Post bodily death - choices

[AirBreather]

Hello...

I remember reading a blog entry off of Erin's site (forgot the exact title), where she suggests (through the experience of a dream) that people are offered a "choice" upon bodily death. That choice being continuation (via astral form, reincarnation, etc) or being "returned to Source" (negation of all forms of self = nothingness, etc).

It was also expanded upon how people who choose to believe that there is no life after death are, in a sense, 'pre-choosing' the negation choice.

Could you (Erin?) (and/or anybody else, of course) expand on this a bit more or point me to some literature in regards to this topic/choice or stances for/against the existence of said choice?

[AirBreather]

Eh? Anybody?

I'm asking this because I can find *nothing* that goes along with this concept... Everything else is about diffferent forms of eternal life and such.

Maybe this would get more coverage in the "Psychic & Paranormal" or "Spirituality, Consciousness, & Awareness" forums? Move it there if you think it would be for the best.

Cheers!

[openeyes]

The main book I know of that gets into this is one that I don't absolutely endorse, but can be interesting: Matrix V: Quest of the Spirit. It's not copying the Matrix movies as the first in the series actually came out over a decade before the movies. If you can read the material at the following link without seeing it as totally crazy, maybe you'd get something out of it.

Matrix V - Quest of the Spirit - The Ultimate Frontier - GOLD EDITION 2003

Part of what it details is that people who believe there is nothing after death will essentially experience nothing, like being in stasis, until their higher self retrieves them in reintegrates them into the rest of it's being. People who believe in a certain version of heaven or hell will go there, and not percieve any of the other versions available.

Meanwhile people who have a better understanding of the game will know they can go past that, going to an area akin to the "akashic records" some talk about for better further education, either going on their own or asking to be taken there, and eventually returning to their higher self as well.

Actually there is a more mainstream source of books that gets into this, the Monroe trilogy: Journeys out of the Body, Far Journeys, and Ultimate Journey by Robert Monroe. All three are treated as prerequisites of Matrix V, and may be easier to digest.

If I die and find myself conscious, I'll ask to be taken to Monroe level 27/the Library. It's difficult to really "prove" until going oneself.

[Erin Pavlina]

HI Airbreather,

The more I communicate with the deceased, the more I am learning about the crossing over process. I haven't read any of this information either. The first time I heard about it was in that dream that you read about in my blog entry. But as I've been going along, I'm finding that people who hold certain beliefs are sort of surprised when they arrive and need some time to see the truth of their situation.

If you find anyone else who has written about this let me know. I'd be interested in reading their take on it.

[Vanilla]

I haven't read this book...but I've heard about it...it's entitled, "23 Minutes In Hell" by Bill Weise. He claims he had a near death experience where he was taken to hell for 23 minutes, but allowed to come back. I'm not sure how factual it is, but it sounds interesting...

[DaveTyler]

I think that sounds like a load of crap. So if not EVERYONE GOT THE EXACT SAME VISION(which is completely impossible) of heaven we'll go to different heaven forever ?

[Vanilla]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

I think that sounds like a load of crap. So if not EVERYONE GOT THE EXACT SAME VISION(which is completely impossible) of heaven we'll go to different heaven forever ?

LOL...I don't know...but, I'm curious if anyone has read it...

[Mr.Mustache]

Originally Posted by openeyes

The main book I know of that gets into this is one that I don't absolutely endorse, but can be interesting: Matrix V: Quest of the Spirit. It's not copying the Matrix movies as the first in the series actually came out over a decade before the movies. If you can read the material at the following link without seeing it as totally crazy, maybe you'd get something out of it.

Matrix V - Quest of the Spirit - The Ultimate Frontier - GOLD EDITION 2003

Part of what it details is that people who believe there is nothing after death will essentially experience nothing, like being in stasis, until their higher self retrieves them in reintegrates them into the rest of it's being. People who believe in a certain version of heaven or hell will go there, and not percieve any of the other versions available.

Meanwhile people who have a better understanding of the game will know they can go past that, going to an area akin to the "akashic records" some talk about for better further education, either going on their own or asking to be taken there, and eventually returning to their higher self as well.

