their illness so it is the right thing to keep them away from other people, but it's the wrong thing to hurt them because they are ill.
In an ideal world, people who murder or whatever would be kept away from other people, even against their own will if need be, and not allowed back out until they have recovered from whatever illness in their brain that causes them to kill people. They could have an option to either stay in jail/facility with no treatment and stay there all their life, or they could choose the option of working with a therapist to get better, and not be allowed out until mental and emotional tests of their brain and their beliefs show them to not be dangerous to people anymore.

[zenrealized]

Originally Posted by James81

Right on, darlin.

There will come a moment...a bright, shining moment...when it'll hit you, like a ton of bricks (just like the gremlin), how true that really is.

Perhaps you'll see it right now. Perhaps in a day or two. Perhaps in a month. Maybe you'll come back and say "Oh, but I DO get that James" and I'll smile and be all "Yay!" And then later, in some other moment, it'll REALLY hit you.

(I'm being a bit over the top there of course. )

But seriously, take a gander at all these threads in this forum alone. See how different the advice is from poster to poster. Just the mere fact that two people can walk into a thread like this and see the same situation from two completely different angles, is amazing to me.

And then, when the courage begins to build in you, turn that observation around to yourself and see that another person, with another set of beliefs, would probably be reacting to YOUR circumstances in a completely different way. Then, more importantly, realize that that doesn't make YOUR persepctive wrong. There is no wrong perspective. There are perspectives that move your towards what you want, there are perspectives that keep you producing the things you don't want, there are perspectives that keep you hidden, lost, happy, sad, angry, giggly, sexy...There's a plethora of them. And you create them. Even the ones that someone feeds to you (like THIS one) are but creations of your perspective on MY perspective. You understanding me (or not) means nothing about ME, it means that you've come into alignment with my perspective.

I think the perhaps thinking of it in that way kind of primes you for movement. When you see that your perspective IS free to change, you become a little like the Tin Man when he gets some oil...a little creaky at first, but the more you move, the smoother it becomes until you find yourself not standing out in a field rusting, but, rather, moving forward again.

Yeah they might have a different perspective but one of them would be more accurate.

[zenrealized]

Originally Posted by James81

So true. So so true.

There are so many people we, as a society, just write off. It's kinda sad.

I mean, it's one thing to think about helping someone with an eating disorder or someone who is facing depression. We can typically sympathize with them.

But it's something else, it seems, to think about helping a rapist or a murderer. And I think the big difference is, it's hard to sympathize with people who victimize OTHERS. Whereas, when someone's victimizing THEMSELF, it doesn't seem as bad. Kinda funny how it's "ok" (I use that word loosely) for people to victimize themselves.

I suppose it's also hard to let go of our judgments and our preconceived notions about people who do such acts as rape or murder in cold blood. But I reckon that the people who can truly reach someone like that, would have to have a deep sense of inner peace and self worth. To be able to look upon someone such as that with compassion (which I assert is the number one tool in truly reaching someone) is a beautiful thing. Perhaps THE most beautiful thing ever.

Perhaps that's what separated the likes of people like Jesus, Buddha, etc. from the "ordinary" folks.

Yeah as long as they never ever get out of prison having compassion for murderers and rapists seems harmless. Murder is a question of capability almost always. Depending on the situation once someone proves that they are capable of a terrible action letting them out of prison presents a risk that other people would choose not to take if they had a choice.

[Gene]

I choose not to judge Mel Gibson or his girlfriend. Where there is that much dysfunction there is a tremendous opportunity for accepting responsibility from all concerned.

For me it is not about taking sides and participating but accepting the people with love in my heart.

[roxyruby]

Originally Posted by Gene

I choose not to judge Mel Gibson or his girlfriend. Where there is that much dysfunction there is a tremendous opportunity for accepting responsibility from all concerned.

For me it is not about taking sides and participating but accepting the people with love in my heart.

you are a big bucket of wisdom and kindness gene! Wish I had your "genes" hahahaha

[roxyruby]

Originally Posted by zenrealized

Yeah as long as they never ever get out of prison having compassion for murderers and rapists seems harmless. Murder is a question of capability almost always. Depending on the situation once someone proves that they are capable of a terrible action letting them out of prison presents a risk that other people would choose not to take if they had a choice.

yes I agree. If people show they are capable of danger to society, the best thing would be to keep them away from people until proven uncapable of danger to society, which possibly could be achieved with I don't know, rehab, therapy etc

sending a murderer or rapist to jail for a few years then letting them out without them recieving help, unless you have made them into a better person, all thats doing is delaying the danger of that person for a few years

[James81]

Originally Posted by roxyruby

you are a big bucket of wisdom and kindness gene! Wish I had your "genes" hahahaha

Haha, yeah, I <3 Gene.

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by James81

Right on, darlin.

There will come a moment...a bright, shining moment...when it'll hit you, like a ton of bricks (just like the gremlin), how true that really is.

Perhaps you'll see it right now. Perhaps in a day or two. Perhaps in a month. Maybe you'll come back and say "Oh, but I DO get that James" and I'll smile and be all "Yay!" And then later, in some other moment, it'll REALLY hit you.

(I'm being a bit over the top there of course. )

But seriously, take a gander at all these threads in this forum alone. See how different the advice is from poster to poster. Just the mere fact that two people can walk into a thread like this and see the same situation from two completely different angles, is amazing to me.

And then, when the courage begins to build in you, turn that observation around to yourself and see that another person, with another set of beliefs, would probably be reacting to YOUR circumstances in a completely different way. Then, more importantly, realize that that doesn't make YOUR persepctive wrong. There is no wrong perspective. There are perspectives that move your towards what you want, there are perspectives that keep you producing the things you don't want, there are perspectives that keep you hidden, lost, happy, sad, angry, giggly, sexy...There's a plethora of them. And you create them. Even the ones that someone feeds to you (like THIS one) are but creations of your perspective on MY perspective. You understanding me (or not) means nothing about ME, it means that you've come into alignment with my perspective.

I think the perhaps thinking of it in that way kind of primes you for movement. When you see that your perspective IS free to change, you become a little like the Tin Man when he gets some oil...a little creaky at first, but the more you move, the smoother it becomes until you find yourself not standing out in a field rusting, but, rather, moving forward again.

I didn't see this before thanks james