Do you see animals on the other side? (Blog)

[Erin Pavlina]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Erin Pavlina's blog:

Do you see animals on the other side?

[Dan.Linehan]

Good to know, I was thinking about this this week.

[JoaquinFox]

I guess you can only speak to your experience and you do say that animal channelling isn't your forte. Totally fair, I myself am curious about all the factory farmed animals...as a fellow vegan I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. I get a lot of insight from looking at the universe and spiritual realms from your perspective, but I'm curious how your experience accounts for these animals and their spiritual path.

[Erin Pavlina]

So far I have only encountered animal companions. I have not channeled or encountered an animal that was slaughtered for food. I shudder to think what they might have to say to the person who ate them. Connecting with your deceased dinner probably isn't too high on most people's lists.

The animals who are slaughtered for food are at the mercy of us conscious beings who choose to kill them in order to eat. They are here to teach humanity a lesson... one I hope we get soon. Was it Thomas Jefferson who said the moral character of a nation can be determined by how its animals are treated or something like that? I would concur.

The animals are brave souls indeed to incarnate only to be slaughtered.

[OlderWiser]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

So far I have only encountered animal companions. I have not channeled or encountered an animal that was slaughtered for food.

That's quite interesting. I wonder if there's something about being a companion animal that gives them something.... extra (for lack of a better term). You know, like in that story, "The Velveteen Rabbit", where being loved deeply made the toy rabbit real? (Gee, I hope I haven't spoiled the book for everyone )

[JoaquinFox]

Thank you Erin for your response. You do good work. Just wondering aloud how we can give voices to these innumerous slaughtered animals that are here to teach humanity a lesson. Psychic communication seemed like a new persuasive approach, but there's plenty of other tools and evidence that are still categorically ignored by the general public... new tools aren't necessarily what's needed, but rather raised consciousness. My hope is the lesson is learned soon as well.

[Lola]

Thanks for this Erin. I revisited this article today as I had to have my beloved Jake put to sleep last night. He tangled with a rattlesnake some time yesterday and was too horribly sick, too old, and too small for the amount of venom he took to make the cost-prohibitive, little chance of success anti-venom treatment a true option.

RIP Jake
1993-2007

I love you. You're the greatest dog ever.

[Lallymac]

This blog reminded me of the first I saw an animal that had passed away.
I had felt very honored to be allowed to be the guest of an aquaintence in closed circle run by a well known local medium. As a group we were taken through various sensing energy activities and finished up sitting in circle giving brief readings to someone in the group in turn.
I was nervous and as my turn approached and couldn't see anything other than a little Scots terrier in a tartan jacket with a red bow between it's ears. It was running round and round inside the circle yapping like mad and I had no idea who it belonged to. As I said what I could see it ran up to the medium and put is paws on his knees. To my horror he burst into tears. I remember thinking I'd blown any chance of being invited back.
Then he said the little dog had been his wife's beloved pet and he'd accidently run it over backing his car up the driveway.
The dog was licking him affectionately to say all was forgiven.
I've seen many animals since and seen the joy it brings to their owners knowing they're and well cared for in spirit.
lallymac

[Rose of Cairo]

Erin, in your blog you say "I believe animals do have souls, though they are not quite like our own." My question is : why not like our own? Why couldn't the same soul incarnate as a human and in the next life as an animal? like "oh, this time I want to be a cat.." I personally cannot see any reason why this couldn't be possible, for I consider animals just like humans. Would you please explain me your reasons for thinking like you do? As a psychic, maybe you have informations I don't have.

In your opinion there are spiritual beings able to incarnate only as humans, and some others able to incarnate only as animals? Always as the same animal, or as any animal? Why do you draw such a line between animals and humans? I'm confused

[Erki]

Are those animals slaughtered for food also on the other side now? Have you(anyone here, not just Erin) seen any? What are their thoughts and feelings?

And I have the same question like Rose too. I'd like to be a dolphin in my next life. (check out my new thread about plants too, I'd like to be a rose too).

[Lallymac]

Originally Posted by Erki

Are those animals slaughtered for food also on the other side now? Have you(anyone here, not just Erin) seen any? What are their thoughts and feelings?

And I have the same question like Rose too. I'd like to be a dolphin in my next life. (check out my new thread about plants too, I'd like to be a rose too).

If you allow your minds the freedom, you can experience being the rose and dolphin without having to die to do so.
Lallymac

[Betrade]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

So far I have only encountered animal companions. I have not channeled or encountered an animal that was slaughtered for food. I shudder to think what they might have to say to the person who ate them. Connecting with your deceased dinner probably isn't

too high on most people's lists.

The animals who are slaughtered for food are at the mercy of us conscious beings who choose to kill them in order to eat. They are here to teach humanity a lesson... one I hope we get soon. Was it Thomas Jefferson who said the moral character of a nation can be determined by how its animals are treated or something like that? I would concur.

The animals are brave souls indeed to incarnate only to be slaughtered.

So how does a deer feel about the crocodile or lioness that consciously stalks, kills and eats it, or the little fish that's eaten by the bigger fish, or even the plankton that's eaten by the whale??? How about the lion cub that's killed by the new male lion before he'll mate with the lioness, so he stands a better chance to pass on his genes, while refusing to care for any creature not of his bloodline?? How about the mouse eaten by the snake, or even the human eaten by the shark, which is rare, but does happen??