Actually there is a more mainstream source of books that gets into this, the Monroe trilogy: Journeys out of the Body, Far Journeys, and Ultimate Journey by Robert Monroe. All three are treated as prerequisites of Matrix V, and may be easier to digest.

If I die and find myself conscious, I'll ask to be taken to Monroe level 27/the Library. It's difficult to really "prove" until going oneself.

The channeled entity "Seth" from Seth Speaks said something similiar. You see your dreams are real, they exist in the "dream universe" (astral plane). When you die you create a little dream for yourself, if you expect hell you experience a self-inflicted hell or if you are expecting heaven you will experience a blissful dream. Guides enter the dream and explain what is really happening.

If you don't believe in an afterlife then Seth says that your consciousness will black out until you are, well not assimilated into your higher self but you realize your higher self. According to Seth consciousness cannot "die" or at least be forever dead. If you know all this before you die you simply have an OBE until some guides come along.

[DaveTyler]

Well thats seems a little absurd, how can you tell if that has already happened and this reality is that dream?:P
and what happens with "Oness consciousness" then?

[InJoy]

Originally Posted by Mr.Mustache

If you don't believe in an afterlife then Seth says that your consciousness will black out until you are, well not assimilated into your higher self but you realize your higher self.

Hm. Interesting. Actually, this take reflects a lot of what I personally believe. All except this part above, because I don't understand it.

How would one realize anything when in a blacked out state?

[DaveTyler]

I believe in reincarnation so I think youll be reborn immediatly...

[Elodawna]

It has been explained to me a little differently. When we die we go to a place called the "desire plane/s". We go there to "work" out those things in life we were attached to. Regrets, desires, people, events left unforgiven. etc. Eventually you finally become aware that you are in a sense "dreaming". Some people stay longer than others. And yes, for instance say that you took your own life. Most likely what you experience will be "hell". I cannot remember the movie, but it had Robin Williams in it and his wife committed suicide. He went to his "wife's hell" to retrieve her but could not. She had to come to terms with the decisions she had made on earth. My husband took his own life and had it rough going "on the other side" for a little while. It is really coming to an acceptance of the decisions that we made in life. Then once out of the desire plane you move on to the "Temple of Light" You get some healing of course! Kind of back to school again. More life review what different decisions could have been made again. Then when you are ready you meet with your Soul Council and make your plan and off you are again. I have been told that Lucid Dreaming is a very good practice to assist you with quick/er passage through the "Desire" planes. Practicing forgiveness and acceptance in daily living will assist also. Love and Light

[Mr.Mustache]

InJoy- I meant that you blackout and then either a guide "wakes" them up or they suddenly experience there higher being. Something like that I don't remember exactly I haven't read seth speaks for a while.

Elodawna- First, what I said before happens: guides find you and take you to (if you have had difficult life) an "astral hospital" so to speak, a place to rest and come to terms with your previous existence. There, people can relive parts of there life over. If someone committed suicide that person would relive (in a sort of lucid dream) that part of there life and change the ending, so the person can get over it. You also council with your guides and whoever to help you understand the lessons that can be gleaned from that life. Then when you are ready emotionally and accustomed to the "desire plan" or the astral plane (whatever you call it) you then reconnect with your higher self, past lives etc. etc.

Then if you have another physical incarnations planned or if you want another physical reincarnation you then decide what you want to learn and you get suggestions from wiser beings you plan your life experiences and embark to you new body. Of course there are many variations of this. You have absolute free-will you are not going to be forced to do any of it. You can take all the time you want or as little time as you want etc.

This is all according to the disincarnate seth of course.

[Mr.Mustache]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Well thats seems a little absurd, how can you tell if that has already happened and this reality is that dream?:P
and what happens with "Oness consciousness" then?

All of reality is technically a dream... The main set of ideas that comprise physical reality makes existence less spontaneous, it is still a dream though and you can leave anytime you want through astral projection.

There are obviously different realities that have a different framework of ideas. When you dream you are having a day-dream in astral reality. You go out of body every night you see. Obviously you are focused in physical reality and having a very intense day-dream. When you die you are no longer focused in your physical body and you enter astral reality.

You will always keep your identity. There is some sort of "oness" experience but its more like you are aware of your identity simultaneously with all others. You don't dissolve to a nebulous state between being and non-being.