Was Hitler?s life pre-planned? (Blog)

[Erin Pavlina]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Erin Pavlina's blog:

Was Hitler?s life pre-planned?

[beautyscientist]

It isn't even a certainty that Hitler will turn out to have a net evil effect on the world. Jews were discriminated against in Europe prior to Hitler. Since then anti-semitism has been considered completely unnacceptable and this seems to have become extended to all forms of racism. I feel that this has led to the avoidance of much evil that might otherwise have occurred. I agree that the programme of extermination initiated by Hitler is one of the most horrific events in history, but who knows what else might have happened that could have been even worse?

[Cantando]

I believe a country gets the leader they deserve. When a nation is under threat or stress of some kind, the combined consciousness of the people creates an overall mass of energy pushing outwards and wishing to be manifested. Germany had been smarting since losing the war in 1918 - losing land to France and going into economic recession. Hitler rode this wave and filtered up to the top (like a zit being squeezed!), to represent all this suppressed anger and desire for revenge. If he had stepped down sometime in the 1930s, there were others of a similar bent of mind who would have filled his shoes.
Similarly, in Britain, there was the nation's desire to defend itself and protect democracy. One minister rose up to lead the country, Neville Chamberlain, but he was found wanting. Then Churchill arrived on the scene and the British knew he was the best man for the job.
As individuals, Hitler and Churchill still had the choice to back out at any time, so no, their lives were not pre-planned.

[Matthew Shea]

Many people don't realize that anti-semitism in Germany goes back way before Hitler's time. Erin is absolutely right that he was a product of his society. The difference between him and any other German of the time was that he recognized how widespread these anti-semitic feelings were and was able to capitalize on them and ride them to power. He then had the moral bankrupcy, if you will, to act on them.

Beautyscientist also has a very good point, though, that you can never really accurately judge such a horrific event not knowing what would have happened had Hitler not done this. The timing of the holocaust does seem to coincide quite nicely with the coming about of the civil rights movement in this country. Who knows?

Now I certainly believe that Hitler will pay for what he did, but the evil he committed could have been what society needed to realize the problem with the pervasive racist attitudes of the time.

[Bloggeries]

There is a theory that Hitler was a Rothschild decendent. One of th male members slept with a maid. It was kept secret; a very well guarded one.

My Question: Without the help of a MNC Family uber connected how could someone like hitler get into the position to win over the people.

YES hitler was charasmatic which is needed and he did win the people but just to o get a "Shot" and a minute "on stage" ... How many strings were pulled and by whom... Things never "just happen".

[onespirit]

What if Hitler did choose to experience how he would live his earth life before birth? What if we all decide before birth to have a certain growth experience? What if we all decide to help each other before birth for the development of the soul? How many lives were changed by the birth and life of Hitler and we cannot judge the growth of the souls touched. There is a book written by the author who wrote "Conversations with God", in it is described that we all choose the dramas and your very enemy is actually the soul who stepped forward before birth and said " I will be your enemy so that you may learn..." and why would we do this? Because we each give to each other the lesson of love and growth. This is just my opinion.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by onespirit

What if Hitler did choose to experience how he would live his earth life before birth?

I find that difficult to swallow - Hitler thinking to himself before he was born, "Hmm, what shall I do next lifetime? I know, I'll create a German master race, slaughter a few million Jews and start World War 2", while angels and higher beings looked on and said, "Well, off you go then. Good luck!".

The two stumbling blocks to that idea are:
1) The individual can decide at any time to make a different choice.
2) What if someone stronger than you, with a greater will power, comes along and thwarts whatever plan you had in mind?

Anyway, I thought the idea of reincarnation was to come back and try and behave a bit better than you did the previous time!

[gvvaughan]

Originally Posted by Cantando

I find that difficult to swallow - Hitler thinking to himself before he was born, "Hmm, what shall I do next lifetime? I know, I'll create a German master race, slaughter a few million Jews and start World War 2", while angels and higher beings looked on and said, "Well, off you go then. Good luck!".

I certainly don't want to be drawn into the details of such a sensitive and contentious subject, except to point out that (in agreement with onespirit), how can an individual be expected to develop and expand without suffering and/or difficulties to overcome? I think of it like the poles of a magnet: you can't have one without the other. On some level the definition of good is "a lack of evil", so there needs to be evil in the world in order for the good to exist. Or to put it another way, in some hypothetical utopian future society that has eradicated all of the things we consider evil today, the concepts of good and evil will surely still exist, and both will be practiced; however, the spectrum between the future extremes might be much narrower. For arguments sake, stretching only as far as, say, kicking your neighbour's dog at the evil end.

To put a finer point on it, I honestly believe that the difficulties we face as human creatures, even in the shortest most miserable life imaginable, are the very things that define the nobler qualities we might not otherwise be given the opportunity to express. And consequently, if you also subscribe to Erin's major life events as pieces of cheese on our life path ideas, then some of those pieces of cheese have to include acts that can be labelled as evil from a humanitarian perspective...

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by gvvaughan

I certainly don't want to be drawn into the details of such a sensitive and contentious subject, except to point out that (in agreement with onespirit), how can an individual be expected to develop and expand without suffering and/or difficulties to overcome?

Yes, I fully agree that we can develop and expand through suffering and overcoming obstacles (not all people do however). I was not questioning that.
Do you believe Hitler's life was pre-planned?
Even if he did have some idea how his life was going to evolve, it still wasn't set in concrete. As I said, we always have the choice to do things differently and there may be others who do thwart our choices.
I also believe in the power of prayer and I am convinced that when groups of people pray fervently enough, potential accidents/disasters/suffering which are on the point of becoming manifest in the world, can be averted.

[Cael]

How does one spirit get to decide if he can reincarnate? And why does every spirit is regarded as lovey dovey type? How about the slightly more evil ones? The one that are close to devils. Can't they reincarnate too? Can't they decide what they want for life, and subsequently pursue them just like the rest of us?

Would it not be possible, if not probable for Hitler to be just one of these others?


Putting aside those questions, why is everybody so certain that Hitler decided to commit the genocide? He may be at the top, but if the ones below him pressure him for it, he will not be able to do otherwise, or he will be removed or killed in worst case. However, all of us only remember Hitler because he was the leader. I don't even know who was the 2nd man in power. History book never taught me that. But just maybe, a very big maybe. Hitlet never meant to do that. Someone else pushed him to do so.

[RallyMcnally]

I think everyone needs to take into account the mind-control, the programming, the brainwashing, the conditioning, the abuse, the entity attachments, and the negative influences that we all are dealing with.

Nobody should throw blame at Hitler or anyone for what they have done in their life. We are not to judge, since we don't see the big picture of what is really going on.

I've heard many other so called "psychics "and so called "spiritual people" talk about how Hitler had to much negative Karma that he would never be able to pay off in future lifetimes, so he "ceased to exist". I don't buy it! If one person ceases to exist, we all cease to exist, since were all one.

[Matthew Shea]

Cael, to be in a position of leadership means that you call the shots and you take responsibility for what happens underneath you. Why do you think CEOs are often held responsible and are either fired or forced to resign when their company is having problems? The CEO doesn't do the vast majority of the actual work that makes the company function, but he's still in charge and is held accountable. The same goes for political leaders. If Hitler was conflicted about the genocide he presided over, he sure didn't show it publicly and he sure didn't seem to make any effort to stop it.

Personally, I believe in Heaven and Hell, but I pray that God would find some way to have mercy on his soul. I don't see how, but...