Like it or not, living things need to ingest other living things, or organic matter of some kind in order to continue living. Plants are alive, and we still have to kill, or at the very least, cut part of them off in order to eat them, or bake them into breads, cereals or other things.

I'm not even a big meat eater myself anymore, but I don't feel bad when I do eat it. I love to eat a rainbow trout I just caught two hours before I eat it. That's as fresh as it gets, and delicious too.

But, my point is, raccoons like them too, and they can't resist those crawdads either. Snapping turtles love trout and other fish too. All of these creatures must give up their lives so others may eat and live, whether they're humans, or simply other wild creatures. I see humans as fortunate to be so high on the food chain. We just aren't eaten very often, but most animals are. Rabbits, squirrels, beavers, prarie dogs; you name it. Wolves eat all of those creatures and more, and so do Coyotes, foxes, and other canines. Cats eat birds, chipmunks, and other rodents.

I see Blue Herons eat fish all the time where I live, yet no one denounces the Herons, or the Hawks, Eagles and other birds of prey. It seems to me that only humans take heat from other humans for eating meat, yet it's okay when other mammals, birds or reptiles do it.

I never hear anyone complaining when bears eat salmon, which humans are farming BTW, as well as building fish ladders so they can still reach their spawning grounds, but I do hear that it's bad when humans do. I just don't see why we're so different, and yet the same people will say that we're not much different than chimps, who, BTW, have a higher murder rate than humans do among the male population. It's around 30% last I heard. The alpha's kill the weaker males in order to mate.

They may not eat much meat, but they have no problem deliberately killing one another, and even use weapons when necessary. It's not uncommon for chimps to use rocks or sticks to kill. Usually, their fists are sufficient, because they usually gang up on the weaker males in groups, but they won't hesitate to use a rock if necessary. They kill to have more sex.

IMO, nature is a beautiful thing, but to ignore it's rampant violence and death is to see only half the picture. Every creature must eat, and many creatures choose to eat the flesh of other creatures. In fact, we're the only species that doesn't eat it raw exclusively, and devour raw blood as a matter of course.

I can only imagine how many creatures are eaten for food in our oceans each day. It has to number in the millions.

In some places, humans have no choice BUT to eat meat, like for instance; Eskimos and Inuets. Whale and seal blubber, and meat, as well as fish have kept them alive for thousands of years in their harsh climate, as well as provide clothing, fuel, shelter, tools, waterproof boots, boats to fish from, and many other useful items necessary for survival. We have no clue why they migrated there, but they may have fled for their lives at some point, and gone where no one would want to follow them because of the extreme cold. Who knows?? But, if not for meat and furs, we never would have known they had existed, because they would have all died the first year.


I have nothing against vegetarians, vegans, or anyone else as it pertains to their diet, but I just can't get upset about people eating meat if they choose to either, especially when comparing us to the rest of nature. We're just doing what most other creatures do as well, yet we like to call ourselves "civilized".

We still settle political and economic differences by slaughtering people by the thousands, hundreds of thousands and even millions; especially in the previous century. We invest billions of dollars into coming up with newer and better ways to kill more people more efficiently, and every American who pays taxes is partially responsible, along with everyone who casts a vote, or fails to do so.

I would rather we try to end the killing of one another then focus on how many fish or deer get eaten tomorrow. I seriously doubt that eating meat will ever go out of style completely.


I guess a good argument could be made that if we couldn't kill a deer or a fish that we wouldn't kill another human, but OTOH, not too far from where I live, people get murdered for a few bucks, a few hits of crack or smack, a car, territory, skin color, some clothes, or even over a woman nearly every night. (that would be Baltimore; one of the deadliest cities ion Earth).

[Erin Pavlina]

The difference is that in the wild a carnivorous animal hunts and kills to survive. But that's not how it is when humans go to a grocery store and buy chicken breast filets. Those chickens are enslaved, tortured, and raised to be a human's dinner and the human does not even need it to survive. The animal is not running around free seconds before it is slaughtered and then eaten. No. The animal is made to suffer terrible physical and emotional pain, sometimes for years, before it's time to put them on a dinner plate.

I wouldn't compare the two.

[Emilous]

Yes, I agree with you at this point Erin. And Hunting isn't what it used to be eighter, the strenght of a human and animal fighting for victory!
Today it's just a guy with a shotgun waiting on a safe tower and just pressing the trigger!

I agree that we have to slaughter animals to survive, and I can even agree that there should be farms with animals that we slaughter BUT problem is that it has just became a factory! I saw a film where there is a factory whit milions of little chicks and they are crowded, when I say crowded I mean SO CROWDED THAT they can't even turn around... And people let them leave in this conditions and if some of them die because lack of food or something else they just remove them and continue!
Also the food we make is more than enough what people need, I eat just to get rid of hunger but some people just eat and eat and eat and get FAT FAT, Mc Donalts for instance.... they make much more food that people need. And other people in africa might be starving.

I Really love animals and I give them bigger respect than I give to humans but we must understand the time we live in!
I really like buying a chicken in supermakret rather than having to go hunt it in the woods, I don't think many people would survive living like this. It's just the way we are going and let me tell you, it is the wrong direction!
It's just the way it is.