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Erin Pavlina 08-16-2007 04:20 PM

Did I choose to be disabled before I incarnated? (Blog)
 
Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Erin Pavlina's blog:

Did I choose to be disabled before I incarnated?

{aspiring_to_clarity} 08-16-2007 05:14 PM

Hey Erin, thanks for this blog. I wonder about certain neurological diseases like Autism? Autistic people don't seem to be aware of their condition at all (in the way a neurotypical person would know they are blind or deaf or have cancer). Since Autism is almost an epidemic now, do you think that maybe it is more environmentally triggered? Just curious. Don't know if that makes sense, but I would love to hear any additional thoughts if you have some time.

Thanks.

Erin Pavlina 08-16-2007 05:36 PM

Not too sure about autism. Isn't it true that some people are born with autism and some develop it when they are young?

If so, I would say autism chosen before birth falls under the same category I described in the entry. If autism happens along the way then it is either the result of free will actions or conditions here on earth such as pollution or chemicals or other toxins.

aelle 08-16-2007 05:48 PM

Interesting article. I have given the subject a lot of thought lately, and that was the conclusion I had come up with too, so it's good to hear your guides concur. That all the handicaps we grow up with are to be considered like handicaps in a horse race - that they are an extra challenge and a way to help us grow.

However you are saying that you only pick the characteristics we are born with, not what happens later on, right? Does that mean that everything that happens to us in early childhood is purely random? How does that fit with your beliefs on law of attraction?

{aspiring_to_clarity} 08-16-2007 05:57 PM

Thanks for your reply, Erin. From what I understand the actual cause is not truly known. Most children develop normally for some time before hitting a wall and regressing. They tend to begin developing language and being able to interact socially as 'normal' but at some point stop and 'become autistic'.

I guess there is really no definitive answer on the cause, but I see your point. Thanks for taking the time.

Savage 08-16-2007 06:20 PM

Being colorblind is pretty cool. It makes sense I'd chose to see the world differently than most. It also means I have to trust people to pick ripe fruit for me.

I read an article recently that said colorblind people may be better at seeing things hidden by color camouflage. I.e. we're less easily fooled by appearances. :)

Erin Pavlina 08-16-2007 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aelle (Post 101238)
However you are saying that you only pick the characteristics we are born with, not what happens later on, right? Does that mean that everything that happens to us in early childhood is purely random? How does that fit with your beliefs on law of attraction?

Read my blog entry on Destiny Vs. Free Will for the answer to this question.

{aspiring_to_clarity} 08-16-2007 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina (Post 101249)
It also means I have to trust people to pick ripe fruit for me.

Hehehehehe. Has Erin ever played a practical fruit joke on you? :D

Naito 08-16-2007 07:38 PM

Interesting article. I wonder if some disabilities acquired after we are born are also planned. My dad was in a bad land mine accident as a child and lost his entire right arm, one eye and two fingers from left hand. In spite of this, he lead amazingly full life, never collected any disability cheques, obtained university degree, worked until he was 72, had a great family, built a house, etc, and all under old communist regime in Eastern Europe. I know he had to overcome a lot to complete all this and he inspires a lot of people by his strength. I wonder if this was planned before his birth?

Erin Pavlina 08-16-2007 10:51 PM

Major events are often pre-planned, yes. I couldn't say with certainty if that event was one of them. But definitely could have been.

hymalaia 08-17-2007 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity} (Post 101240)
Thanks for your reply, Erin. From what I understand the actual cause is not truly known. Most children develop normally for some time before hitting a wall and regressing. They tend to begin developing language and being able to interact socially as 'normal' but at some point stop and 'become autistic'.

I guess there is really no definitive answer on the cause, but I see your point. Thanks for taking the time.

toxins can effect a child in utero, long before birth. Those born with autism could still have gotten it as a result of toxic exposure. They just got the exposure earlier than those who regressed.

Granted not every child exposed to the same toxins gets autism; genetics likely plays a part here.

I guess the questions, as they relate to this post, would be:

a.) did the children with autism chose to be exposed to toxins?

b.) did they chose a to inhabit a brain/body that would be adversly affected by such exposure?

I think it's quite possible that autism is induced 100% by toxins/environmental factors. If this were the case, who is responsible? A society that refuses to clean up after itself? Those in charge of said society who have the power to change this but because of their free will (desire for profit) don't?

Lots of interesting questions arise when you bring up the autism epidemic.

kgiuliani 08-17-2007 03:07 PM

I am the parent of a 21 yo son with Down Syndrome. That means he has 3 #21 chromosomes which causes mental retardation - his IQ is around 70 or so.

You know, I can see how his birth and life have taught me so many perfect lessons - too numerous to mention.

I remember after we found out that he had Down Syndrome, my mind went through scenario after scenario of how horrible his life was going to be - all the problems he'd experience, he'd never get married, he'd never do this or that or the other thing. Then I re-thought it and realized I couldn't predict anything about him or his sister. She is the one who's had a lot of difficulties so far in her life!

I can also see the huge number of people who have been influenced by him. I can't tell you how many teachers and students from his school as well as many, many other people have told me how much they love him.

I believe that he is here to teach people - compassion, forgiveness and how to live a life where worries don't exist.

He never worries. He forgives quickly (or just forgets why he's mad). He loves people. He loves to make people laugh. He's quick to say he's sorry. He says thank you a lot. His life is pretty much taken care of - he has people helping him find a job, he has door-to-door bus transportation, he has free medical care.

That's not to say he doesn't have stubborn moments and never gets angry - he does but he never stays that way for long.

XeutonMojukai 08-17-2007 10:28 PM

I know for certain that I chose this life pre-incarnation.

Since a very young age, I've had dreams and visions of a sort of character select screen like a video game, except I'm actually choosing my incarnation. I chose this incarnation because it would be a challenge the whole time pretty much. I also thought it was cool that I would not only be externally fortunate, but internally suffering every day in some way or another. I thought it would be fascinating to try such an extreme life, but still be trapped in enough normality that I couldn't just be disabled (not to offend those with such needs, since I don't need them and thus would only want them as an excuse for me to be lazy, but I know that those who need them need them for good reasons).

I thought it was cool that I would be seemingly at perfect balance, but still always on the edge.

In this life it's a crazy ride, and right now in the crash of an energy drink I feel like it was a bad decision, but eventually I'll be proud of it again.

Did I choose to have my Tourette Syndrome, ADHD, OCD, and all that? Yes.

Did I choose to get addicted part-way to energy drinks? No. That was David's fault, not My fault, if that makes sense.

~ David


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